standsideways
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there is an army of tools who make it there life's mission to troll and thread crap anything to do with advanced nutes..
just tell them to GTFO.
just tell them to GTFO.
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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
- Thread starter barneyfife1
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did anyone notice that they had to use FAR more than .25 tsp/gal to get to the recommended ppms? I am probably using close to .75tsp/gal and still a little under the recommended feeding level. Turns out what I thought was a bit of nute burn, was just me underfeeding drastically. I dont think you should bother trying to use veg+bloom UNLESS you are using an ec/tds meter.
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TribalSeeds
I used 1 tbsp per gallon to get near 1,000ppm with RO water.
I didnt understand how they claim to be bloom ratios at 1,200 ppm but the recommended dose for flower was .75 and thats like 750 ppm.
I didnt understand how they claim to be bloom ratios at 1,200 ppm but the recommended dose for flower was .75 and thats like 750 ppm.
I emailed Chris about the feed being light at the recommended levels when I had problems initially with not feeding enough. He said that they made the conscious decision to keep their packaging instructions on the light side so that people wouldn't burn up their plants when following the directions (as opposed to almost all of the other nute manufacturers out there).
I would recommend using an EC/tds meter also.
I would recommend using an EC/tds meter also.
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ekomsi
This thread has blown up since I last was in here. I have used VegBloom this current run IM in with coco coir. So far I like the results. How hard is it to weigh out some powder in a jar add a little hot water shake for 10 seconds and add to my 55 gall rez while I fill with a hose. I come back 20 minutes later and I have a clear rez that smells like lemon lime gatorade. I also use .5ml drip clean and a very small amount of ph down.
I did notice a lot of deff when I first started using veg bloom this was b/c I was not using enough, I have been in the mind set less is more with nutrients pre vegbloom but now I use around 5.5 to 6g of vegbloom per gallon. And the plants seem to love this stuff now that the ec is around 1.6-1.8
I wanted to try this nutrient out because I like simplicity (KISS). I started with lucas formula which is fairly simple. I also tried maxibloom which I love when flowering soil plants. Now I use vegbloom.
I did notice a lot of deff when I first started using veg bloom this was b/c I was not using enough, I have been in the mind set less is more with nutrients pre vegbloom but now I use around 5.5 to 6g of vegbloom per gallon. And the plants seem to love this stuff now that the ec is around 1.6-1.8
I wanted to try this nutrient out because I like simplicity (KISS). I started with lucas formula which is fairly simple. I also tried maxibloom which I love when flowering soil plants. Now I use vegbloom.
You should not pre-mix single formula powdered nutes in a jar. As the nutes dissolve that bonds that keep the phosphorus, sulphur, and calcium separate break, and if you do this in a small jar where concentration levels will be high, you will have precipitation, and you won't be feeding your plants properly.
This goes for Maxibloom too, any single part nute should never be pre-mixed. Dump the powder right into the res and stir.
Pre-mixing is what I tried initially, and as Shafto said, I was having problems with precipitates. I had emailed Chris about this, and he said specifically not to do it, that I would have problems as a result. The only thing that I would add is that "dumping" it in also caused problems for me - it seems like if the pile hits the bottom of the reservoir intact, it takes forever to dissolve. That is when I started using the gadget similar to the one that I posted a picture of a couple of pages back - "sifting" it in worked much better for me.
Yes, I should have been more specific, "dump" is not what I do, I said that figuratively.
To be specific I sprinkle it in too, evenly over the surface and stir. I don't go so far as to use a sifter though, and I couldn't use one for the prilled cal-nit anyway. I don't mind stirring for a minute.
For those that mix a res to water with and that's it this won't apply, but for those who recirculate I think it's also advisable to add nutes gradually, not letting your control res get beyond 2.0EC or so. That's where I stop to be safe, let the EC drop down as it mixes all in to the system before I add more.
To be specific I sprinkle it in too, evenly over the surface and stir. I don't go so far as to use a sifter though, and I couldn't use one for the prilled cal-nit anyway. I don't mind stirring for a minute.
For those that mix a res to water with and that's it this won't apply, but for those who recirculate I think it's also advisable to add nutes gradually, not letting your control res get beyond 2.0EC or so. That's where I stop to be safe, let the EC drop down as it mixes all in to the system before I add more.
i dont know if this is the right way but what i do with maxi is fill my 55 gl res half full with a hose , add my maxi and let the hose run full blast till its full, also have a pump in res running 24/7, havent had any problems doing it this way . never have any sediment on bottom of res either. i use 1/3 tap water and 2/3 ro, ec is 1.2 and ph is always 5.7 and rises to 6.4 by the time rez is empty. plants seem to love it.
waiting on those samples of veg flower,
waiting on those samples of veg flower,
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ekomsi
I noticed the seperation in the jar after letting it settle for a few seconds after shaking but the rez is pretty clear everything looks dissolved no specs of undissolved powder on the bottom of the rez at all.
I will try sprinkling it while filling with the hose next time I do a rez.
I will try sprinkling it while filling with the hose next time I do a rez.
Musicianized
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Wow.... If they send me a sample big enough to get through one small grow I'll put the Maxi aside and try this stuff out.. It's gotta be good with so many hating on it for no reason other than whats not on the label lol..
If it sucks I'll tell ya, if it rocks I'll tell ya.. I don't care what the label says.
If it sucks I'll tell ya, if it rocks I'll tell ya.. I don't care what the label says.
Shit, finally finished reading thread to this page, good read..Anyhoo, I may try V+B in the future for shits and giggles, not b/c I needs to or my girls need it..After-all, if it ain't broke!..
Have run GH, Botanicare, Dyna, and so far in my garden(s) Jacks 5-12-26 with CalNit is da bomb..And ratios as close to plant tissue analysis results have shown..Not knocking anyone else's choice/preference..
My2cents..
Have run GH, Botanicare, Dyna, and so far in my garden(s) Jacks 5-12-26 with CalNit is da bomb..And ratios as close to plant tissue analysis results have shown..Not knocking anyone else's choice/preference..
My2cents..
netprophet
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You guys think I should flush these more? I've been running .4EC for a week
DAMN that looks killer I wanna see you run some sour D or some of alien's new crosses or a sick Bubba would be cool you keep impressing me every time with these V+B pic!~ I can't wait to run mine and see if i can get similar results . I would flush for a min of 10 days but 2 weeks is better its better safe than sorry there is nothing worse than growing some Bomb herb and not flushing it long enough and having it burn and taste like shit! I would deff go with pure Ro for at least another week hommie stay frosty bro peace.
I've been having trouble with moisture getting into my V+B and then it gets kinda thick and doesn't dissolve as well as I would like in the water and leaves some residue on the bottom of the rez. I think I might just start vacuums sealing smaller packages and just bust em' open when they are needed.
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ekomsi
Net doesnt use RO water atleast I dont think he does. Looks tasty bro,
If anyone wants to break it down more thats cool. Price comparison of veg bloom to Maxibloom,
I got 10lbs of vegbloom for 225 that equals out to be 22.5 bucks a lb of vegbloom.
maxi bloom is around 16 bucks per lb if I remember correctly prolly less at a bulk rate.
I use 7g/gal of maxibloom and around 6g +or- 1.5g at full stregth of vegbloom per gallon,
I like both products I have used maxibloom for flowering ffof plants at 7g per gallon their whole lives with fantastic results. I would like to only use one product most likely vegbloom or maxi for everything in my garden. Then agian the science side of me wants to try other nutrients out.
KISS is always the motto what ever nutrient you decide to use will work there are much more important factors to growing then what nutrients you use like temp, rh, vpd, training your plants, genetics, air flow or co2.
If anyone wants to break it down more thats cool. Price comparison of veg bloom to Maxibloom,
I got 10lbs of vegbloom for 225 that equals out to be 22.5 bucks a lb of vegbloom.
maxi bloom is around 16 bucks per lb if I remember correctly prolly less at a bulk rate.
I use 7g/gal of maxibloom and around 6g +or- 1.5g at full stregth of vegbloom per gallon,
I like both products I have used maxibloom for flowering ffof plants at 7g per gallon their whole lives with fantastic results. I would like to only use one product most likely vegbloom or maxi for everything in my garden. Then agian the science side of me wants to try other nutrients out.
KISS is always the motto what ever nutrient you decide to use will work there are much more important factors to growing then what nutrients you use like temp, rh, vpd, training your plants, genetics, air flow or co2.
This was one of the reasons that I went with the sifter. I had problems with it dissolving when the V+B clumped up from high humidity - the sifter holds back any chunks, and then you can break them up by forcing them through the screen with your thumb.
Ya I remember the pic you threw up a few pages back... Where did you grab that thing? You run coco rives?
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ekomsi
I had to go back to page 18 to find the sifter that would be perfect, you could weigh the powder out in the can pop the lid on and sift while filling the rez nice one rives, on another not why would anyone care if someone was marketing a product or not? What is everyones problem with a new nutrient coming onto the market? Ever heared the saying if you dont have anything good to say stfu?
Its a nutrient use it or use something else, people should spend less time worrying about a scam and more time dialing their enviorments. I now know why this thread is so big it must have a lot of negative people running the pages up.
Its a nutrient use it or use something else, people should spend less time worrying about a scam and more time dialing their enviorments. I now know why this thread is so big it must have a lot of negative people running the pages up.
The picture that I put up is just similar to mine - I pulled mine out of my girlfriend's cabinet
. They are powdered sugar sifters, the following is from Amazon. Amazon has a few different styles. Yes, I'm in coco (Botanicare ReadyGro Aeration mix).http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-2103-388-Sugar-Shaker/dp/B001PKUXPQ
