any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Aspenou812]

Like many things in Life it can be as simple or as complex as we want it to be....... for me it's super simple...... Buy the Ticket Take the Ride........a little HST......
Canna what would you like to know? give us an idea about what information you need..... the cliff notes on this thread would be 100 pages to hit all the topics...

 

[Old Toker]

V&B alone in flower !

Sativas are light feeders , start low & adjust up as the plant tells you .

Thank you sir! Will try the V&B with ProTecKt.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Christ I'm about 60 pages in to this thread. lol

Who want's to give THAT GUY the rundown? I know, I know... But theres over 300 pages meow!!

Veg bloom looks like it has different formulations now for your water quality...... That's... That makes much less KISS.

And they have additives...

Been meaning to call them for a sample though. I have been quite intrigued for awhile.

I will like to put it up against maxi+calmagic, RAW's all in one parts veg and bloom formulas, and the the soil Kiss method, which I guess is Michigan mix and pk boosters in flo.. Which I'm gonna switch those up and test out.. Plus gonna do some soil/vs DWC with all these formulations.. This'll be fun!... New bulbs, new everything!! You're gonna get some data, pictures, maybe vids....!! I think I'm gonna need a editor or a cure for sleep.

OK so whos got all the advice cause if I have to read the whole thread I'm gonna kill myself. I have like 3 books to read, 70 scientific articles, AND a buncha silly internet threads. Seriously. It's probably closer to over 100+ articles, AND I'm behind on my monthly downloads.

I need some cliff notes. I'm not the only cat. We need like, every 10 to 20 pages an update on the cause this is nuts. We need the condensed guide and yeah I'm making it but for myself once I read and take notes on this all.. I know this is kiss.. But 300+ pages obviously isn't that kiss lol

It's kiss alright. Problem is 300+ pages of bullshit bro talk and the manufacturer of this product all trying to confuse you. You don't need any of the other additives he came up with to make more money or anybody elses additives. Here are the cliff notes of V+B:


Buy either V+B RO/Soft or V+B Hard according to your waters ec. Mix the V+B at a ec of between .08 to 1.6 depending on your stage of veg or bloom.

Those are the cliff notes and everything you need to know. If you know how to grow pot with salts then that's all you need to know to grow with V+B. Got any questions then refer to the fucking cliff notes because all the knowledge you need is contained in those 2 sentences.

 

[dansbuds]

It's kiss alright. Problem is 300+ pages of bullshit bro talk and the manufacturer of this product all trying to confuse you. You don't need any of the other additives he came up with to make more money or anybody elses additives. Here are the cliff notes of V+B:


Buy either V+B RO/Soft or V+B Hard according to your waters ec. Mix the V+B at a ec of between .08 to 1.6 depending on your stage of veg or bloom.

Those are the cliff notes and everything you need to know. If you know how to grow pot with salts then that's all you need to know to grow with V+B. Got any questions then refer to the fucking cliff notes because all the knowledge you need is contained in those 2 sentences.

 

[Cannabologist]

Well........... That's TOO easy... No extra cal mag?.

Guess meot.

Additives? I know... I know.. I see those pics and cats with no additives. hmm.

So maybe get an RO filter to use the VBro... That could take out any other variability if I want to get science..

 

[Trich_Tyson]

It's like 3:1 on the cal:mag. And lots of it - don't remember the percentage but it's up there. You should be good without. Keep some epsom for if you need it. But start without.

And yes RO affords you the knowledge of exact inputs

 

[Aspenou812]

V+B RO 1.4 EC 5.9 PH weel 6 flower

V+B RO 1.4 EC 5.9 PH weel 6 flower

 

[dansbuds]

Well........... That's TOO easy... No extra cal mag?.

Guess meot.

Additives? I know... I know.. I see those pics and cats with no additives. hmm.

So maybe get an RO filter to use the VBro... That could take out any other variability if I want to get science..

keep a bottle on hand for the cal hungry strains too though . my sour bubbles & crosses were all cal hungry , so is the chem91 .

but other than that ...... just V&B . some use protekt as a PH up , it has silica & is beneficial to the plants .

 

[rives]

Well........... That's TOO easy... No extra cal mag?.

Guess meot.

Additives? I know... I know.. I see those pics and cats with no additives. hmm.

So maybe get an RO filter to use the VBro... That could take out any other variability if I want to get science..

If you want science, get a water analysis. In fact, get one anyway. My water has virtually no magnesium in it, which is apparently very unusual. I use 1.3 - 2.0 grams/gallon of epsom with the V+B RO, and no additives.

 

[Cannabologist]

keep a bottle on hand for the cal hungry strains too though . my sour bubbles & crosses were all cal hungry , so is the chem91 .

but other than that ...... just V&B . some use protekt as a PH up , it has silica & is beneficial to the plants .

Yeahpp that's what my reading was telling me.. Heh, and the protekt. Got some of that. If it's still good lol. My guess is from what I've been reading that Veg bloom when added to any water is highly acidic, though of course this depends, but I see more people Ph'ing up than down, and using protekt as their Ph up.

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Yeah when I get a sample I will likely talk to THE MAN and send in a water sample and see what they tell me..

 

[Old Toker]

My guess is from what I've been reading that Veg bloom when added to any water is highly acidic, though of course this depends, but I see more people Ph'ing up than down, and using protekt as their Ph up...

That's a good point. Usually people are talking about how much Ph Down they need to use with their nutes.

 

[PriznnPlanet]

Hey Dans what are you feeding in Veg?

 

[dansbuds]

Hey Dans what are you feeding in Veg?

V&B RO formula with 0 warer & some vitamins & amino acids from microbe life . seedlings & clones get .6EC & up to 1.0 on the bigger ones . very few strains have asked for more than that , even right before flower .


i got a free bottle of Push foliar with my last order , i just recently started using it & i do notice a difference the next day . the plants seem much happier afterwards .

 

[saitama]

V&B RO formula with 0 warer & some vitamins & amino acids from microbe life . seedlings & clones get .6EC & up to 1.0 on the bigger ones . very few strains have asked for more than that , even right before flower .


i got a free bottle of Push foliar with my last order , i just recently started using it & i do notice a difference the next day . the plants seem much happier afterwards .

I was getting some defs due to uncalibrated ph and ppm pens and push really saved my ass for that short period of time. I will not be making that mistake again.

How often are you foliar feeding? 2x a week per instructions?

 

[dansbuds]

I was getting some defs due to uncalibrated ph and ppm pens and push really saved my ass for that short period of time. I will not be making that mistake again.

How often are you foliar feeding? 2x a week per instructions?

every 5 days is what the bottle says , so thats what i marked on my calender .
i check & calibrate my meters every sunday religiously , unless i think theres a problem .

 

[PriznnPlanet]

V&B RO formula with 0 warer & some vitamins & amino acids from microbe life . seedlings & clones get .6EC & up to 1.0 on the bigger ones . very few strains have asked for more than that , even right before flower .


i got a free bottle of Push foliar with my last order , i just recently started using it & i do notice a difference the next day . the plants seem much happier afterwards .

Ok cool I've been sidelined for a while. I'm considering these nutes with Char coir coco flood and drain. Thanks buddy!

 

[Old Toker]

Just mixed my first batch of V&B and before I add anymore V&B.....I have a few questions if anyone knows:
Is there supposed to be white sediment at the bottom of the rez?
What is it?
Is it suppose to eventually dissolve?
Is there some special technique to adding V&B?
My pump and air stone are both running.....so if it can be mixed it hopefully will be...eventually.
Thanks!

 

[positivity]

I use a ppm meter and mix with a wisk. Only do a gallon at a time so it's not a big deal for me. Takes a good stirring before the ppm reading stops changing and is mixed well

 

[Old Toker]

Thanks Positivity!
I just sprinkled it on the surface with the pump and return circulating the water. Anyway...left everything mix for 1/2 an hour.....and the PPMs did not change and they are about where I would have expected for the amount I used. SO....I am assuming that if it was going to dissolve any further I would have seen some rise in the PPMs....and seeing as I didn't.....and the girls are getting hungry.....I just added more V&B to my desired PPMs/EC (400/.8) and adjusted the PH. Will be feeding shortly.....unless someone suggest that I'm getting ready to kill my plants.

 

[positivity]

Thanks Positivity!
I just sprinkled it on the surface with the pump and return circulating the water. Anyway...left everything mix for 1/2 and hour.....and the PPMs did not change and they are about where I would have expected for the amount I used. SO....I am assuming that if it was going to dissolve any further I would have seen some rise in the PPMs....and seeing as I didn't.....and the girls are getting hungry.....I just added more V&B to my desired PPMs/EC (400/.8) and adjusted the PH. Will be feeding shortly.....unless someone suggest that I'm getting ready to kill my plants.

Might be a case of don't fix what ain't broke then. When I started having issues I paid more attention to the mixing of the v + b. 800ppm could easily be a 1000 when mixed better. It does seem to settle at the bottom a little. Usually I need to run the wisk along the bottom of the container to get it steady

Pump with recirculating water might be just as good if not better than my way...yours is constantly mixing..