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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
- Thread starter barneyfife1
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Hey Green, I was gonna see if you had any thoughts on the shine if you have used/tested it.
Thanks!
Wow I can see the haters are still hating lmfao, This room must draw out every hater on icmag!!!!!!
Yeah Rives is a good dude ! he'll never steer ya wrong .
like i said , its strong . measure the EC on a half dose first to see how close that brings you . you may not want the other half .
Full strength(6ml/gal) gives me .6EC. I'm adding another 1.0 of v+b, plus the epsoms , for ~1.6EC. I'll run this through week 6 unless things start going south.
brainzfuxed
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Hey get it right- dansbuds is the shill, I'm the hypocrite who lives under a rock
Your right. Your just that hippie dude that lives in the middle of nowhere haha!!
try it i guess , you'll see lock up overnight if it is to strong ..... at least i did on my purple frostbytes . locked them right up & fucked the whole run .
We'll see. I doubt that .6 is strong enough to "lock up" SourBubble, even with an additional 1.0 of v+b. I've certainly hit them harder with +size/shine in the past. I've went with 2g/gal of shine for 3 weeks. Burnt the leaves up real good, but the buds were pretty much the same as runs with straight v+b.
So far, this run has been looking very good. I'm hoping that the PK will help pack on some more weight, while gradually diminishing the N. I do stand ready to abort on the PK at the least sign of trouble, but I'm not too worried about it.
One thing I am noticing: The PK has a very strong "up" effect on the PH. After mixing 5tsp PK & 2tsp v+b with 4gals of water, I have to add 1/2 tsp of earthjuice down crystals. FYI ej down is powerful stuff. Still having issues with the new cuts, but I'll pm you on that.
I bought 1,000 pounds of it. That should tell you something.
That's a lot! Right on.
yeah rhizo does the same thing , only worse , rockets the PH up into the 10.0 range lol
EJ cyrstals ? really ? that shit foamed up my rez when i tried it . & didn't hold the PH steady very long ..... i've been using AN's PH down when i need some . ( not often ) the shits so concentrated it literally takes drops to get the PH down instead of tsp's of downs like GH .
Protekt is & always has been my PH up .
Be careful with that citric acid based ph down.
You'll chase your tail using that stuff, at least ime.
It's a short lived down, you'll be constantly adding it back.
Since you're running inorganic ferts, use a phos acid based ph down.
I use AN, like Dan says it's very powerful.
It about the only AN product I use on the regular, that and ph up.
I also had problems with the citric based down fucking up my res.
It constantly went up and past my starting point, sometimes hours afterwards.
Took me awhile before I realized it was the ph down powder.
I've had similar problems with ej and gh.
You'll chase your tail using that stuff, at least ime.
It's a short lived down, you'll be constantly adding it back.
Since you're running inorganic ferts, use a phos acid based ph down.
I use AN, like Dan says it's very powerful.
It about the only AN product I use on the regular, that and ph up.
I also had problems with the citric based down fucking up my res.
It constantly went up and past my starting point, sometimes hours afterwards.
Took me awhile before I realized it was the ph down powder.
I've had similar problems with ej and gh.
I've always had good luck with the EJ crystals. I've always used them hand water or dtw, never in a recirculating res. I top my res 1-2x daily so the "drift" is very minimal. I may try the AN when I run out of the crystals, but that will be awhile. With v+b, I rarely have to PH anything. Only at very weak EC's, and now with the PK. I do know several people who've had problems running the crystals with recirculating rez's though.
mixed in the veg+bloom same level I do maxi, bout 34-36 teaspoons for 40 gallon. Also added 1/8 teaspoon/g of epsoms n 1/8 teaspoon/g cha ching (for some reason, it was beggining week 6 and found it in cabinet so thought might as well), 4 days later got me ec pen, was at 1850 u/cm or 1.8 ec. everything was boomin tho so i left it, gon check it tonight n maybe recheck ph n add some water, lower ec uh bit.
how do you like the cha-ching? I was thinking about using this as I have a friend who also uses it. I cant find much info on the webz about it. Thanks!
Joshua Ntr
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I cant speak for everyone but I have used it because Im in coco. It was my attempt at increasing my Ca to elemental number closer to my K because coco is loaded with K....from my understanding 70 ppms of K! IMO I only went to about 2 ml. of Cal Mag max. I had no ill effects but abandon the Cal mag when my tap water changed. I spray epsom salt on my test plant before using it in my V&B mix. I only require a pinch in my setup.
When it comes to Shine, +Life and PUSH, I would only use very...very small amounts and not go by the experience of other growers. There too many variables to account for to say what application rates should be used. In my experience flowering boosters are not needed but can be added if the grower finds a need. I like adding a little P at the beginning of flowering and use MKP as my source.....very small amounts along the way of week 6 and 7. I was one of the first against V&B but I dont regret the switch. I also followed the numbers and used other growers experience as a guide but fell to realize that the meters we were using were different. My conversion factor was .7 and other members were using meters with a .5 conversion factor. So I assumed Chris was not being honest yet it was my lack of attention and detail.
I used to use it way back in the day, would use the whole canna line and mix in the fox farm addatives open sesame beastie bloomz n cha ching at package times and recommendations with other nutes. I loved that mix, then I'd add straight budswell the last week before flush to bring out the natural flavors, then a 1-2 week flush straight water. It makes buds thicken up, but also makes um keep pushing out white hairs, so stuff seems like it keeps budding, can throw off your judgement of when its ripe but if u know the strain already its no big deal.
Heres a thread I started on it a while back...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=126923
I've been running the V+B Soft/RO for 3 months now in my perpetual. During bloom only. Long enough to see it beats all of the other nutes I've been trying. I use blumats so I can't vary the ec during different stages of bloom. No biggie, I run it at 1.3ec (1tsp/gal) all the way till week 8 and then leach for weeks 9 and 10. Fatter buds then I was getting with other nutes. I see a lot of people adding Epsom so I added 1g/gal in my 30 gal tank. Ec jumped to 1.6, I don't know about that. I'll keep a eye on things to see if that was a mistake. No reasons I see to quit V+B so I ordered another 5lbs
I've been running the V+B Soft/RO for 3 months now in my perpetual. During bloom only. Long enough to see it beats all of the other nutes I've been trying. I use blumats so I can't vary the ec during different stages of bloom. No biggie, I run it at 1.3ec (1tsp/gal) all the way till week 8 and then leach for weeks 9 and 10. Fatter buds then I was getting with other nutes. I see a lot of people adding Epsom so I added 1g/gal in my 30 gal tank. Ec jumped to 1.6, I don't know about that. I'll keep a eye on things to see if that was a mistake. No reasons I see to quit V+B so I ordered another 5lbs
I run blumats, and i vary my EC throughout the cycle. Anywhere from .3-1.6. Why "can't" you?
I've been running ro/soft with blumats for well over a year, and I'm loving it
Because I run a perpetual garden. I harvest every week and put more plants in every week. All in the same room I have plants that are in every week from 1 through 10. They are drawing feed from the same 30gal res. The only way to vary the feed and it make sense is to have like 6 more res tanks and main feed lines. Besides I've found very little difference between varying ec and not varying it. I handwatered with varying ec last winter. Just running 1.3ec now works just as good or better.
