any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[TheBioMaster]

hey guys! ive been sitting on a sample of v+b for a couple months and just decided to give it a try in my veg tent. im running coco and a 4' 8bulb t5 unit. this is my first t5 and man are they warm! i cant seal my tent and run my co2 because it gets in the 90's with all 8 bulbs on lol.

anyways, what ppm's should i be running for veg? i went with the directed 1/4 tsp and with drip clean and rapid start my ppms only hit 345ppm. i added about 1/2-3/4 teaspoon more to my 10 gal of nutes to bump it up a bit. i havent checked the ppms yet. i saw all the talk about the ppm and ec conversion and i am unfamiliar with all that. i have a hanna 3 way meter. the ph meter on it is bad but i think the others are fine.

If you go back and read through this thread there are some post which describe the different dosages/levels of nutrient solution that should help you greatly. And several of the guys here have all used it as well and following there examples on usage amounts is a good idea.

Just a FYI, when you run high levels of C02, you want to raise the temps to about 85F to 90F.........

Wait until 30 minutes after lights come on, and then start your C02 generator......this 30 minutes of lights on allows the stomata to open fully, and jacking up C02 levels BEFORE the stomata opens fully, will actually prevent the stomata from opening up all the way and slow growth down instead of speeding it up.

You want to match the EC/PPM levels of your solution with your c02 levels......i.e. your running 1200ppm, then run at least 1200ppm of c02.......this is a good "guide line" to tweaking your C02 to proper levels.

AFTER all other aspects of your environment have been tweaked to perfection....THEN you can begin to jack the C02 levels to 2 or even 3 times of what the EC/PPM levels are.

It is important to use the C02 properly to avoid wasting it, and more importantly to avoid hindering your plant's growth and health......most C02 users go straight to the part about jacking up levels 2 and 3 times of what the EC/PPM levels are......if all other parts of your grow on NOT dead on accurate and "dialed-in" then really anything over like 800 to 1000PPM's of C02 is a total waste IMO..........for your plants to be able to utilize that much C02 and more, you must understand that your plants MUST be a perfect picture of health. And your environment must also be a perfect picture of perfect conditions in relation to the strain type.

Cheers!

 

[Grizz]

^ now that the best advice i have ever read on co2, when i ran it i found anything over 800 ppm was a waste, i have the same thoughts on nutes.

 

[Grizz]

mixed up a 5gl batch today and was freaked out at how much i had to add to get the ec to 1.2, there is no way the sample pack is big enough to even get 1 plant through veg and flower.

 

[dansbuds]

mixed up a 5gl batch today and was freaked out at how much i had to add to get the ec to 1.2, there is no way the sample pack is big enough to even get 1 plant through veg and flower.

how much did ya have to use ? it takes about 2 tbs to get 1.2 for me in a 5 gallon jug .

 

[ekomsi]

how many grams did you have to use joesy?

 

[rives]

mixed up a 5gl batch today and was freaked out at how much i had to add to get the ec to 1.2, there is no way the sample pack is big enough to even get 1 plant through veg and flower.

I took 4 plants most of the way through on the sample - is it still around 100 grams? My calcs show that it should easily do 2 plants including vegging. It takes me just a shade over a teaspoon/gallon to reach an EC of 1.2.

 

[Grizz]

dident weigh it, had to add 9 teaspoons to get it to 1.2, r o water. had to put it in a bowl and smash the shit out of it to get it broken up enough to measure it out, going to pick one plant str8 from the cloner and start using it and see how far i get. if is see as good of growth as maxi grow provides i might go ahead and order enough to finish it out.

on the jar it came in it said .5 teaspoons to 1.5 per gallon so i was expecting it to be pretty consintrated. guess compard to maxi its pretty close to the same, going to do a bucket of maxi tommorow just to see how many teaspoons it takes to get 1.2 ec

 

[dansbuds]

had to put it in a bowl and smash the shit out of it to get it broken up enough to measure it out,

that right there might be your problem ..... it should be a fine powder right in the package ... nothing should have to be broken up . the OP of this thread stopped using it cuz hes in michigan & his supplier was lettin the stuff gain moisture in his trunk before sending it out & it was like a brick when he got it .... maybe thats whats happening to yours . what was it like when ya got it ???

 

[Grizz]

hard as a brick, shouldent matter though once you losin it back up.

reves i guess that would depend on how long there vegged before 12/12, mine usally go around 1 1/2 months . some kushes go 2 months or more. i hit them with 1.2 from beer cup to flower 5gl pots

 

[ekomsi]

Mine is a nice powder no breaking anything up all I do is scoop my powder into a glass jar thats on the scale and after I weigh up what I need I sprinkle it in to the rez while filling with water from my hose. No more mixing with hot water or anything, within 20 min my rez is pretty damn clear. I use around 300g per 50 gallons

 

[Grizz]

wish mine was powder, bricks are HARD.

 

[rives]

That's a pain in the ass. It should be like granulated sugar.

 

[Cannabloomer]

How is everyone using this Feed,Feed,Feed,water? I usually use a F,W,W cycle but for the V+B i've been told different?

 

[netprophet]

I'm hitting them with 1.8 every feed with no flush this run. I am not running the dairy queen this round so am going to run it above 1.4 . rockwool hugos in trays, top drippers 1/8" small ass drip tubes, no clogs! These are all at 1.8 ph 5.8 loving it!!

nug from last run!! shit is dank as all hell stick to your finger!

 

[RicoT]

Damn that looks nice... Is that subcools DQ?

 

[Musicianized]

I'm hitting them with 1.8 every feed with no flush this run. I am not running the dairy queen this round so am going to run it above 1.4 . rockwool hugos in trays, top drippers 1/8" small ass drip tubes, no clogs! These are all at 1.8 ph 5.8 loving it!!

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nug from last run!! shit is dank as all hell stick to your finger!

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Nice bro. They are loving it! That bud looks tastey!

 

[Cannabloomer]

That is for sure some top shelf meds. Good Job, i cant wait to get results close to that

 

[Prodigygrower]

are those the 6x6 or the 8x8 rw blocks?? how many are you using per 4x4 dnt they make bigger blocks than 8x8 i think i have some any way girls look lush and green.

 

[tenthirty]

No, I dropped it 7 days later. The online directions call for the highest level of nutrients for the first 21 days (weeks 1-3), then start scaling back in weeks 4-6, and then either minimal nutrients in week 7 and flushing in 8 or flushing in 7 & 8 depending on the medium.

I used an EC of 1.5-1.6 for the first 4 weeks, 1.2 for the 5th week, .8 for the 6th, .6 for the 7th (I was just diluting down by adding straight water during these two weeks), and .1 for the 8th thru harvest at 9.5 weeks. The plants were still considerably greener than I would have expected, but the smoke was some of the smoothest that I have had almost immediately after drying.

The pictures below are a group shot one week before harvest (I don't have one any closer), and one plant after trimming.

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Rives,

I'm on my second run with V&B, switched from Dyna-Grow.
With Dyna-Grow my plants would stay pretty much completely green all the way through harvest. (Other than my screw ups)

With the V&B I'm seeing the same yellowing (interveinal chlorosis) as in your pics. It starts at about 2 weeks into 12/12.
Feeding at about 1.2 EC this run and no burn yet. First run was at 1.6 and did get burned a little. The little ladies are in 4" rockwool cubes.

Do you think that this is a problem, or am I just being paranoid?
The buds look great though. I can hardly wait!

Thanks in advance.

 

[rives]

With the V&B I'm seeing the same yellowing (interveinal chlorosis) as in your pics. It starts at about 2 weeks into 12/12.
Feeding at about 1.2 EC this run and no burn yet. First run was at 1.6 and did get burned a little. The little ladies are in 4" rockwool cubes.

Do you think that this is a problem, or am I just being paranoid?
The buds look great though. I can hardly wait!

Thanks in advance.

I would think that seeing this at 2 weeks of 12/12 would be a little premature. It sounds to me like you might want to kick the EC up a little for a couple of weeks. If the plants are the same variety that you had burn at 1.6, then an intermediate feed might be the ticket. As I mentioned above, I had difficulty getting the plants to start the yellowing process. Sounds like your girls might be a little more finicky.