any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[Lyfespan]

went to the source and now getting the same formulation as HD or better for less. its getting really bad on these forums with the product pumping, and exploitation of growers intentions to do their best, i sincerely frown on what goes on. but we all get duped every once in awhile and also put it upon ourselves chasing the dream, its just this time i saw the pole dangling my dream so...

i enjoyed the VEG+ and +size completely disappointed with the consistency with the product formulations and insoluble residuals left in rez. and the caking of product that left it unusable.

next huge battle on these forums is the GD silica products, and the exploitation of growers there too. let the trolling begin.

 

[stoned40yrs]

went to the source and now getting the same formulation as HD or better for less.

Well, are you going to share more info or leave us hanging.

 

[PetFlora]

went to the source and now getting the same formulation as HD or better for less. its getting really bad on these forums with the product pumping, and exploitation of growers intentions to do their best, i sincerely frown on what goes on. but we all get duped every once in awhile and also put it upon ourselves chasing the dream, its just this time i saw the pool dangling my dream so...

i enjoyed the VEG+ and +size completely disappointed with the consistency with the product formulations and insoluble residuals left in rez. and the caking of product that left it unusable.

next huge battle on these forums is the GD silica products, and the exploitation of growers there too. let the trolling begin.

Could be your mixing technique

Been using V + B for 2-3 years. I too had caking in the early days when I simply dumped it into the water

I adjusted my technique to follow normal science lab mixing protocols.

I use a hand held electric mixer and slowly add the nutes. This solved both caking and residue in the bottom

 

[brainzfuxed]

went to the source and now getting the same formulation as HD or better for less. its getting really bad on these forums with the product pumping, and exploitation of growers intentions to do their best, i sincerely frown on what goes on. but we all get duped every once in awhile and also put it upon ourselves chasing the dream, its just this time i saw the pool dangling my dream so...

i enjoyed the VEG+ and +size completely disappointed with the consistency with the product formulations and insoluble residuals left in rez. and the caking of product that left it unusable.

next huge battle on these forums is the GD silica products, and the exploitation of growers there too. let the trolling begin.

Very true. Imo seems like from basic observation a lot of stuff we read about on these forums is product pushing..makes it hard to see the truth and reality of these products. Makes you wish we had more transparency

As much as I would love to support a smaller brand and small business the lack of consistency and differing results are definitely a deterrent. And at the end of the day why take a chance and pay more money when you can stick with what you know works for so many? (I.e. gh products)

 

[Lyfespan]

Well, are you going to share more info or leave us hanging.

let me run the stuff first and see if its even worth mentioning before everyone runs over to buy crap with my name behind the suggestion

Could be your mixing technique

Been using V + B for 2-3 years. I too had caking in the early days when I simply dumped it into the water

I adjusted my technique to follow normal science lab mixing protocols.

I use a hand held electric mixer and slowly add the nutes. This solved both caking and residue in the bottom

the caking in reference is happening in the container while it sits. i mix my nutes with a dewalt 18volt cordless drill with a drywall mud mixer on it i also slowly pour the powders in as water is moving, im pretty adequate at mixing solutions

Very true. Imo seems like from basic observation a lot of stuff we read about on these forums is product pushing..makes it hard to see the truth and reality of these products. Makes you wish we had more transparency

hows this for transparent, i can get all my nutes for free if i have enough people influx order at this company, flat out told so. i spend 500-1200 on nutes in a month

As much as I would love to support a smaller brand and small business the lack of consistency and differing results are definitely a deterrent. And at the end of the day why take a chance and pay more money when you can stick with what you know works for so many? (I.e. gh products)

yes supporting the lil guy is great, ill even put up with the inconsistencies but im not gonna foot the bill for R&D.

with ordering from this new company which i doubt is any secret, i saved 200 bux on this months veg, bloom and ancillary nutes, that helps me out.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Could be your mixing technique

Been using V + B for 2-3 years. I too had caking in the early days when I simply dumped it into the water

I adjusted my technique to follow normal science lab mixing protocols.

I use a hand held electric mixer and slowly add the nutes. This solved both caking and residue in the bottom

I'm with lyfespan. A'int no damn way it's my mixing technique that causes the crap that don't mix up with V+B HD. I made a better attachment than a sheetrock mud/paint mixer. Mine creates much more agitation. I can create a huge whirlpool vortex that goes right to the bottom of a 30 gal barrel but I just mix in 5 gal pails and slowly drop the stuff in and beat the hell out of it. It is not technique, if you told me that it's something in my 150ppm well water that stops it all from dissolving, I might buy that as a reason. Anyhow I don't care if it all doesn't mix. It's not a drawback to me.

 

[CHEFfy]

I have a 360gph in bottom of 55 gal Rez, plus a big bitch sump operating my dramm watering wand all cranked as I slowly add 280g of V&B to my res. Seems to work well. After about 5 res cycles there is almost no sediment in the bottom of my tank. EC and ph are always where I want we to be. I'm happy!

 

[ICbuds]

That's all I do. 300sh grams in a 50 gal Rez, small pump on stir, effortless. Always rock filter bags in my pumps and shop vac the Rez after each crop.

 

[M.R.GT]

Mixing with a drill motor and a paddle seems like the hard way to me.

100 GPH submersible pump is the easiest way in 5 Gal buckets.

50 Gal drum just get a bigger pump.

Drop the pump, kick it on add your nutes. 5 min later all is mixed. No issue.

Ran kiss for years with no issue's. Did require all the amendments to match V+B results.

Maxibloom cakes just like V+B. All powdered nutes do. Leave a bag of maxibloom open in a humid environment and see what happens.

V+B is simpler to work with.

No hype!!! A solid product for those that don't want to hassle with all the bottles and liquid supplements to compliment KISS.

Simplicity at its best!!

 

[Flaxseed]

I mix V+B Dirty in a 5 gallon bucket with RO and a wooden spoon, no problem.

There are some clumps in the container but I smash them before trying to mix them.

 

[Lyfespan]

this is the new RO storage unit
and nutes will be pump mixed soon in these 65 gallon drums

veg, early, mid and late bloom drums 1 pump 8 solenoid valves with a raspberry pi sprink controller and app.

at this size i need things to be cost effective and easy enough to justify that cost

 

[stoned40yrs]

Mixing with a drill motor and a paddle seems like the hard way to me.

Simplicity at its best!!

Ya because mixing with my drill for 30 seconds is sooo hard. I ALSO run a 396 gph pump at the SAME time. How the hell would you know what it takes to mix V+B HD at my house? With drill and pump I get over 1 tsp that refuses to mix up in 30 gal. With just a wanker pump doing the work I get even MORE that refuses to mix up. Your experience mixing these nutes at your place with your water doesn't have jackshit to do with what happens mixing these nutes at my place with my well water.

 

[Truthful]

My V+B HD cakes inside of the container too, I've only been using it for two weeks now the plants are in coco and growing fast! I got a plant in bloom I'm feeding with it too, been running that cut over a year and she's looking pretty damn good. I've been hand watering 1/2 tsp/gal till I get 20% - 25% runoff. I have two seedlings from a cross I made in ProMix being fed with V+B too, watering those to 10% - 15% runoff and they're looking awesome!

 

[M.R.GT]

your not even worth the trouble. ASS

 

[dansbuds]

lets try & keep it civil huh guys ? this threads gone off track to many times already because of differing opinions .

 

[M.R.GT]

I was just trying to help.

Ill stay out of here. No problem.

 

[OrganicFarmer]

Here's some Buddha Tahoe OG and Sour Bubble looking good. Veg+Bloom RO, +LIFE, and some cal/mag+.

 

[dansbuds]

Looks great OF !!! hydro buckets huh ? thought you were a soil man . tell me a little about the buckets if ya don't mind . looks like drip rings & a site tube for checking the water level . how often do ya feed ? any airstones or anything in the bottom ?

kinda looks like something i'd like to get into , i just don't know the names of these systems . been doing some research , but its long & tedious .
i like 3rds & sprouts sentinal system .

 

[OrganicFarmer]

Looks great OF !!! hydro buckets huh ? thought you were a soil man . tell me a little about the buckets if ya don't mind . looks like drip rings & a site tube for checking the water level . how often do ya feed ? any airstones or anything in the bottom ?

kinda looks like something i'd like to get into , i just don't know the names of these systems . been doing some research , but its long & tedious .
i like 3rds & sprouts sentinal system .

Hey, sometimes you have to branch out! I'm running Tony's supersoil in my 4x4 with Dirty to PH my RO to 6.4 @ 220ppm.

I bought waterfarm kits. They come with the air lift tube and drip ring, and the sight level. All you need is 5 gallon bucket, hydroton or whatever medium, and net pot, one ecoair 4 way air pump I already had. The air pump runs 24/7 to have a constant drip. I change them out every week. I need to get a controller and rez and hook them together. Central fill would be nice.

This week they're getting 550ppm V+B RO, 1/4tsp +life, and 1ml/gal cal/mg+. I top off with plain RO and ph to 5.4 daily.

All you need are the waterfarm extension kits, Dan. You already run 1/2" tubing. All you need are the buckets and set your buckets on the ground. You'll need a chiller also.

 

[dansbuds]

ya think i'll need the chiller now that i'm in a basement & winters coming ? what temps do you keep it at ? i can see that in summer temps maybe , the basement so far has been hovering at 70 . i have tank heaters for my rez's when i was in the attic , cuz they'd get way to cold . but didn't need anything to cool them in summer cuz of the AC being only a couple feet away.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This week they're getting 550ppm V+B RO, 1/4tsp +life, and 1ml/gal cal/mg+. I top off with plain RO and ph to 5.4 daily.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]why so low on the PH ? they drift up that quick ? [/FONT]