mark6699331
Active member
Let us know about the meter. And check and see if the roots are brown or white. It sure looks like a burn to me.
good luck
mark
good luck
mark
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kovenant
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im still at work - but after 6pm ill be able to check and report back.
i mixed using AN's chart for connoisseur "moderately-light feeding" for bloom... and mixed just under what it asked (for instance, connoisseur A says to mix 7.88 fl oz to 40 gal.... i mixed 7.)
it shows the total ppm of their suggested use at 1133 (and mine added up, like i said in the 600s, BUT i dont use all their regime, maybe 1/3 of them.) but.. ill calibrate it when i get home.
the meter i have is the Milwaukee SM801 by the way
i just added nematodes to my system yesterday evening too... if i dont have to drain/flush it again (just did it 6 days ago) then id rather not. but obviously if i need to i will. first thing is going to be checking the meter... dont know why i hadnt in the first place - thnx guys
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also, wouldnt overfeeding affect new growth? the new growth is a great lime-medium green on the new stalks and leaves - and have got nearly an 1" a day over the past 5 days. let me know your thoughts
i mixed using AN's chart for connoisseur "moderately-light feeding" for bloom... and mixed just under what it asked (for instance, connoisseur A says to mix 7.88 fl oz to 40 gal.... i mixed 7.)
it shows the total ppm of their suggested use at 1133 (and mine added up, like i said in the 600s, BUT i dont use all their regime, maybe 1/3 of them.) but.. ill calibrate it when i get home.
the meter i have is the Milwaukee SM801 by the way
i just added nematodes to my system yesterday evening too... if i dont have to drain/flush it again (just did it 6 days ago) then id rather not. but obviously if i need to i will. first thing is going to be checking the meter... dont know why i hadnt in the first place - thnx guys
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also, wouldnt overfeeding affect new growth? the new growth is a great lime-medium green on the new stalks and leaves - and have got nearly an 1" a day over the past 5 days. let me know your thoughts
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G
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Ummmmm...the charts can be good but I ignore them and use a meter. You're mixing Grow and Coni and a few other products so where does that fit into a chart...use the meter. First add your fixed products like CalMag, Carbo Load and whatever and adjust the EC with the Sensi and Coni stuff but come in low as your pH adjustment, last step, will increase the EC.
BTW...that's a nice meter...
. The ppm conversion AN uses on their charts is different than the ratio of my meter :wink:.Herbsman_OS
Member
What's up Kovenant,
I do hydro and I've also grown TW for several cycles. I don't have a PPM meter or even worry about it.
One thing I do know that when I've encountered situations such as yours, I flush the system with water, then drain and refill with a new batch of nutrients, and maintain the Ph.
I've noticed several differences in the opinions of the Ph for TW, however, I've had ample success with the 6.0-6.5, with 6.3 being the ideal range. The maintaining of your Ph level and of your tub's nutrient levels (meaning making sure your tubs are topped off), is a major factor with regards to success for your plants when growing in Hydro.
What you can aslo do too, is to make a foiler spray and spray your babies down. I use Superthirve. Just need a drop or two into a spray bottle and shake. I use a foiler spray during Veg into Flowering, and stop right as the buds start to appear. I spray daily and my babies like it.
In reference to flushing, I just barley started using ClearX, and I'm using it to flush prior to harvest. But what I was told at the Hydro store in layman's terms is that ClearX will help flush out the remaining nutrients and salt buildup more efficiently than just plain water.
So, since your experiencing a nutrient deficiency, then based on what I just stated above, ClearX would be a great help. However, from my experience, you'll be fine if you just used water.
If your inexperienced using Hydro and you want an easy to use nutrient system, then I'd suggest looking into the brand Super Veg A&B and Super Bloom A&B. It's a simple two part system. I've used this product for quite sometime now because it works well.
Hope this is helpful for you.
--Herbsman_OS
I do hydro and I've also grown TW for several cycles. I don't have a PPM meter or even worry about it.
One thing I do know that when I've encountered situations such as yours, I flush the system with water, then drain and refill with a new batch of nutrients, and maintain the Ph.
I've noticed several differences in the opinions of the Ph for TW, however, I've had ample success with the 6.0-6.5, with 6.3 being the ideal range. The maintaining of your Ph level and of your tub's nutrient levels (meaning making sure your tubs are topped off), is a major factor with regards to success for your plants when growing in Hydro.
What you can aslo do too, is to make a foiler spray and spray your babies down. I use Superthirve. Just need a drop or two into a spray bottle and shake. I use a foiler spray during Veg into Flowering, and stop right as the buds start to appear. I spray daily and my babies like it.
In reference to flushing, I just barley started using ClearX, and I'm using it to flush prior to harvest. But what I was told at the Hydro store in layman's terms is that ClearX will help flush out the remaining nutrients and salt buildup more efficiently than just plain water.
So, since your experiencing a nutrient deficiency, then based on what I just stated above, ClearX would be a great help. However, from my experience, you'll be fine if you just used water.
If your inexperienced using Hydro and you want an easy to use nutrient system, then I'd suggest looking into the brand Super Veg A&B and Super Bloom A&B. It's a simple two part system. I've used this product for quite sometime now because it works well.
Hope this is helpful for you.
--Herbsman_OS
mark6699331
Active member
No new growth generally show burn last. The bigger nutes that most often burn are nitrogen, and less likey potassium and phosphorus. They show up on the fan leaves first ususally bottom up. The micros are top down, new growth first. Most likely there are sulfur, magnesium, and calcium. Calcium moves really slow through a plant. I suggest a calmag foliar to clear those up. If that doesn't do it, its most likely sulfur.
I usually go 1/2 strength on the nutes to be safe. Even at 1/2 strength general hydro comes in at 800-1000ppm. I've seen my meter drift up to 400-500ppm. I've actually had three probes go out on me this year and i regularly clean the electrodes and always store in storage solution. Never let the probes dry out.
Hope that helps. I say flush check the meter and roots-go from there.
mark
I usually go 1/2 strength on the nutes to be safe. Even at 1/2 strength general hydro comes in at 800-1000ppm. I've seen my meter drift up to 400-500ppm. I've actually had three probes go out on me this year and i regularly clean the electrodes and always store in storage solution. Never let the probes dry out.
Hope that helps. I say flush check the meter and roots-go from there.
mark
kovenant
Member
alright. i think there's some confusion... and its either on my part or some of yours 
(this is why i asked if you might visit the link in my signature to read back for a few days - or a week or so - to see whats been happening so i dont have to print a novel here and hijack the thread! lol
Mountain --> ill do this, but first want to calibrate the meter to see just what the current solution is measuring in at for pH and ppm. also, kind of wondering (or guessing) that if i drain/flush my system that the nematodes i just loaded into it will be totally gone and ill have to order and throw in a new batch (i've had the beginning of an infestation of root aphids that ive just thrown some pesticide, neem, and then most recently - yesterday - nematodes at.)
Herbsman_OS --> is it nutrient deficiency? i thought it was myself (phosphorus and magnesium seemed to be the culprits of my self-diagnosis based off a thread in the infirmary... i talk about it in my grown link, in my sig.) but the consensus here is overfeeding... so first thing im doing is calibrating the meter when i get home and see what i find. each time ive flushed for a day or two, i see vigorous growth and improvement... adding nutes has been a problem - so obviously i am either burning them by overfeeding, OR my pH is grossly off from what its reporting and in need of calibration - maybe causing a nute lock or deficiency due to pH level (and i mean that by... if my pH is reading 5.8 but really is 4.1 or 8.3 or something...)
mark6699331 --> my top (new) growth is great. the 4-5" that have grown in the past 5 days look healthy as can be. the older fan leaves are the problem. 5 days ago i flushed after getting burns i thought were deficiency - i had mixed too much of my Cal Mg and was told it may have locked out one or more of the macro-nutes... after flushing i also trimmed the burned and yellowed leaves off the bottom - many were falling off to the touch, and werent wilted, just yellowed.) so the new pics are new burn, and somewhat different (had some browning around the edges before, like now - but now i am not getting yellowing the entire leaves.)
i will definately be calibrating soon as i can get in there. from there ill flush if the levels seem weird... probably post here as soon as i get the results from calibrating to see if thats the culprit - before i do anything else. (about 3-4 hrs from now.) again, if i have to drain/flush i will - just wish i hadnt mixed in the nematodes last night. also... could it be pest? seems like its definately nute related based off the burn... either overfeed or deficiency. you are were asking what my roots look like. here's a picture from 6 days or so ago...
most look like this:
the infected roots (1 plant mainly - this one) are now cleared up of the aphids and are white with a small amount of brown that look more like nute solution on them)
heres a pic from yesterday that shows the bottom adn top of one plant (this is actually the plant that had the infestation of root aphids) to show an overview of what each looks like:
the guide here im referring to is The Complete Guide to Sick Plants and both the phosphorus & magnesium deficiencies sound and look like what my plants are experiencing. (not saying i necessarily think thats what it is... hell, i obviously have no idea. lol)
i mean - doesnt this pic look alot like my girls (save they arent indica)?? browned to tan from the tips and around the edges... tips curling UP and facing upward?
and this ones mine
im sure alot of burns look very similar - so im asking
(this is why i asked if you might visit the link in my signature to read back for a few days - or a week or so - to see whats been happening so i dont have to print a novel here and hijack the thread! lolMountain --> ill do this, but first want to calibrate the meter to see just what the current solution is measuring in at for pH and ppm. also, kind of wondering (or guessing) that if i drain/flush my system that the nematodes i just loaded into it will be totally gone and ill have to order and throw in a new batch (i've had the beginning of an infestation of root aphids that ive just thrown some pesticide, neem, and then most recently - yesterday - nematodes at.)
Herbsman_OS --> is it nutrient deficiency? i thought it was myself (phosphorus and magnesium seemed to be the culprits of my self-diagnosis based off a thread in the infirmary... i talk about it in my grown link, in my sig.) but the consensus here is overfeeding... so first thing im doing is calibrating the meter when i get home and see what i find. each time ive flushed for a day or two, i see vigorous growth and improvement... adding nutes has been a problem - so obviously i am either burning them by overfeeding, OR my pH is grossly off from what its reporting and in need of calibration - maybe causing a nute lock or deficiency due to pH level (and i mean that by... if my pH is reading 5.8 but really is 4.1 or 8.3 or something...)
mark6699331 --> my top (new) growth is great. the 4-5" that have grown in the past 5 days look healthy as can be. the older fan leaves are the problem. 5 days ago i flushed after getting burns i thought were deficiency - i had mixed too much of my Cal Mg and was told it may have locked out one or more of the macro-nutes... after flushing i also trimmed the burned and yellowed leaves off the bottom - many were falling off to the touch, and werent wilted, just yellowed.) so the new pics are new burn, and somewhat different (had some browning around the edges before, like now - but now i am not getting yellowing the entire leaves.)
i will definately be calibrating soon as i can get in there. from there ill flush if the levels seem weird... probably post here as soon as i get the results from calibrating to see if thats the culprit - before i do anything else. (about 3-4 hrs from now.) again, if i have to drain/flush i will - just wish i hadnt mixed in the nematodes last night. also... could it be pest? seems like its definately nute related based off the burn... either overfeed or deficiency. you are were asking what my roots look like. here's a picture from 6 days or so ago...
most look like this:
the infected roots (1 plant mainly - this one) are now cleared up of the aphids and are white with a small amount of brown that look more like nute solution on them)
heres a pic from yesterday that shows the bottom adn top of one plant (this is actually the plant that had the infestation of root aphids) to show an overview of what each looks like:
the guide here im referring to is The Complete Guide to Sick Plants and both the phosphorus & magnesium deficiencies sound and look like what my plants are experiencing. (not saying i necessarily think thats what it is... hell, i obviously have no idea. lol)
i mean - doesnt this pic look alot like my girls (save they arent indica)?? browned to tan from the tips and around the edges... tips curling UP and facing upward?
and this ones mine
im sure alot of burns look very similar - so im asking
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G
Guest
Thanx for responding personally. As for root aphids PM S4vvy here as I remember him dealing with them some time back...if that's what they are. Don't worry about flushing a little money down the drain as that's better than losing everything.
G
Guest
Burning will show up in older growth. New growth sounds great and seems everything is OK. Is the burn problem progressing? Could be it right there.
Only thing I can tell ya regarding nute strength is we got some TW, seemed legit start to finish, from a club and it was just as sensitive as Kali Mist. That TW was trash. An EC of 1.1 is almost nothing.
mark6699331
Active member
Looks exactly like nute burn to me. Looks like the flush cured it up. New growth is good. I wouldn't worry.
mark
mark
kovenant
Member
yeah. cleared up nicely. tons of new growth. took a few flower shots this morning with the camera phone - will get some good macros with my SLR camera when i get a chance soon.
i think i may be catching on to how my system works, as well as the how and why to the things ive been experiencing. i documented it on my grow if you're interested, or want to give me feedback!
i then have this question for all you tw growers. my stems are nice and green. but my fan leaves have purplish stems. i orginally had some purple on my stems in veg, but once i got my pH down - they greened up, and have been green since. ive been noticing the purple on the fan leaves though - and im uncertain whether they've always been purple, or if the purple is perhaps the first sign of some deficiency. im schedule for a flush and remix of solution soon - so it could very well be. interested on what you guys (and girls) may have to say about it:
thanks!
i think i may be catching on to how my system works, as well as the how and why to the things ive been experiencing. i documented it on my grow if you're interested, or want to give me feedback!
i then have this question for all you tw growers. my stems are nice and green. but my fan leaves have purplish stems. i orginally had some purple on my stems in veg, but once i got my pH down - they greened up, and have been green since. ive been noticing the purple on the fan leaves though - and im uncertain whether they've always been purple, or if the purple is perhaps the first sign of some deficiency. im schedule for a flush and remix of solution soon - so it could very well be. interested on what you guys (and girls) may have to say about it:
thanks!
G
Guest
Purple leaf stems are a genetic characteristic of TW.
Don't sweat it, let it ride
Don't sweat it, let it ride
Sauron The Blue
Member
hey kov glad to see the ph adjustment corrected the stems as we pointed out, you may want to try a light foliar feed on the plants at some point to see if it corrects the purpling leaf stems. I find an all around foliar fert, or something like sugar daddy from technaflora (got some samples from owner at a trade show and they worked great, might want to take a look into some of their sugar daddy product if you get some spare time and its stocked at your local hydro store) would clear up the stems within a day or so and let ya know if it is underfeeding or a "genetic characteristic" .. There are plenty of alternative foliar feeding mixes and schedules available if ya take a quick search on here
good luck fixing em, hope you get a bunch of lush green growth for all your hard work, the plants thank you!
There are plenty of alternative foliar feeding mixes and schedules available if ya take a quick search on heregood luck fixing em, hope you get a bunch of lush green growth for all your hard work, the plants thank you!
G
Guest
Ive smoked the Arcata Trainwreck. Good smoke, but not nearly as good as some of you make it out to be. It was above average for sure though.
kovenant
Member
Sauron The Blue -> aye, glad it cleared up for me too! lol i just mixed up a foliar spray and been using about an hour before lights go back on. RO water with a bit of Liquid Karma & AN Pirahna.
ShaolinBushido -> everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions - and, as we all know, every strain has its characteristics that appeal to some people. i personally believe that tw is a great sativa strain for medical. for some its too much. for some its mediocre. i can, however, say without much doubt that - as it goes for all strains - it also depends greatly on the growing conditions (indoor, outdoor, hydro, soil, organic, nute mixes, addatives, etc) as well as the harvesting, curing, and trimming methods that make for a good smoke. id say its very possible to have smoked some mediocre trainwreck - or any potent strain. for many who have had a broad experience with trainwreck... the experience is usually positive
ShaolinBushido -> everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions - and, as we all know, every strain has its characteristics that appeal to some people. i personally believe that tw is a great sativa strain for medical. for some its too much. for some its mediocre. i can, however, say without much doubt that - as it goes for all strains - it also depends greatly on the growing conditions (indoor, outdoor, hydro, soil, organic, nute mixes, addatives, etc) as well as the harvesting, curing, and trimming methods that make for a good smoke. id say its very possible to have smoked some mediocre trainwreck - or any potent strain. for many who have had a broad experience with trainwreck... the experience is usually positive
professordank
Member
Got to smoke some arcata TW last month. Not mindboggling, but still very potent. Also got to smoke some kind of afgani TW cross; the afgani added a little umph in the body high aspect, but still very cerebral.
Dr. G
Active member
hello everyone i got a seed outa my bag of TW that was grown in humbolt but i got it in ohio at hookahville
its exactally like the bud i smoked
i was just wondering do think this is a ibl TW from hermie or stray pollen and is a hybrid?
she got alittle heat stressed but no male flowers
its exactally like the bud i smoked
i was just wondering do think this is a ibl TW from hermie or stray pollen and is a hybrid?
she got alittle heat stressed but no male flowers
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WaT iT Do?
one of my all time favs..... great thread!
G
Guest
Not trying to burst your bubble but TW can never be an IBL as it's clone only basically. Some people somewhere are holding some seeds though. TW bagseed is from a hermie or got pollinated by something else. I know there is at least one TW cut going around that hermies very easily. If the girl you got didn't hermie, even under heat stress, that's a good thing.
