alternatives to avid

[StankyBeamer]

Okay so you have all the facts to be a condescending asshole, but you have to ask me about the persistance of the secondary compounds? And I recommended orthene, didn't use the foggers. Used soil treatments on plants I didn't flower, before scrapping a grow, and cleaning my space, and getting new genetics. If you read the first post on the thread, it said not to clog this thread with talk of how nasty what I'm using is. Not what the threads about. Go look smart somewhere else.

P.s. my patient had a baseball sized malignant ovarian tumor, and was down to a bodyweight of 80 lbs. Was given six to eight weeks life expectancy by a Medical Doctor. Started taking my oil, immediately started gaining weight, having more energy, less pain, and instead of six to eight weeks, she made it eighteen months. So tell me again how there's no way to attribute that immediate improvement to the cannabis oil I provided. Makes sense.

 

[53A50N3D H3RB]

Okay so you have all the facts to be a condescending asshole, but you have to ask me about the persistance of the secondary compounds?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bro I am asking why you think that YOUR actions are safe.

You are the one who is spraying multiple ornamental oriented insecticides and then giving your produce to people with health issues.

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P.s. my patient had a baseball sized malignant ovarian tumor, and was down to a bodyweight of 80 lbs. Was given six to eight weeks life expectancy by a Medical Doctor. Started taking my oil, immediately started gaining weight, having more energy, less pain, and instead of six to eight weeks, she made it eighteen months. So tell me again how there's no way to attribute that immediate improvement to the cannabis oil I provided. Makes sense.

I didnt say that at all. Your becoming more irrational with every post.

I said you have no evidence that your "medicine" did anything sine your "trial" has no control.



I'll ask AGAIN since you dodge the shit out of my questions again[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you have an applicators license?

Are you applying shit meant for ornamental plants on cannabis?

Are you a "Medical" grower?

[/FONT] What metabolites of these insecticides are present?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Can the metabolites of these insecticides become mobile?

How about more persistent than the parent compound?

How about more mammalian susceptible?

How about blood brain barrier transmission?[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Dognponyshow]

Instead of treating your plants with the hard stuff treat your exterior environment with it throughout the year. Inside your garden start a Heavily regimented natural IPM program. After that all that is needed is for said grower to not be some hype boy moron and repeat the steps over and over again.

 

[Mikell]

Here's a suggestion, Seasoned. Start your own thread or pick up on one of the others to vent your feelings about these products.

No one here gives a shit about your off topic whining.

How rational does one look mindlessly reposting a set of leading questions?

 

[sdd420]

If you don't mind how do you make your oil?

 

[Bwanabud]

Wow, you guys play rough here...I'm going back to the poodle grooming site

 

[Mikell]

Wow, you guys play rough here...I'm going back to the poodle grooming site

All's fair if they're too dense to read the thread title or first post.

Off topic ruins the mass majority of threads on any forum. There are more than enough threads on the topic of how evil everything but neem oil is.

 

[Bwanabud]

All's fair if they're too dense to read the thread title or first post.

Off topic ruins the mass majority of threads on any forum. There are more than enough threads on the topic of how evil everything but neem oil is.

Hijacking thread..........check, won't do that here

 

[StankyBeamer]

If you don't mind how do you make your oil?

191 proof everclear. Grape spirits are too expensive, naphtha is neurotoxic, and, well, butane is butane. I liked the idea of food grade alcohol for a cancer patient. Steeped broken up buds in jars in the freezer for approximately an hour, strained, and evaporated. Then decarbed. Activation is key in causing apopsis in cancer cells, thca doesn't do it.

 

[expealadocious]

Never tried that one but i wanna try butane sometime soon. Shit scares me tho haha... does alcohol pull unwanted things along with trichs whe way iso does? just curious about that

 

[StankyBeamer]

Butane is way more selective as far as solvents go. It picks up fats, but chlorophyll won't make it into the product if the materials are dried enough, chlorophyll is water soluble and butane picks up a small amount of water, dragging chlorophyll with it. For cancer patients butane is a nono, dabbing it is nowhere near as bad for you as full on ingestion, and eating oil is how you treat cancer. If you want the best possible concentrate, get a buckner funnel, a .5 micron lab filter, and a hand operated pump. Blast the butane into a flask that has been chilled, pour into the buckner, pump it through the filter quickly, and then evaporate. This defats it without eliminating terpenoids, giving you the highest clarity and cannabinoid contenr

 

[expealadocious]

I wish man. Thatd be badass. im glad youre helping people

 

[StankyBeamer]

I try. The chems suck, but if my meds test positive for pests, disqualifies me from taking any of it to shops. I regularly test over 22% thc, always negative for pesticide residue, and always negative for mildew and fungicides. I use chems, but minimally and safely. A lot of people's contaminating their meds with these Chems is not knowing how to use them. If you just walk around the veg room spraying, it's gonna end up on all surfaces, and certain chems will get into the plant just from evaporating slowly over time. I made a curtain hanging over a plastic tub that I use whenever treating my plants, they go in the tub one at a time sprayed with the curtain as a back drop, so the chems aren't just getting sprayed everywhere. People can talk shit about my meds, but they don't know me in the slightest, so there's no point arguing.

 

[Bwanabud]

Sometimes you have to do, what you have to do...it's the lesser of 2 evils thing

 

[mtntrogger]

Nice thread Stanky. I have been following since the first post . I recently succumbed to the borg, (broad or russet ?) Its been 2 to 8 months now of researching products to treat these with . I HAVE been obsessive. I also spray in an extra tub, but an actual one in an extra bathroom. One by one, leaf by leaf. I was just about to pull the trigger on some Kontos after reading your and other peoples positive reviews. I HAVE NOT restarted growing yet. My main concern was my houseplants possibly being infected by these mites as well (even though they are in a different room) I planned on treating them with the Kontos drench style. I however could not locate someone selling smaller quantities. Then came across many reports of people saying it didnt do shit for them, I became discouraged. Ended up going with a couple of small vials of Avid and Forbid. Seemed to work for most peeps.

 

[mtntrogger]

Hey Expe.. , Try Looking up the rosin tech on here. ANYONE can make dabbable extract at home. It uses a hair straightener from wal mart at the most simple level. Works great !

 

[StankyBeamer]

Nice thread Stanky. I have been following since the first post . I recently succumbed to the borg, (broad or russet ?) Its been 2 to 8 months now of researching products to treat these with . I HAVE been obsessive. I also spray in an extra tub, but an actual one in an extra bathroom. One by one, leaf by leaf. I was just about to pull the trigger on some Kontos after reading your and other peoples positive reviews. I HAVE NOT restarted growing yet. My main concern was my houseplants possibly being infected by these mites as well (even though they are in a different room) I planned on treating them with the Kontos drench style. I however could not locate someone selling smaller quantities. Then came across many reports of people saying it didnt do shit for them, I became discouraged. Ended up going with a couple of small vials of Avid and Forbid. Seemed to work for most peeps.

Kontos had a mortality rate of 85-99% in a study done by a university ag department, don't have a link but that's the statistic I read. I believe it's working because the only plants I found mites on were the ones almost done with flower that hadn't been treated with kontos in months, all the veg room plants were clean. Also, it's almost identical to forbid. Forbid is spiromefasin, kontos is spirotetramat. Love the stuff. Nothings easier than adding a ml/gallon to your feed, no need to atomize it and get that shit all over every surface.

 

[mtntrogger]

Didnt realize they are that similar stanky ... Thank you for the all of info. Kontos is cheaper than forbid . Nice to know. I only bought a 1/2 oz vial of forbid, got a 1 oz of the avid. I figured I wouldnt need too much if used in rotation. May get some azamax and wettable sulphur for the collection. Still really curious about the Conserve sc (super concentrated spinosad). Will definitely use asprin out the gate. Plus I will be starting fresh from seed, and scoping daily. I wanted to settle on some serious measures to have on hand in case they hit. Never taken this approach before, but I swore to not re start the garden again until I not only had decided on products, but had them in hand. Also got a few space heaters to heat treat if needed, tough to do in winter up at 8000 ft though. Will probably start a journal next week if all works out.

 

[expealadocious]

Years ago I didnt wanna spend money on avid and got a vial of abamectin on ebay for like 10 bucks.
A small vial is like a lifetime supply of course.
Its definitely the mites worst nightmare...and it doesnt harm the plants either

 

[StankyBeamer]

Yeah my only fear is that the secrets out. More and more people use avid with no idea what rotation, moa, or resistance management even mean, I feel like mites are pretty resistant to it. The mini vials on ebay are a lifesaver, "gift with purchase of 6 $5 pipettes"