exactly . I really hate plugging products. I never know if they will work for others as well as they work for me, really hope they do for you,
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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
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exactly . I really hate plugging products. I never know if they will work for others as well as they work for me, really hope they do for you,
My sourbubble vegges much faster with v+b than anything else I've tried.
feed heavy for the first 3 weeks (1.0 to 1.4 by the 3rd week ) then dwindle down from there after week 5 . i like a 2 week leaching (plain water feeds ) before i harvest & the last week of food is like half strength .
i'm done with PK boosters & hardeners !!! every time i try one , something goes wrong . i'm sticking to my base nutes for flower . i do so much better without the boosters why use them ?
I've only got 3 v+b runs under my belt, but I tend to agree. My best run was the first. v+b RO formula, no additives, never went over 1.6ec and a 10 day "flush". 2 runs with HD and +size, both good, but not as good as the first. Definitely switching back to the RO formula. After looking at some of your posts, I'm considering going it alone with the RO formula with +life @ 1/8 tsp/ gal.
On the feed strength: You're saying to build up to 1.4 by week 3, then maintain 1.4 through week 5. Week 6 go .7 or so, then plain water till harvest...correct?
Anyone else with opinions about using/not using boosters?
yup
boosters ..... i've tried PK13/14 , overdrive , plus size , & lastly early & late PK boost from MB ferts ..... i tossed them all in the garbage !!! every one of them i used at half strength & they either did nothing , or locked up my budset .... i'm done with them !!
Randall Stevens
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Damn IC you have this stuff down, would you in plain English describe your setup and methods? the two word post are bul shit help us out we use the V+B already so lay it all out for us please!
Yo aspen my filter spits out water at .2ec and I have been adding about 1.6ec to that in both fwok and coco/perlite 50/50. That's a total of 1.8ec. I have been aggressively top watering 3gal buckets. Aggressive as in using a garden hose and sump pump. Chris recommends .2-.3 ec of hardness for source water and never to use pure 0ppm ro. +size is .3 ec when mixed at 1g/gal but I have been giving them shots of 2g/gal every 3rd watering and in the next feed leaving out the +size and running the vb at 1.4 the watering after to rinse the roots. Working on all my genetics with a little bit of burn on a few but they produce fine with top shelf quality. I also have been using the size as a foliar in veg and weeks 1-3 applied weekly at 1g/gal.
Ive got a question for dans or anyone else who can answer. I saw a few pages back about the DIRTY mixing out to 5.8ph and rising to 6.5ph after 8hrs/overnight then holding steady. I want to know how the RO/SOFT in RO water will mix my RO ppm is 33, tap is no joke 1.2-1.3ec so I never use it for anything other than showering and washing clothes lol but anyway Ive been using Floranova Bloom in my RO (coco for medium) and never need to adjust pH after mixing I just mix to a target EC and water the plants but my ph meter is jacked up so I cant test myself what the RO/SOFT mixes out to ph wise if I need to worry about ph adjusting or not with this stuff.
I got the $6 sample BTW. Might just try it out on one lady tonight blindly but figured its good enough to ask to see if there is someone who could tell me what theirs measures for pH (I know it can vary but if you/we both use RO water should be similar I would think).
I got the $6 sample BTW. Might just try it out on one lady tonight blindly but figured its good enough to ask to see if there is someone who could tell me what theirs measures for pH (I know it can vary but if you/we both use RO water should be similar I would think).
The RO formula holds steady @ ~5.8 for me. It may swing up or down by .1, nothing more.
IME +size:
most of the stuff i run likes 1g/gal, 2g/gal for the hungry girls but never more.
depending on the media you could potentially buffer k until mid bloom and then yes, no booster, k is already available.
most of the stuff i run likes 1g/gal, 2g/gal for the hungry girls but never more.
depending on the media you could potentially buffer k until mid bloom and then yes, no booster, k is already available.
the stronger the mix is , the closer it comes to 5.9
at 1.4 EC my ph comes out at 5,8 & i just leave it there , it will drop to 5.6 or so after 3 or 4 days & i just ad protekt to it to bring it back up .
my veg gets mixed to 1.0ec & that comes out to about 5.5 & i use the protket to bring it up to 5.9 .
don't ask how much protekt cuz i don't know lol i just tip the bottle & give a few drops to maybe a tsp max . i've been doing it so long without measuring , i know jut how much to drip in
Thanks for the help EZ and dans. I should really get a new ph pen soon anyway but this will help me for now I think.
I was wondering if anyone else is growing SourBubble(or any other heavy feeder)? I'm finding that my SB needs to be fed quite a bit stronger than the 1.0-1.4EC that Dan and others are having good results with. I've run @1.7 in veg with no visible ill results. Once the plants are well rooted in their final 5L pots, they need at least 1.3-1.4 just to stay green and healthy. Last run, I ran @1.6-1.8 throughout flower, with a 2 week flush. Everyone agrees that the final product was great. This run, I've tried going 1-1.2EC in veg. The plants grew slow, and developed what looks like an N deficiency. As soon as I boosted the feed to 1.4EC minimum they started greening back up, and growing. Last run I was feeding them @1.6EC at the same size. 1.0 works well for rooting my cuttings, but not much else. I've been going to 1.2EC as soon they root into the 4.5"pots and 1.3-1.4 once I transplant to the 5L pots. Just wondering if anyone else is finding it necessary to feed this strong? I'm in coco/perlite, RO Formula/RO water, fed with blumats.
Ez Rider-thats the reason i stopped using these nutes,it just took too much of them to get my plants happy.it grows really good bud but at the amount i was having to use it wasnt worth it.i was using 115 grams of this stuff,AND the plus size,in 15 gallons of water just to get the e.c to a point my plants were happy.the 5 gallons wouldve given me about 20 feeds at that rate,had to drop it and move on.
it vegged beautifully for me,fast healthy,and it made my TK have a totally different stretch after flip that i wasnt mad about,but i also think it made more leaf grow then usual on most strains...its pretty crazy because i do like these nutes but they just dont work for me in my size room,like i said id use them in a smaller set up,i still have almost a full 5 lbs of each from when i decided to switch....maybe ill use them on a test run or tent or something one day.
peace-T-
it vegged beautifully for me,fast healthy,and it made my TK have a totally different stretch after flip that i wasnt mad about,but i also think it made more leaf grow then usual on most strains...its pretty crazy because i do like these nutes but they just dont work for me in my size room,like i said id use them in a smaller set up,i still have almost a full 5 lbs of each from when i decided to switch....maybe ill use them on a test run or tent or something one day.
peace-T-
I've been hitting 2.0-2.2 ec with HD and nothing but thick new growth. Even the GG. I do find that you must really water well with a higher ec and totally saturate your containers. I'm watering every other day with a lot of solution. Run off is usually consistent and things are blowing up. My water is .2-.4 ec out of the filter so I'm feeding 1.8 hd and .3 tap I guess?
Thanks for the reply. Good to know others are needing higher feed rates too. I measure rather than weigh, but the 1-1.25 tsp/gal I max out at is close to what you're using. FWIW, a 5lb bag easily lasts an entire 90 day cycle(veg/flower) for my 2.5Kw, 2 tent grow. What's out there that's significantly cheaper/easier to use? I'm running ~$100 of nutes per cycle. Nothing I've tried that WORKED was any cheaper, most quite a bit more. I did try maxi once, but it didn't work well with my water, tap or RO.
Thanks for the reply. My plants stay saturated to just short of runoff...all the time. I'm using blumat drippers, in a coco-perlite mix. I don't have runoff when things are dialed in. The blumats help keep the water use low(among other things). I'm starting to believe the low water use is why I'm needing to feed stronger. When I hand feed daily, I can run a weaker solution. I also tend to use 2x as much water when I hand feed. This means more food, even though it's a weaker feed. With blumats, my 2Kw flower room uses as little as 4, and never more than 8 gallons/day.
What did you use before the HD? I've done 1 run each of RO and HD formula(+life/+size with each). Currently doing another RO run. Trying to decide which I prefer. Both runs were excellent, so it's tough to choose. The RO seems to run cleaner in my res, but I'm not using the +life this time either. Both of the "+" products create a lot of sediment in my res, so I'm not adding them anymore. Seeing as the blumats' feeding line is only 3mm diameter, sediment is bad. I will continue with the +size, but only as a foliar feed. I see several people not using the "+" products at all, and getting results better than mine, so who can say for sure?
I just ran 4 sour bubble crosses & kept my EC no higher than 1.5 max . i did have to add some calmag to the mix which i don't usually have to do , but the SB are Cal hogs , but 2ml per gallon fixed em right up .
1.0EC in veg & 1.5 in flower & they were really healthy & happy . produced some really quality & heavy buds . in fact my Gorilla bubble cross won pic of the month for March
