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Big Clones.....and air layers.....
- Thread starter Budley Doright
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Potato skin peeler 
Apical dominance.....
because Im growing on a screen......
most of my air layers will involve taking the center for the air layer.....
I expect this will have the effect of reducing apical dominance.....
because Im growing on a screen......
most of my air layers will involve taking the center for the air layer.....
I expect this will have the effect of reducing apical dominance.....
Here is a comparison of air layered penny wise at 15 days from the start of cloning to six plug cloned deathstar at 11 days from the start of cloning.
The penny wise plant when planted into a one gallon pot was 16 inch tall from the pots top. How much grow time will that save compared to the deathstar plug cuts. Granted the deathstar plugs are 3 days newer than the penny wise.
The penny wise plant when planted into a one gallon pot was 16 inch tall from the pots top. How much grow time will that save compared to the deathstar plug cuts. Granted the deathstar plugs are 3 days newer than the penny wise.
Damn... this shit actually works.
I made a bunch of these lil containers out of cut up water bottles, much like Ichabod's. I then started out by taking one of my GG4 moms and preppin a few sites on the plant for the layering. I ended up with 5 layering sites on my plant.
Within an hr, the 1st one I did was looking bad.. It was dead by morning. A second died the following day. At about a week, one brach was yellowing quite a bit, and drooping alot. There wasn't another yellow leaf on the entire plant. The next day she was looking really really bad, so I chopped off that branch. When I looked inside, I can see the stem was rotting from the bottom up ( probably bcuz my soil was too moist).... but there were 4 bright white roots coming out of the top. So I chopped off the stem and planted the rest of the branch in a cup of damp soil and put it under a dome. This morning it looked alot better. She might make it.
Finally last night on one of the 2 remaining air layered branches, I saw some roots running thru the soil
. Gonna give it a few more days. Hopefully the last one shows some roots soon also.
Next time, I need to be more gentle with the plant so the branches have a chance to survive, lol. And I definitely kept the soil way to moist. Live and learn.... I'm definitely gonna try this again. I think my success rate will be much much better.
Thanks Budley for this thread. And thanks to Ich for the pm's. Great work guys. Much appreciated
I made a bunch of these lil containers out of cut up water bottles, much like Ichabod's. I then started out by taking one of my GG4 moms and preppin a few sites on the plant for the layering. I ended up with 5 layering sites on my plant.
Within an hr, the 1st one I did was looking bad.. It was dead by morning. A second died the following day. At about a week, one brach was yellowing quite a bit, and drooping alot. There wasn't another yellow leaf on the entire plant. The next day she was looking really really bad, so I chopped off that branch. When I looked inside, I can see the stem was rotting from the bottom up ( probably bcuz my soil was too moist).... but there were 4 bright white roots coming out of the top. So I chopped off the stem and planted the rest of the branch in a cup of damp soil and put it under a dome. This morning it looked alot better. She might make it.
Finally last night on one of the 2 remaining air layered branches, I saw some roots running thru the soil
. Gonna give it a few more days. Hopefully the last one shows some roots soon also. Next time, I need to be more gentle with the plant so the branches have a chance to survive, lol. And I definitely kept the soil way to moist. Live and learn.... I'm definitely gonna try this again. I think my success rate will be much much better.
Thanks Budley for this thread. And thanks to Ich for the pm's. Great work guys. Much appreciated
I cant be sure.....but if I were to guess....when you ringed the limb....you took too much of the white core instead of the green cambium.....
I didnt go too deep on the stems. Barely exposed the white. More like really really really light green. I think I messed up with making the openings of the containers too small... I had all sorts of trouble getting em in there. Lotsa bruising during the install. By the 3rd one, I had it kinda figured out.
Next time will be better for sure.
Next time will be better for sure.
This is how I water the clone when I air layer it.
When I first put my coco on the branch I water it. Then the second watering happens two days after the roots appear. The third watering is the day after the second watering or two days after the second depending on how many roots are there. I try to keep it damp but a little dryer to make the plant stretch the roots out.
It has been my experience that the fourth water is not needed because the clone needs to be repotted by then. Slower rooting clones may need the fourth or fifth watering. If they do just keep it on the dryer side.
On a side note I have had success with green and clear bottle when rooting.
When I first put my coco on the branch I water it. Then the second watering happens two days after the roots appear. The third watering is the day after the second watering or two days after the second depending on how many roots are there. I try to keep it damp but a little dryer to make the plant stretch the roots out.
It has been my experience that the fourth water is not needed because the clone needs to be repotted by then. Slower rooting clones may need the fourth or fifth watering. If they do just keep it on the dryer side.
On a side note I have had success with green and clear bottle when rooting.
I have found that a looser fit is best as well. I dont really think it is best to have it air tight. My thinking is that it stops any fresh air from getting to the roots.
Another thing I have noticed with the bottles is that the roots dont circle the bottle like in a pot. They tend to go straight down or almost straight down to the bottle bottom. Yesterday I cut a air layered plant down and the roots looked like a package of spaghetti. All the roots were overlapping and straight. Wish I would have taken a picture.
So.... finally I have a few plants to air layer..... gg4....
Im doing something a little different these 4 plants are nice and bushy...... they will be put on a screen.....so Im removing about 10 or 12 inches from the middle of the plant....
once this is removed it will leave about 8 branches all more or less the same size around the plant.... perfect to put on a screen.....
I have about 2 weeks until these will be moved under the scrog net..... either way rooted or not..... this material will be removed on 22 oct.....
more then...... happy airl layering....
Im doing something a little different these 4 plants are nice and bushy...... they will be put on a screen.....so Im removing about 10 or 12 inches from the middle of the plant....
once this is removed it will leave about 8 branches all more or less the same size around the plant.... perfect to put on a screen.....
I have about 2 weeks until these will be moved under the scrog net..... either way rooted or not..... this material will be removed on 22 oct.....
more then...... happy airl layering....
oti$
Active member
I got my first air layer to root. Of the original three, this one turned out the best. I didn't use rooting hormone on these and it took longer to root than what I've seen here. I think I ringed one to deep and, along with the coco being too wet, it caused one to die off petty quick. Another is pretty bad looking, but it has roots and is still alive. I have not cut that one yet, I want to get a good root system established first. I'm doing some more with rooting hormone and less moisture. I'm glad I'm getting these to work because this chem cross is giving me a headache trying to get clones to root.
I cant wait to see what you can do once you have some 'practice'.....
HerBnGorE(illa)
Member
I've had great success with air layering. Never going back to cloning. Not that I didn't have success with cloning, but with cloning it seemed my clones went through an unhealthy phase and lost leaves. This way there is no drop in health.
Lightly scratching it won't work. You have to remove more material than that, all the way down to the white latyer all the way around the branch. I had a bunch of failed attempts this summer from not going deep enough on the branch.
Intimea
Active member
Great advice.
I was scared about scratching too much.
In your opinion, I'd better wait to see if it works (maybe 2 weeks) or try to make it better?
Let me make a suggestion.....
Remove a branch from somewhere.....
ANd practice on it first......
You will find a green layer first then pretty white......
You must ring the plant.....cutting thru that green cambium layer for it to root.....
If you dont do that it will take forever....if ever......
Practicing with a branch using reading glasses will give you a good look at what must be done......
Remove a branch from somewhere.....
ANd practice on it first......
You will find a green layer first then pretty white......
You must ring the plant.....cutting thru that green cambium layer for it to root.....
If you dont do that it will take forever....if ever......
Practicing with a branch using reading glasses will give you a good look at what must be done......
How long did that take Otis? I would let it root another couple days 2-3 maybe. You will be surprised how many roots will show up.
ExEcutioner
Member
thanks, did the plastic bag thing. zip tied the partially cut bottom of ziploc. peat with ph'd water lil molasses and most importantly included hydogen peroxide.
