Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter over “Rust” death

[NewbOldster]

when I was a little kid I was only allowed a water pistol. and I was told I must never point a weapon at a person (or our dog). - Even though it was only a toy!!

First time I shot a firearm was a .22 revolver when I was 5. Dad gave me a .22 rifle when I turned 12, and I had complete, unrestricted access to it from that point forward. Still own that rifle today, and age 70 ain't that far away.

My (very strict disciplinarian) dad said he would wrap the barrel of it around my neck if he ever even thought he heard of me abusing it, misusing it, improperly caring for it, or threatening anyone or any living thing with it...unless I was culling our pig pen for a bbq or a rabbit for a meal. And he would have.

Alec Baldwin apparently does not/did not have the same concern for firearm safety that my old man taught me. His entire operation could have used some of that training, apparently.

 

[Lester Beans]

What I see is an incompetent female hired to fill the legal slot of armorer.

And an incompetent group working on a movie set firing a "prop" gun with live ammo.

And an entity properly described as an incompetent human being pointing a gun at someone not even in the movie and pulling the trigger. This human was also in LEGAL charge of operations for this movie.

There is one more dark bit that has been dropped from discussion since this broke: The dead lady had been about to publish an expose' that could have gotten Baldwin bad press or worse.

There's charges enough to go around.

It has nothing to do with male or female. She had the credentials to do the job.

I don't think people can accept an accident these days. Somebody always has to hang.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

It has nothing to do with male or female. She had the credentials to do the job.

I don't think people can accept an accident these days. Somebody always has to hang.

not checking the chamber , pointing the 'unchecked' gun at another person, killing that person... not sure if i would classify it as an accident ...

 

[NewbOldster]

It has nothing to do with male or female. She had the credentials to do the job.

I don't think people can accept an accident these days. Somebody always has to hang.

I agree gender has nothing to do with it.

Complacency and incompetence are not acceptable, however...especially where Safety is involved.
Labor Unions were formed in the U.S. at least in part due to personal safety concerns of workers.
Somebody, or multiple somebodies, should be held responsible for this woman's death, and reforms should come about that assure it isn't repeated.

Yes...somebody needs to 'hang'. Personally, I think the entire thing is a sad testament to a lackadaisical approach to firearms safety (which should always be at the forefront) with disastrous results. That is not in any way "acceptable", in my humble opinion...but only one person was holding the revolver when it discharged, killing somebody.

Accountability is not a four letter word.

 

[Cuddles]

not checking the chamber , pointing the 'unchecked' gun at another person, killing that person... not sure if i would classify it as an accident ...

if it was not intentional then it was an accident but one of those which could easily have been avoided.

 

[NewbOldster]

if it was not intentional then it was an accident but one of those which could easily have been avoided.

The fact that the culpable party refuses to accept responsibility for the entire thing is a bit disingenuous, is it not? Avoidable? Absolutely.

I caused a car wreck (accident) once. There were extenuating circumstances, but the fact is that I pulled right out in front of someone who broadsided me. I lost my vehicle (totaled) and got points on my license for it. Thankfully nobody was hurt, but I accepted responsibility for the 'accident'.

What do you call an accident when those (or rather "they who pulled the trigger") who perpetuated it adamantly refuse to acknowledge responsibility for it and tries to throw everyone else under the proverbial bus for their own action, which ultimately caused the death of another human being?

I have a word for such an individual, but seeing as this is a friendly forum, I'll refrain.

 

[Gry]

"if it was not intentional then it was an accident but one of those which should easily have been avoided.

 

[Cuddles]

The fact that the culpable party refuses to accept responsibility for the entire thing is a bit disingenuous, is it not? Avoidable? Absolutely.

I caused a car wreck (accident) once. There were extenuating circumstances, but the fact is that I pulled right out in front of someone who broadsided me. I lost my vehicle (totaled) and got points on my license for it. Thankfully nobody was hurt, but I accepted responsibility for the 'accident'.

What do you call an accident when those (or rather "they who pulled the trigger") who perpetuated it adamantly refuse to acknowledge responsibility for it and tries to throw everyone else under the proverbial bus for their own action, which ultimately caused the death of another human being?

I have a word for such an individual, but seeing as this is a friendly forum, I'll refrain.

I agree that the people involved ie those who were handling the guns and bullets should put their hands up and admit that they f*cked up big time.
That´s what a decent, mature person would do imo
Right now it sounds as though they´re all playing the blame game.
none of us were there. There could be a few details which nobody knows about - yet.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Well, at the very least, that armorer shouldn't be promoted.

 

[Cuddles]

Well, at the very least, that armorer shouldn't be promoted.

they can be promoted? Are there certain ranks?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

they can be promoted? Are there certain ranks?

There are now...

She's at the bottom.

Here, hold my cocaine....

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Well, at the very least, that armorer shouldn't be promoted.

i 2nd that emotion

 

[armedoldhippy]

they can be promoted? Are there certain ranks?

She's at the bottom.

between "intolerably incompetent" and "possibly homicidal". but.....what if it comes out that she checked the gun, it was good to go, and someone swapped a cartridge in cylinder when no one was looking? we're gonna look bad if that was the case...it will take a witness willing to testify...or...a confession. so far, neither has shown up.

 

[Cuddles]

between "intolerably incompetent" and "possibly homicidal". but.....what if it comes out that she checked the gun, it was good to go, and someone swapped a cartridge in cylinder when no one was looking? we're gonna look bad if that was the case...it will take a witness willing to testify...or...a confession. so far, neither has shown up.

yep, exactly what I keep wondering. But I have also watched a lot of Cowboy movies and crime shows
Hitchocks `Strangers on a train´ comes to mind ...

 

[Ringodoggie]

....and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
Twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
And a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
And arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'Cause Obie came to the realization......

that it was a typical case of American Blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it.

 

[NewbOldster]

between "intolerably incompetent" and "possibly homicidal". but.....what if it comes out that she checked the gun, it was good to go, and someone swapped a cartridge in cylinder when no one was looking? we're gonna look bad if that was the case...it will take a witness willing to testify...or...a confession. so far, neither has shown up.

What's this we? I'm not gonna look bad.

Guy holding the revolver when it discharged, striking and killing her might look bad, but I won't.

I seriously doubt it was a conspiracy, and someone slipped a bullet in so that someone else would be hurt.
I think it was pure laziness/incompetence...or whatever you want to call it. The real pisser for me is everyone trying to blame the other, in my opinion.

I was taught that facing one's mistakes, even if they cannot be corrected, was the honorable way to live.

I guess that just doesn't fly these days, eh?

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I was taught that facing one's mistakes, even if they cannot be corrected, was the honorable way to live.

I guess that just doesn't fly these days, eh?

baldy doesn't live that way...

 

[Hammerhead]

The hard part is not knowing all the facts of the case. From what I can read their both guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Balwin has already settled the civil case. I'm sure the jury will get asked this question. Baldwin also hurt his case by lying he didn't pull the trigger. It's a big evidence part of the case. It will be shown he did.

 

[iTarzan]

"if it was not intentional then it was an accident but one of those which should easily have been avoided.

Negligent Homicide and Involuntary Homicide are "accidents" that people need to be charged with a crime for. You can't drink or speed and kill somebody with your car. You can't have an overloaded truck or a non safe vehicle, kill somebody and walk away. You can't accidentally shoot somebody in hunting season, who is dressed in orange, kill them and walk away without ramifications.
You can't carelessly point a pistol and somebody, cock the hammer and accidentally shoot and kill somebody and walk away without charges.
I think this would be similar to speeding at 100 mph, in a car that wasn't yours and driving it only a few times and killing somebody in an accident. And the car wasn't inspected.
The person who was supposed to check the gun wasn't there but he decided it was alright to start playing around with it.

 

[Cuddles]

What's this we? I'm not gonna look bad.

Guy holding the revolver when it discharged, striking and killing her might look bad, but I won't.

I seriously doubt it was a conspiracy, and someone slipped a bullet in so that someone else would be hurt.
I think it was pure laziness/incompetence...or whatever you want to call it. The real pisser for me is everyone trying to blame the other, in my opinion.

I was taught that facing one's mistakes, even if they cannot be corrected, was the honorable way to live.

I guess that just doesn't fly these days, eh?

no, it´s considered ùncool´ from what I have observed. Pointing the finger and blaming others is `in´ and has been for a very long time.