any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Drumskinz]

Hey guys I'm a newb here at icmag but have been a grower since the 80's. Mostly outdoors here in the northeast. And only in the last few years indoors. My question, I'm using v&b hard outdoors on my grow when should I stop using cal mag outdoors at 4 ml/gal. And go with strictly mag? I know it's nothing like flipping a switch but maybe 2 weeks after buds start to form

 

[dansbuds]

at 4ml per gallon , i'd stop after the stretch & as they start to bud . right around week 2 .

 

[Aspenou812]

Wow i gotta read back.... missed some here...

 

[Drumskinz]

at 4ml per gallon , i'd stop after the stretch & as they start to bud . right around week 2 .

Thanks dans, I'll give it whirl. With the 23+
inches of rain we had here in May, June and July, August has been a breath of fresh air. Things were lookin awful pale during them rainy months. Now being able to use the v&b like I wanted to in coco, I'm digging it. I'm glad I joined you guys rock!!!

 

[Benvanboro]

That's exactly what I did and I was using the cal mag at about 4ml per gal, only doing 100ppm of the epsom salt.
What's the deal with adding Shine first? Is that true or?
Also curious when you guys usually cut out the silica? I've been using it at half strength or less since it's already in the VB. I usually cut that out after week 4, but I was thinking about cutting it out sooner like end of week 2, don't really see why I would need it past that?

at 4ml per gallon , i'd stop after the stretch & as they start to bud . right around week 2 .

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Sucks that even you have to use cal mag. at all for as much as vb costs you would think it would cover all the bases. You dont think just raising ec would take care of any issues with def? Thats what Im going to try. Im running 4gm per gal with r/o in veg right now. (5-6 strains are perfectly happy) When I flip I was going to do 5gm per gallon for week one and two and then do 4gm and 1gm of shine. Through week 6. then start flush.

You guys are saying this isn't going to work under 1k's with co2? I dont want to have issues.
Ive got plenty of Cal mag on hand. Tehcnaflora or Botanicare.

 

[dansbuds]

Sucks that even you have to use cal mag. at all for as much as vb costs you would think it would cover all the bases. You dont think just raising ec would take care of any issues with def? Thats what Im going to try. Im running 4gm per gal with r/o in veg right now. (5-6 strains are perfectly happy) When I flip I was going to do 5gm per gallon for week one and two and then do 4gm and 1gm of shine. Through week 6. then start flush.

You guys are saying this isn't going to work under 1k's with co2? I dont want to have issues.
Ive got plenty of Cal mag on hand. Tehcnaflora or Botanicare.

only on the calcium or magnesium hogs twisted . most strains are perfectly happy with just the V&B .
i keep my moms in 2 different trays because some are calmag hogs & need the extra calmag & the rest just get the V&B .

 

[rives]

Sucks that even you have to use cal mag. at all for as much as vb costs you would think it would cover all the bases. You dont think just raising ec would take care of any issues with def? Thats what Im going to try. Im running 4gm per gal with r/o in veg right now. (5-6 strains are perfectly happy) When I flip I was going to do 5gm per gallon for week one and two and then do 4gm and 1gm of shine. Through week 6. then start flush.

You guys are saying this isn't going to work under 1k's with co2? I dont want to have issues.
Ive got plenty of Cal mag on hand. Tehcnaflora or Botanicare.

V+B, like almost all nutrients, is formulated based on the idea that it will be used with "average" water. If your water has exceptionally high or low levels of a particular element, you need to compensate for it. My water has virtually no magnesium in it, so I add epsom salts. Everyone needs to get a water analysis to find out what they are starting with, and a nutrient calculator like the one in my sig line is invaluable for fine-tuning your mix.

 

[dansbuds]

That's exactly what I did and I was using the cal mag at about 4ml per gal, only doing 100ppm of the epsom salt.
What's the deal with adding Shine first? Is that true or?
Also curious when you guys usually cut out the silica? I've been using it at half strength or less since it's already in the VB. I usually cut that out after week 4, but I was thinking about cutting it out sooner like end of week 2, don't really see why I would need it past that?

there is enough silica in the V&B , but i use protekt as a PH up .... the little extra i do use can't hurt IMHO

 

[dansbuds]

V+B, like almost all nutrients, is formulated based on the idea that it will be used with "average" water. If your water has exceptionally high or low levels of a particular element, you need to compensate for it. My water has virtually no magnesium in it, so I add epsom salts. Everyone needs to get a water analysis to find out what they are starting with, and a nutrient calculator like the one in my sig line is invaluable for fine-tuning your mix.

HR even offers to do a water analysis for you to determine which formula is best for your water supply .

but this is why no matter what my water is like ..... i run it through an RO/DI system to get 0 water . it takes the guessing out of the equation . i know exactly what the plants are getting .

 

[Twisted pleasur]

Thanks guys... Ya make sense.. Im using 0 r/o as well. Ill check out cannastats rives. Any of you guys using push?

 

[dansbuds]

yeah i am ,when i remember to use it lol , push is about the only additive they make that i do like . after a foliar i can see a difference the next day with the push .its great for clones that look like shit from being in a cloner to long .... a couple good sprayings of the push & they perk right up & take off !

 

[Benvanboro]

Do you add tap back to get to 100 ppm or is it fine without anything?
I feel like adding even just a little bit of silica helps my pH stay more stable as well. I only add 5-8ml to 14 gallons

most strains are perfectly happy with just the V&B .

there is enough silica in the V&B , but i use protekt as a PH up .... the little extra i do use can't hurt IMHO

 

[dansbuds]

Do you add tap back to get to 100 ppm or is it fine without anything?
I feel like adding even just a little bit of silica helps my pH stay more stable as well. I only add 5-8ml to 14 gallons

nope , i mix with just straight ro water .
the protekt does seem to keep the PH steadier than when i was using a PH up by techniflora .

 

[thedudefresco]

Didn't these guys blow up because Jungle Boyz started promoting them?

 

[Aspenou812]

Didn't these guys blow up because Jungle Boyz started promoting them?

No they blew up because the stuff works good....

 

[Benvanboro]

ok cool good to know, I'd imagine the swing just happens a little faster without anything in it.
Definitely have to add twice as much down but it's worth it for the stability. I use Advanced Nutrients ph down it's super concentrated phosphoric acid

nope , i mix with just straight ro water .
the protekt does seem to keep the PH steadier than when i was using a PH up by techniflora .

 

[Drumskinz]

ok cool good to know, I'd imagine the swing just happens a little faster without anything in it.
Definitely have to add twice as much down but it's worth it for the stability. I use Advanced Nutrients ph down it's super concentrated phosphoric acid

I also use AN ph down. My tap water is pretty alkaline like 8.4ph or .7ec. My water is pretty clean except for a little colloidal clay and a bit of sulfur gas that I filter with an in line filter for my tap water. With GH ph down I needed 6ml per gal. Since I got the AN ph down I use 1.5 ml.

 

[dansbuds]

Didn't these guys blow up because Jungle Boyz started promoting them?

dunno who that is ..... but i've been using it pretty much from the start .

 

[unregistered190]

What if anything replaced their +Size? Don't see it listed on their site anymore...anyone know? Will shoot them an email as well. Thanks in advance