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YosemiteSam
I would love for Chris to come in here and explain his product...what is in it and what is not. I ain't saying it is bad...but the explanations are total bullshit period.
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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
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Thanks rives! These girls are going to be run off blumats once they hit flower.... Going to just throw drip clean into the mix and should be good to go!
Thanks rives! These girls are going to be run off blumats once they hit flower.... Going to just throw drip clean into the mix and should be good to go!
That is the only additive that I'm running, too. Are you using the RO formula or the regular one?
I'm using the hard water formula at the moment... buddy broke my RO system... so i'm out of luck there. Tap comes out right around 125PPM so no complaints from me...
Guys ... drip clean is not needed with the V & B . i just put up a thread about it we had a pretty good conversation about it .... check it out .
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=244648
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=244648
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YosemiteSam
If drip clean is needed with any formula...that formula is totally fucked up. The derived from section of veg bloom says mkp...ain't nothin special about that shit.
Fuck this stupid shit...I would never buy this stupid shit.
Fuck this stupid shit...I would never buy this stupid shit.
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TribalSeeds
Actually, drip clean is not just to clean your tubes, thats just a side effect. Its actually an ionic binding agent and should bind the excess ions so they don't fall out of suspension. Ive heard claims about helping the plant uptake carbs and stuff like that.
While it is certainly not needed, thats not to say it cant be beneficial. Im not saying you should or shouldnt use it with a certain nutrient. My understanding is that the cleansing it does is just a byproduct of what its intended to do, and thats bind the ions in the solution.
While it is certainly not needed, thats not to say it cant be beneficial. Im not saying you should or shouldnt use it with a certain nutrient. My understanding is that the cleansing it does is just a byproduct of what its intended to do, and thats bind the ions in the solution.
Sam, your credibility is suffering. You have pretty well covered every possible position on this nutrient, from endorsing it to condemning it.
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YosemiteSam
I just said the formula might be good...the fucking marketing in this thread is ridiculous. It is beyond fucking retarded.
I love that it is 3:1 Ca:Mg. You cannot find that in any other formula in a bottle. And maybe it ain't Chris behind it...hell the fucking tub says it has NH4 in it and does not make any claim that all this "magical" shit is in it.
But the bullshit in this thread is simply retarded. Anyone with any chemistry background can see right through it.
Believe it if you want. Pay extra for it if you want...that is up to you.
edit....the short version, if the tub tells the truth I like it. If all this other shit is true...it sucks.
I love that it is 3:1 Ca:Mg. You cannot find that in any other formula in a bottle. And maybe it ain't Chris behind it...hell the fucking tub says it has NH4 in it and does not make any claim that all this "magical" shit is in it.
But the bullshit in this thread is simply retarded. Anyone with any chemistry background can see right through it.
Believe it if you want. Pay extra for it if you want...that is up to you.
edit....the short version, if the tub tells the truth I like it. If all this other shit is true...it sucks.
I can't tell you what is bullshit here and what isn't - I can tell you that the run that I just finished gave me the least problems of any that I've done in years, and the yield was up about 20% from previous runs with the same genetics. Pretty simple.
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YosemiteSam
That is fair enough. I do not doubt you and those are really good looking buds. I can even believe they came from what is written on the tub. I even recommend what is written on the tub if you do not mix your own.
What is in this thread about the nutes is pure bullshit imo
I will just let it go unless Chris shows up and says what is what
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I once bought a bottle of GH Hard water Micro by mistake, thinking it was the regular formula. I use tap water and even though it averages 300ppm (.8ec) I ended up with plants that looked like yours...I'm using the hard water formula at the moment... buddy broke my RO system... so i'm out of luck there. Tap comes out right around 125PPM so no complaints from me...
Thread already got closed once lets try not to get it closed again! Pretty sure this thread is labeled "any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom" NOT "Veg+bloom users,critics,haters"
If you don't have anything helpful to add to the thread FUCK off and don't ruin it for the people who come here for info.
If you don't have anything helpful to add to the thread FUCK off and don't ruin it for the people who come here for info.
Whoops It's not the "Hardwater" formula it's just the regular tap water formula.
Sam, I understand your frustration to a degree - I am the same way about electrical devices/claims/problems. I value your input on these matters, your postings on the CaMg ratio were a large part of my decision to try V+B. There have been some extraordinary claims made and some heated postings, which is a shame because I would like to have people who are having issues with their nutrients feel comfortable giving this a try because it works great for me. If people are using something cheaper that works for them, great. If not, order up a free sample and try it out.
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max_well
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I recently did a run of V+B (balanced for the local tap water formula), and was surprised at the quality of the outcome. I've always avoided complicated formulas / abundance of additives, and went through a few rounds with Jack's + CalNit in attempts to avoid hydro store hype entirely, but settled back on House and Garden just using their base A+B formula and Calmag with RO water typically, which has been reasonably affordable with good results. I grow in sealed rooms with consistent environment and have grown the same cuts over and over, so I am fairly confident to say that V+B nutrient provided the best results I've seen to date, both in yield and quality. I can't say if these improvements are due primarily to a well designed salt profile, or are more attributable to some unlisted additive(s) in the mix,, but I was very impressed, and my local dispensary that I contribute to agreed! (fetched a couple more points than usual on V+B batch)
The simplicity of using a 1-part powder is nice of course, and avoiding the wastefulness of RO filter-waste in SoCal, where wasting water is particularly negligent, are also important considerations to me. I definitely recommend this product for people growing hydroponically .... I would guess that the price is quite marked-up from the cost of actual materials used in production (as compared to products from JR peters, for example), but it doesn't end up being that great of a cost considering benefits from what I have seen. good luck
The simplicity of using a 1-part powder is nice of course, and avoiding the wastefulness of RO filter-waste in SoCal, where wasting water is particularly negligent, are also important considerations to me. I definitely recommend this product for people growing hydroponically .... I would guess that the price is quite marked-up from the cost of actual materials used in production (as compared to products from JR peters, for example), but it doesn't end up being that great of a cost considering benefits from what I have seen. good luck
Thanks for your posts in this thread. I thought I was the only one who sees the shilling and bs.
Ok maybe i'm just a stupid stoner .... but what shilling & bullshit are you guys talking about ??? i can see where you might have thought someone was pushing the product for the company . But as far as them listing EXACTLY whats in the mix ..... Hardly any company does that so it can't be copied & sold as something else .... to me it makes sense !! just try it ... if ya like it great .... if not .... then move on !!! no need to sit here & bash the guy cuz he won't list whats in it . from what i can tell , he's been asked a ton of questions about his product & answered them very well . no i'm no chemist or do i make my own nutes . i'm trying to find a very good 1 part nutrient that doesn't get sediment in the bottom of my rez & won't clog my drip lines & makes my plants healthy & happy . & this has done that for me very nicely .
I've only been growing for about 3 years & i'm learning as much as i can about nutes & what the plant needs & when . but this stuff has made my life easy & i thank Chris for that . you guys want to get all technical & know whats in it exactly ... then have it tested or something to find out , why come in here bitching about it ? i don't know .... i just don't see the need for all this back & forth BS .
thats just my opinion ...
I've only been growing for about 3 years & i'm learning as much as i can about nutes & what the plant needs & when . but this stuff has made my life easy & i thank Chris for that . you guys want to get all technical & know whats in it exactly ... then have it tested or something to find out , why come in here bitching about it ? i don't know .... i just don't see the need for all this back & forth BS .
thats just my opinion ...
