any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[dansbuds]

that sux !!! good luck , hope it ain't RA's !!! but they're not all that bad to get rid of if ya do have them . pick up a bag of powdered DE & put a layer on top of the coco . it sucks them dry & kills them .


whatever it is , its just effecting the fan leaves & not the rest of the plant as far as i can see . if it was aphids chompin on the roots , there'd be more damage to the rest of the plant .

the first pic looks like the start of a Magnesium def & the second pic looks like a phospherous def on the fan leaves ...... could your PH be outa whack ??? check & calibrate your meter first & foremost .

 

[dansbuds]

not sure what plant that is , but it looks like GG4 , if it is ..... shes sensitive to PH fluctuations . if the PH is not in the right range she starts showing symptoms pretty quick .

i just went through PH hell here cuz my filters were going bad , my RO membrain was & the PH was climbing over night & it took a couple days before i noticed it . i'll show ya some of the problems it caused here .

Magnesium def .....

phospherous def ......

so you see ..... a PH fluctuation can cause the problems your having , checkyour meter like i suggested , just to make sure !!!

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[Tonatiuh]

ryt on....i switched over to the v + b now so hopefully that will help me get it sorted out.

also e mailed chris so i wouldnt have to keep blowin this thread up with questions that may or may not have been answered and i forgot...threads pretty long.
he got back at me real fast.cool kat it seems.
im in soil but i have some DE on hand...was gonna add it to next soil mix but i can pick up some more and do a top dress w this...
i calibrate my pen pretty regularly but i will check it again tonight.
peace-T-

 

[dansbuds]

Soil is a little more forgiving , but it takes longer to see the problems or the fixes .

 

[OrganicFarmer]

Great info dan.

 

[Mikell]

Anyone know what +Size is?

 

[Tonatiuh]

plants are free of bugs,thankfully!
was a little worried for a minute,
i started reading them pest threads and they had my skin crawlin

so all good for me and the V+B to get it poppin in my room once again.
ill keep you posted as the progress comes along...

one question,

how are you guys using the + life and + size stuff?

got an e mail from chris but it was a little confusing,seeing if you guys can make it make sense for me.
thanks.
peace-T-

 

[dansbuds]

Anyone know what +Size is?

Its a PK booster with some sulpher & magnesium .


I use it from week 3 to 6 at 1 tsp per 5gallons

 

[jav2043]

Hi guys
I'm mixing 5.5 grams of HD with 50 ppm tap and getting little under 900 ppm. Am I doing something wrong? Thought this would be full strength. I'm 3rd wk in veg.

 

[Mikell]

Its a PK booster with some sulpher & magnesium .


I use it from week 3 to 6 at 1 tsp per 5gallons

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Ah, I assumed the PK part, I believe they mention it on the website. Just thought there might be more to it.

 

[Alpha Phase]

I decided to start using the +size recently. I'm surprised it doesn't raise ppm as much as I thought it would. Here's a bud shot @ exactly 21 days from 12/12. Can you say frost?? I am very pleased with my results so far.

 

[jayjayfrank]

just tested the most recent harvest. burned smooth and clean. finally achieved the white ash color i was going for, feeling accomplished about that.

 

[Ez Rider]

Looking for a little advice

Looking for a little advice

I'm late to the v+b party, and I'm still working my way through this thread, but it's taking awhile. I started using v+b a few weeks ago. I just switched from the RO to the HD version. I also picked up the +life and +size. I've really enjoyed how easy the v+b is to use, and my plants have been looking good to. The v+b takes my water(RO) to 5.8ph every time, and my res doesn't raise more then .2ph between refills.

I was using the Botanicare PBP line, along with several of their additives. I had good results, but the mixing/ph'ing was tedious, and all those bottles take up a shit-load of room under the sink. The PBP also has a tendency for the PH to fluctuate. I'd seen v+b mentioned in a few forums, as well as a few members personally recommending it to me. My store gave me a sample to try, I liked it, and I just re-upped with a bucket of HD.

I'm in coco/perlite with blumat drippers, under 1K hps's. The strains are sourbubble and bogbubble...both finish in 8 weeks, both are heavy feeders. I'm about 10 days into flower. I'm currently running the HD @800ppm, and adding 1/4tsp of +life to 4gal water. I'd like some input on how best to proceed with the v+b in general, as well as the +size. I'm mainly worried about excess N if I run the base too strong in later flower. Worried about loss of production from too little PK if I run the base too weak. Sorry if this has been already asked/answered...but the thread is looong.

BTW: This is my current grow:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=297263

 

[dansbuds]

I'm late to the v+b party, and I'm still working my way through this thread, but it's taking awhile. I started using v+b a few weeks ago. I just switched from the RO to the HD version. I also picked up the +life and +size. I've really enjoyed how easy the v+b is to use, and my plants have been looking good to. The v+b takes my water(RO) to 5.8ph every time, and my res doesn't raise more then .2ph between refills.

I was using the Botanicare PBP line, along with several of their additives. I had good results, but the mixing/ph'ing was tedious, and all those bottles take up a shit-load of room under the sink. The PBP also has a tendency for the PH to fluctuate. I'd seen v+b mentioned in a few forums, as well as a few members personally recommending it to me. My store gave me a sample to try, I liked it, and I just re-upped with a bucket of HD.

I'm in coco/perlite with blumat drippers, under 1K hps's. The strains are sourbubble and bogbubble...both finish in 8 weeks, both are heavy feeders. I'm about 10 days into flower. I'm currently running the HD @800ppm, and adding 1/4tsp of +life to 4gal water. I'd like some input on how best to proceed with the v+b in general, as well as the +size. I'm mainly worried about excess N if I run the base too strong in later flower. Worried about loss of production from too little PK if I run the base too weak. Sorry if this has been already asked/answered...but the thread is looong.

BTW: This is my current grow:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=297263

the last few pages in this thread i've gone on about feeding light with the V&B & the high N content is basicly why i suggest feeding a much lighter dose than most nutes . for some reason if ya feed above 1.3 or 1.4 EC , the budset locks up & will not grow any bigger , they may fatten up a bit , but the dark green waxy leaves (N overdose ) are a sure sign that you,ve over done it with the nutes .

keep it below 1.4 EC max !!! & drop the EC back to 1.0 or 1.1 when adding the plus size & i run that at 1 level tsp per 5 gallons from week 3 to week 6 , after that i run just V&B for a week at 1.0 then straight water till chop on a 9 or 10 week strain .

for an 8 week strain run the plus size till week 5 then 1 week of 1.0 & then plain water feeds . i like to leach (normal feeds of plain water ) for at least 2 weeks so every bit of nutes in the coco & the plants are used up by chop time .

hope this helps EZ

 

[Alpha Phase]

I agree with dansbuds, I'm at 830ppm (1.2 ec) for a total of v+b and +size and it's working good. I don't see any reason going higher than this, though I'm in hydro and it's my first time using it, things are fine where they are and working well, plenty mean and green.

 

[johndoe123]

Flowered out with Veg+Bloom Ro version with +Size
Loud Seeds Loud Dreams

Female Seeds Pure AK

 

[Ez Rider]

the last few pages in this thread i've gone on about feeding light with the V&B & the high N content is basicly why i suggest feeding a much lighter dose than most nutes . for some reason if ya feed above 1.3 or 1.4 EC , the budset locks up & will not grow any bigger , they may fatten up a bit , but the dark green waxy leaves (N overdose ) are a sure sign that you,ve over done it with the nutes .

keep it below 1.4 EC max !!! & drop the EC back to 1.0 or 1.1 when adding the plus size & i run that at 1 level tsp per 5 gallons from week 3 to week 6 , after that i run just V&B for a week at 1.0 then straight water till chop on a 9 or 10 week strain .

for an 8 week strain run the plus size till week 5 then 1 week of 1.0 & then plain water feeds . i like to leach (normal feeds of plain water ) for at least 2 weeks so every bit of nutes in the coco & the plants are used up by chop time .

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hope this helps EZ

Thanks dan, that does help. One thing I'm curious about. When you guys are talking "ec" and "ppm" which conversion are you using? My meter(bluelab) has 4 settings. Two "ppm" settings, for .5 & .7 conversions. It has an "ec" setting, and what I believe is a us setting. The meter defaults to the .5 setting for ppm, which is how I've always used it. I'm assuming I could switch to the EC setting, and this would eliminate the conversion question. I'm just more used to thinking ppm's I guess. I'll be brave and set the meter to ec for my next top off. Going to try 1.4ec. I'm at 800ppm(.5) at the moment, and it does seem to be a bit much. Seeing some isolated rams horns, and some minor clawing. No sign of too much N though. If you guys are using the .7, then I'm really high(1.6 vs 1.1)...pun intended. Just a shade over 1tsp/gal is what I'm actually adding to my water.

Chris at HR advised me to keep upping the weekly dose on veg plants, until I induced some minor overfeeding. Then back off to the previous weeks feed rate. This would be my "max". He says to build up to the "max" in veg, continue thru mid flower, then ease back down. Opinions? Experience?

I forgot to ask: How much does the +size affect the EC?

I agree about the long flush. I went 10 days last time, and felt it should have been longer...different nutes though.

 

[dansbuds]

Thanks dan, that does help. One thing I'm curious about. When you guys are talking "ec" and "ppm" which conversion are you using? My meter(bluelab) has 4 settings. Two "ppm" settings, for .5 & .7 conversions. It has an "ec" setting, and what I believe is a us setting. The meter defaults to the .5 setting for ppm, which is how I've always used it. I'm assuming I could switch to the EC setting, and this would eliminate the conversion question. I'm just more used to thinking ppm's I guess. I'll be brave and set the meter to ec for my next top off. Going to try 1.4ec. I'm at 800ppm(.5) at the moment, and it does seem to be a bit much. Seeing some isolated rams horns, and some minor clawing. No sign of too much N though. If you guys are using the .7, then I'm really high(1.6 vs 1.1)...pun intended. Just a shade over 1tsp/gal is what I'm actually adding to my water.

Chris at HR advised me to keep upping the weekly dose on veg plants, until I induced some minor overfeeding. Then back off to the previous weeks feed rate. This would be my "max". He says to build up to the "max" in veg, continue thru mid flower, then ease back down. Opinions? Experience?

I forgot to ask: How much does the +size affect the EC?

I agree about the long flush. I went 10 days last time, and felt it should have been longer...different nutes though.

the plus size hasn't effected the EC as much as i thought it would , it only brings it up about .2 EC in my rez with RO formula V&B & RO/DI water (0 water )


i've gone through all that with the feeding & finding the sweet spots , but thats gonna change for every system . i've written out a basic starting point here to start from but the rest your going to have to figure out what works best for your set up & plants .

soils will use more but fed less often coco & hydro you will feed lower cuz they're fed more often etc ....


instead of feeding till you get burnt tips then backing off on the feeds like chris is suggesting , i tend to feed lower & feed a bit more if i see a def happening . to me its easier to feed & fix a def than it is to flush out from over feeding .

i go no higher than 1.1 EC in veg & no higher than 1.4 EC at peek in flower . i give a low 1.0 feed (1 rez full for 4 days ) after i'm done with the plus size , then i feed nothing but plain water for the last 2 weeks .
i'm in DTW 3 gallon pots of coco , fed every other day in veg & every day in flower .
but like i said every system is different .................

 

[dansbuds]

One thing I'm curious about. When you guys are talking "ec" and "ppm" which conversion are you using? My meter(bluelab) has 4 settings. Two "ppm" settings, for .5 & .7 conversions. It has an "ec" setting, and what I believe is a us setting. The meter defaults to the .5 setting for ppm, which is how I've always used it. I'm assuming I could switch to the EC setting, and this would eliminate the conversion question. I'm just more used to thinking ppm's I guess. I'll be brave and set the meter to ec for my next top off.

we use EC in conversation because all meters convert back to EC .some meters only have one set reading measurement , like ppms ot TDS , so we need a chart like the one i showed to know what the EC readings convert to . the ppms & tds are just readings of the EC . different meters read different elements ,PPM parts per million which come in the 500 & 700 scale & TDS total dissolved solids & EC . but like i said they all convert back to EC so its easier to help someone or talk about dosing , if we all use the same measurements .

i'm blasted ..... i hope that makes sense lol

 

[Alpha Phase]

My hanna constant reading meter is .7 conversion, but i've learned to convert to ec since ec is the same for everyone. If my meter is reading 700ppm I know it means 1.0ec. That's my starting point 1ec=700ppm. Then after that each 70ppm equals 0.1ec. So if my meter is reading 770ppm, it is 1.1ec, 840ppm is 1.2ec. Hope that makes sense. It's the way I taught myself to convert to ec recently lol. But if you're meter has an EC setting use that, it makes it easier for every one because we know what it means and there is no conversion.

Like the ornaments on your plants johndoe, nice touch! lol

Oh, one more thing @ ezrider - The clawing is N tox and signs of over feeding along with the rams horns I believe (i'm pretty sure rams horn = tox but not sure) so I would suggest lowering the nutes a bit. 1.2ec is perfect. I ran 1.3 and got the slightest leaf curl on one strain, since I lowered it everything is fine and happy.