Big Clones.....and air layers.....

[oti$]

How long did that take Otis? I would let it root another couple days 2-3 maybe. You will be surprised how many roots will show up.

That one is about 7 days...it's on a plant in the first week or two of flower. I was trying to get one off before buds started to set. I don't know how well roots would grow after week three and I also didn't want to have to lose time revegging the thing once potted. I'm about to air layer all of my bigger veg plants and I'll let them get nice and established since they don't have to go to 12/12 for 2-3 weeks. Air layering looks like it's going to be how I'll be getting everything fir my next few cycles as I can't seem to get shit to root in plugs& domes. I just this morning took the domes and a bunch of fresh cuttings home with me to seed if I could get them to root under a different roof.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Yeh I dont know about the air layering in flower thing yet. I showed a friend how to air layer and he did one on his third day of flower and it took.

But hell yes I ditched the plugs for cloning too. Much faster to air layer and get to flower. And no stress about being near my plant limit cause some clones wont make it. The police around here try to count unrooted cuts as plants if they are in plugs or a cloner. Even if they are yellow and laying down in the cloner and fuzzy with mold.

I will still keep the cloning stuff as a back up though. Like the other day I dropped a light on a new strain and broke it completely off a inch above the pot. Got four clones now haha. But other than crap like that I see no need for the other stuff.

Marlo glad it is working for you now. I will stick with the bottles for my clones but I can see where the plugs would be better for others.

 

[oti$]

I've been able to pull the limbs through the bottle neck pretty easily and I get nicer root balls with the bottles. I had a plant that, I guess I ground layered? Whem I repotted I buried the plant deep in the pot covering a couple lower limbs with coco that I first ringed and prepped. After a week or so I was able to stab son scissors into the coco near the main stalk and snip off th rooted branches.

 

[Marlo]

Marlo glad it is working for you now. I will stick with the bottles for my clones but I can see where the plugs would be better for others.

I've been able to pull the limbs through the bottle neck pretty easily ....

So yesterday I set an air layer on a plant and used the bottle method again, but this time I slid the limb thru the bottle neck and used the cloning puck as the bottom of the bottle. This was the easiest and most gentle method yet.

Damn Oti$, 7 days? That one looks great. I had less than half those roots after 2 weeks. Is that soil or coco?

 

[Budley Doright]

After a week or so I was able to stab some scissors into the coco near the main stalk and snip off the rooted branches.

Otis you are a genius...... this was exactly the experiment I wanted to do.....

air layering but then simply covered with medium....no rapid rooter...no bottles..... completely stealth......

Big thumbs up for your efforts.....

Ground layering I think is a good name for this....

 

[who dat is]

I love these threads. Good work Oti$.

"Ground Layering" You heard it here first folks.

 

[oti$]

I I'm in coco Marlo, I too was using a root plug at the bottom/bottle neck opening, but have dropped the plug because with damp coco the opening gets plugged up easily. My first round was'nt so great...I didn't use rooting hormone and I think I probably ringed them too deeply because I killed one and one took weeks to root. I've got it down now though. It's awesome to be able too start out with giant starts. Also, with a big mother, I have been able to pick limbs with multiple tips so I'm already ahead as far as multiple tops AND size. This method has really upped my veg game. Thanks guys

 

[Marlo]

Saw a few roots pop up on an air layer i set abt 2 weeks ago.
I'm nowhere near perfect on these, but its been a far better succes rate for me than cloning lately. Gonna keep at with this technique...

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Saw a few roots pop up on an air layer i set abt 2 weeks ago.
I'm nowhere near perfect on these, but its been a far better succes rate for me than cloning lately. Gonna keep at with this technique...

I have had some do it that late too. But then the roots came on fast after that. With in a couple days they looked like otises do above.

 

[sourpuss]

Hey guys looking good here. Anyone tried the coir and clingwrap method? Seems easy to apply and much lighter. Just curious...

 

[oti$]

I've done one this way^^ it's a pain in the ass for me. Bottle you tops have been the easiest. I'm so grateful for budley sharing this method...cloning has been just grudge fucking me lately. I'd be in trouble with out it.

 

[Budley Doright]

I dont want to break anyones bubble..... IMO successful cloning is closely associated with temps.....

Im quite anxious to see how cooler temps of winter effect air layering......

 

[Budley Doright]

Air layering mother plant...

Air layering mother plant...

This is just a mock up of my plans....

I plan to train my mother plants flat.... the main stem has been pinned to the soil out to the outside of the container....
then as they grow vertical.... to make some air layers....

But the idea is to not take the whole branch ... but to leave some vegetation below the air layer so the mom can regrow in a few weeks....

Im in the process of making 4 mother plants like this.....

But Im still a ways away from fully using this concept....

This plant would be almost big enough.....it has 12 rooter plugs where the air layers would be placed.....

For my needs a nice 9 inch air layer would be perfect....

ogkb 2.0

 

[Budley Doright]

I would like to give a big shout out to my friend ichabod crane..

Here is his idea of how to put air layering to work in your grows....

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=314837

great stuff.....

My favorite pic???? clone vs air layer..... lol

read the thread when you see the pic ....you will get it....

 

[Budley Doright]

Mr crane.... here is the screen I told you about....




I might call it a spreader screen...this is the same plant thats in post 298 above.....

Its 20 inches by 20 inches..... 9 of these will go under a 600 gavita...

This plant has 3 weeks until flowering... but no screen until then....

When I put on the screen I want to work the screen down as low as possible to allow the branches the widest reach....

In front I have a leg for support lashed on the screen with red phone wire.... My intent was to insert 4 legs into the medium and lash the legs onto the screen ...... however.....

I dont think I will use anything but the screen itself..... but Im unsure....

I will be doing this radical training to all plants...both mother plants and rotation plants.....

This should allow me to keep the plants very close to the gavita...and allow the light to run efficiently at 600 watts....

Its hard to tell...but the screen is about 6 inches from the top of the bucket.....

I expect the plants to finish under 36 inches..... with bucket..... 24 inches of plant.....

So yes alice you can use a gavita and not require 10 foot ceilings....

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Yes I think I might have been able to use one in my grow as well. My screen is only 14.5 inches off the floor.

 

[oti$]

I want to try out the gavita 750 flex. I may be able to pull out off with my low ceilings doing something similar. I've been wondering exactly how deep they penetrate the canopy so I know how tall I could veg. It's going to be a tight squeeze for me, but I think I'm going to try one after the holiday.

Here are my recent air layer transplants. Some are bigger than others, but all are bigger with more developed roots than the root riot cubes taken at the same time. My big valley og air layer wasn't rooting so I took two small ones...they are the ones still in wetter bottle tops. This really saved me. I've got my cloning game back in order, but with out air layering, I would not be pulling monthly harvests with6 footers as fast as I've been able to do. Thanks budley

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

there's lots more information in this thread than in all the other air layering threads combined! thanks for the info

i've got nothin new to add but i told the boss i'd post when i air layered again so .....

i had a girl i didn't have space for and decided to see if she would be nice enough to multiply. old school rapid rooters and some red plastic wrap were the weapons of choice because things are kinda tight in there and the red matches my eyes. there are only two branches that i didn't air layer on the plant and its only because they were too small. she looked kinda rough the first 24 hours but she is bouncing back just fine.




Merry Christmas fellas ...... tis the season to be cloning

 

[Budley Doright]

there are only two branches that i didn't air layer on the plant and its only because they were too small.

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I suspect if you had done the other 2 branches your plant would have died.....

In post 90 I airlayered the last remaining branch and the plant quickly died.....

Here is what I said when I started the experiment...


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It could die...... the roots of this plant no longer have food coming down the cambium....on its last branch.......

it may die....... I expect It might actually......but its truly an experiment on the basic science of air layering.....

Ive got some moms cooking....and they should be ready for some work....shortly after this experiment in 54 concludes....

If anyone has an opinion if this limb will die love to hear it.....

Im giving it 50\50 it will die in the 21 days of the experiment.....

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The plant died within a few days.....

In your case if you airlayer and ring all the limbs....none of the branches can feed the roots....and the plant will die.....

Leaving those 2 branches was an excellent idea....

Since I only did one experiment..... its not exactly proof ..... but I think you need at least some growth that hasnt been air layered to feed the roots....

 

[StankyBeamer]

Is putting an air layered transplant in a humidity dome or chamber completely necessary or will they survive just going straight into veg?