Arjans Haze #2 - V-Scrog tryout!

[Smeden]

Things are looking awsome

How are the LED lamps working for you?
They screw in like a typical bulb socket?

I wonder if I can find the data for what spectrum of light is needed that i can build my own and mount them on the side and top walls of a 4 ft cube area (4 feet = 1.2192 meters)... But thats just me dreaming now

Hi there.

Its hard for me to say weater the leds are working or not, as I have no previous led grows experience. But there deffinetly is a big difference towards my last grow with 400 w hps for veg. I dont know if its the 600 watt mh that makes the wonder or the leds, but my plants are this time ultra tight. Theres only 1½-2 cm between each set of new shots on the main stalk. At my 400 hps it was more like 10 cm between each.

Yup they fit a E27 socket - mine run on 110 volt, but I have seen 220 volts, but more expensive.

Your idea sounds great, just start keeping an eye on www.ebay.com for led grow bulbs, and buy if you find the right bulbs for you. It rewards to spend some time studiying where to find cheapest. I gave 140 dollars for mine 8, but think today you can find it cheaper, if you are willing to watch and be patient.

Cheers and good luck

 

[Drakester]

I have been researching adn found sites like

http://www.ledgrowlights.com/growing-with-leds.htmhttp://www.ledgrowlights.com/growing-with-leds.htm

where they say it can be done so to speak. But the amount of bulbs i would need would be very expensive at this stage of the game.

I have found some places that make 'strips' and 'panels' of blue/red LEDs ... maybe i can find a few of those... who knows.

 

[esbe]

checkin in! how could i miss my dane bro! looks nice and interesting bro!

 

[Smoking Gun]

Good evening.

Thanks for the information to you both. So you think I should feed them 6,5 ph? then I will try tomorrow on feeding day. I heard from a friend that they really can take a lot of nutrients, so im pretty excited to see how far I can go when I step up under flower. My flower nutrients will be made of mix of RO and tapwater to about 100 ppm (to get some of the "needed" good minerals that RO doesnt let through). Then I will start at about 1400 ppm and step up 100 until 1700 and from 1700 I will step up 50 ppm each watering. Till I find my plants max nutrients intake (first sign on overnutes and I will flush and step 100 down and stay there)

Well heres a pic of the scrog net I just mounted. Now I just need the girls to streeeeetch.

Cheers

Hey Smeden, two things I am noticing. First is that you are saying you will put tap water in your feedings. I wouldn't. Although it may replace some needed nutrients, there is very likely chlorine in your tap water which would be very bad for your set up. I am not sure if you are going organic, but if you are then NEVER put tap water into your system. The chlorine is really bad for the roots and could potentially kill your plants, or at best diminish your results.

The second thing I noticed is that you put mylar up in front of the white plastic (thats what it is right). The white plastic is actually more effective than the mylar. The mylar is not only less reflective, but the the light is refracted more than reflected. You were doing great with the white plastic.

The net looks great, and once those plants hit the net they will bend and really explode with branches. Excited to see how they turn out.

 

[Smeden]

Hi again.

- Esbe - I certainly welcomes you, nice to have your eyes watching...

- Smoking Gun
As matter of the water: My tap water has 410 ppm from the tap. And I know for a fact if I use 100% RO water, my plants will need some of the minerals the RO takes away. So I was thinking of mixing to get little of minerals, but also as you said chlorine. But I only used tapwater in my first grow, which gave me about 0,9-1,0 grams per watts - and If i mix tap and Ro now, I will get only about 25% of the chlorine, where in my first grow i went on 100% tap water. So I see this as a GOOD thing.

About the Mylar, I have always heard that mylar is a little better than white plastic. But sounds like you know what you are talking about. But It will be too much work to take down now, after the scrog is up. So if i remove again, it will be after this grow.

I really hope that they will explode like you say, and I think they ar partly exploting allready.

The plants have between 14-18 shots on the main stalk now, and the fastest plants allready have up to 10 shots on each main shots. So I think that my LST has done its job...?

Have a nice day everybody

 

[ICETOKER]

Smoking gun: I use tap water with great results.....remember that we are in denmark which has quite good water imho. And if you must be picky then let the water sit overnight as most of the chlorine will evaporate!!!!

Smeden: Take it easy with the ro thing and focus on the scrogging. And the plants won´t bend when they hit the net, YOU bend them under when they reach through the net. Leave the mylar in place as it does the job....

take it easy

icetoker

 

[Smoking Gun]

So Ice Toker and Smeden, I have gone back and done a little more research. Here is the deal with white plastic over Mylar. The Mylar is 98% reflective, where as the white plastic is around 90% reflective. But although the Mylar is more reflective, that is only in the strongest spots. Mylar has a tendency to have wrinkles and creases and other imperfections causing the light to travel on refracted paths. The white plastic will reflect more light right back at the lights and with a more uniform reflection. There are other advantages to white plastic over Mylar. First, the plastic is much easier to work with than the Mylar. You also get more bang for your buck with the plastic. Also the Mylar is not 100% opaque, and therefore lets light through it where as the plastic is 100% opaque.

As for the tap water, I am glad you guys were able to grow with tap water. I have actually used tap water in an emergency, and I will never do it again. The chlorine made the plant so unhappy, and even in the end result, the chlorine effected potency and flavor. Maybe it was more than just the chlorine, but I will never use straight tap water again. Also the chlorine kills the living microbeasties in an organic set-up, and to me anything other than organics is sub par.

One way to really make your plants really explode with growth is to trim the very bottom branches. Without them on the plant the nutrients and sugars go right to the top branches and focuses the plants energy on making those branches strong and big.

 

[Smeden]

Hi again

Thanks to both of you for your comments.

Smoking Gun - yes I can follow you on the mylar part, but I have always heard that mylar was a bit better. But yes as i think you write: the mylar does not hang "straight", its like you say, some of the beams goes straigt up = mylar reflection doesnt hit the plants as good, cause the reflection reflects in many direction. Hope you can see what I mean, and its bit like the way you mean.

My tapwater has 410-450 ppm from the tap. And its an unknown problem in Denmark. Sorry to hear its different at your place.

I am planning to trim the buttom in 1 - 2 weeks. And Icetokers friend would like some cuts from it, so yes I will take the shots off thats placed the lowest parts of the plants.

Icetoker - hmm, yes Im taking it easy. But it will make no harm to use RO+tapwater (in flower) it will give me the option to replace the saved 150-300 ppm throug RO - and give those 150-300 ppm to Nutrients instead.
It should also help a little when all chlorine and etc. is gone. So Icetoker if you really think I shouldt do it, then tell me one more time... or that we can discuss the day you get the cuts from the plants. Shall we say sometime next week?

Cheers to ya all

 

[ICETOKER]

Lol.... i did´t mean drop the ro....just to continue doing what you´we been doing with the water and start weaving the bud-carpet....lol. And yes i will most definetly come to visit next week You are doing a great job my friend........13 tal

peace to all mankind.....
icetoker

 

[Ludo]

Looking great Smeden......Respect.....cant wait till you start scrogging.....it look very promising...!!!! Please check you Pm at DCF ;o)
And yes we are very lucky to have the tapwater we do here in Denmark, it saves us some trouble in purifying or what is nessecery??(don't know-osmosis or??) but hey......would trade that any day for your summer!!!!!

 

[greekguy]

mylar vs white flat: 2-1

diamond mylar vs white flat 3-0

dont know what diamond mylat is? -check my grow

i would definately lower the 600w- the outer plants are not getting enough

or even better i would gather all pots in center under it-as long as 1 doesnt block the other, light distribution is the alpha and the omega.(+lower it a bit )

good luck mate!

 

[Smeden]

Hi there.

Thx both of you - and good luck 2 u 2

Greekguy - I can see that the outer plants doesnt get as much as the one in center, but each outer plant has its own 2 x led bulbs, plus its 70 cm away from the 2 x 600 watt bulbs. So I think its best to wait and get the carpet wooven. The plants has to be in their wanted position now. And about the 2x600 bulbs, the reflector was lowered just after fitting it all, so I must have taken pictures just before lowering. Facts are, that the 2xmh has 35 cm to the center plant, and 70 cm to the outer plants.

Your last suggestion about gathering the pots, I also have been thinking abut. But the space is no narrow, so I wont be able take cuts and watering will be a problem for some of the plants also. So I just figured out that, it would be best to "close my eyes" for the holes where the light is waisted, just wait 1 week, and I think there will be 60-80% full scrog net, so the period will not be long.

Have a supreeeme weekend

 

[ICETOKER]

Yes dont move the pots, they are fine as they are. I agree with you about waiting for one week....they sure grow fast up there smeden...heheheheh booom....remember!! I can´t wait to come next week..........wooohooooo!!!

fantastic weekend from icetoker!!!!!! stay safe and high!!

 

[vindiesel]

nice! looking good...

 

[Smeden]

Good evening, and for you on the other side... morning.

Hope you all enjoy it being weekend again

Heres a pic from today

And some White Widow from my first grow

Here grindet WW and the tobacco from 1 prince fine cut

Mix'it

Roll'it

Puff'it

Pass'it

Expecting the curtains to close within 7½ minute, good nite and good weekend

 

[guest101]

Yeah man.. Widow smoke here toooo hehehe
Looking great!!

Remember when i said you should pop all the beans... now you would be allmost, if not, in time to triger them!
Lets see how it goes...

Peace and smoke on!!

 

[Smoking Gun]

Good evening, and for you on the other side... morning.

Hope you all enjoy it being weekend again

Heres a pic from today

So from this picture it really looks like those LEDs are helping. Those plants seem to be growing at a faster rate. I am really excited to see those kind of results.

 

[Smeden]

_frankenstein_ - Hi again. Yup I remember... and yes im also there now, where I would like to switch to Bloom right now. But I must stand tall, and wait. Think I will wait til about next weekend. And yes If I had popped them all, the screen would be fuller now. But also exciting to see if 5 plants can do just as good, but maybe with 2 weeks more veg.

Smoking Gun - I would love if your right. But factum is that, I was a bit clumsy when I was training center plant. So I accidently topped her. So think its because she has been at a "stop growing" for a couple days, caused by the topping. But yeah maybe your right. I have not moved the plants since the scrog net came up. So yes the outer plants have become more buschy than the centerplants.

12/2-08

15/2-08

But again, the growth on the outer plants still could be caused by the topping, and again again the topping was about 7-8 days ago, so should be over... Will be easier to see in a few days... Lets meanwhile hope and SMOKE

 

[Smoking Gun]

Smeden, I didn't realize the middle one had an accident, and yes, that could be why it is growing a little slower. Either way, this is a really interesting grow. I thank you for sharing this with the rest of us.

 

[Smeden]

Hehe, nice. thx.

And I thank you for looking by and commenting... our discussions and advices to eachother is what makes it funny being here and sharing.

The accident was 8-9 days ago, so it also might be the led bulbs whos doing a good job. The outer plants has been growing faster the last 3-4 days than the center, so im about 50/50 weather its caused by accident or the leds are good... But if it continues this way, we will be able to say that the leds are doing some good for the plants.

Cheers