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Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter over “Rust” death

armedoldhippy

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no, it´s considered ùncool´ from what I have observed. Pointing the finger and blaming others is `in´ and has been for a ver long time. :(
if someone else actually IS to blame, it's okay to point. i don't see how this will EVER be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as to who is actually to blame, if indeed one person is the culprit. spread the blame so thin that no one is jailed ? is that what this is turning into? sometimes the guilty go free. :dunno: how does that saying go?"better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail" or something like that. too many people want SOMEONE to pay a price, even if it's the wrong person.
 

mean mr.mustard

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. You can't drink or speed and kill somebody with your car. You can't have an overloaded truck or a non safe vehicle, kill somebody and walk away. You can't accidentally shoot somebody in hunting season, who is dressed in orange, kill them and walk away without ramifications.
You can't carelessly point a pistol and somebody, cock the hammer and accidentally shoot and kill somebody and walk away without charges.
I think this would be similar to speeding at 100 mph, in a car that wasn't yours and driving it only a few times and killing somebody in an accident. And the car wasn't inspected.
The person who was supposed to check the gun wasn't there but he decided it was alright to start playing around with it.

Challenge accepted smarty pants
 

NewbOldster

Active member
if someone else actually IS to blame, it's okay to point. i don't see how this will EVER be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt as to who is actually to blame, if indeed one person is the culprit. spread the blame so thin that no one is jailed ? is that what this is turning into? sometimes the guilty go free. :dunno: how does that saying go?"better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail" or something like that. too many people want SOMEONE to pay a price, even if it's the wrong person.
One person was holding the revolver when it discharged, and it was pointed at two other people...one of whom died. To what degree that individual should be held accountable may be questioned, but who was holding the revolver is not under question, nor is the fact that the gun discharged while that individual was holding it.

Personally, I think negligent, unintentional homicide of some type might could work, but I'm no lawyer, and I have to admit to a particular bias toward personal responsibility.
 

dogzter

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The girl wasn't even on set they're trying to blame.
🙃
Protocol dictates no firearms on set without her presence.
The whole thing was done wrong and it falls on the man in charge who was also holding the gun and pulled the trigger.........I don't understand the nuances I guess.
🤔
 

Cuddles

Well-known member
The girl wasn't even on set they're trying to blame.
🙃
Protocol dictates no firearms on set without her presence.
The whole thing was done wrong and it falls on the man in charge who was also holding the gun and pulled the trigger.........I don't understand the nuances I guess.
🤔
you´re right but who on earth got the gun out in the first place if they were meant to be locked up before ?
Or was it a gun which was not officially meant to be on the set? This is all so odd.
questions, questions...
 

NewbOldster

Active member
The girl wasn't even on set they're trying to blame.
🙃
Protocol dictates no firearms on set without her presence.
The whole thing was done wrong and it falls on the man in charge who was also holding the gun and pulled the trigger.........I don't understand the nuances I guess.
🤔
Maybe that's because like me, you don't understand the whole "pass the buck" mentality.

It all seems pretty clear to me. Man has GUN. Man pulls trigger. GUN goes BANG! Woman falls dead.

I dunno...it ain't rocket science...and if it were you or me, we'd already be serving our lengthy sentences, like as not. But I'm not exactly enlightened. What do I know? ;)
 

NewbOldster

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you´re right but who on earth got the gun out in the first place if they were meant to be locked up before ?
Or was it a gun which was not officially meant to be on the set? This is all so odd.
questions, questions...
It was apparently a sloppily run group; the man in charge of it killed someone, and now he wants to blame anyone other than himself. It was not intentional, I don't believe. He just won't own up to his mistake.

Only question I have is what will the industry do to prevent this from happening again?

Halayna Hutchins did not deserve to die. Alec Baldwin was holding the gun when it discharged. Lots of broken there, but the first step in correcting a problem is recognizing there is one.

I believe the second step should be accounting for errors and addressing them. Alec Baldwin needs to account for his lack of professionalism in running such a sloppy outfit, and his obviously disastrous mishandling of a firearm needs to be addressed as well.

I've been a strong 2A advocate all my life, and I'll die as one, but I'd beat even my best friend right into the ground* if he was to act recklessly with a firearm in my presence. That is simply intolerable behavior.

* (well...used to be I could do it! I'm old now! lol Still, I'd be all up in his face, fact)
 

zachrockbadenof

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It all seems pretty clear to me. Man has GUN. Man pulls trigger. GUN goes BANG! Woman falls dead.
ahhhh.... but baldy didn't pull the trigger..... he has stated as much.... so

Man has GUN.. Man doesn't pull trigger. GUN goes BANG. Woman falls dead... MAN ain't responsible..
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
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ahhhh.... but baldy didn't pull the trigger..... he has stated as much.... so

Man has GUN.. Man doesn't pull trigger. GUN goes BANG. Woman falls dead... MAN ain't responsible..

He probably did.

There are nuances but not one of us expected you to grasp one of them.

There's a person who was employed to be responsible but they don't have to answer for the responsibility apparently.
 

NewbOldster

Active member
ahhhh.... but baldy didn't pull the trigger..... he has stated as much.... so

Man has GUN.. Man doesn't pull trigger. GUN goes BANG. Woman falls dead... MAN ain't responsible..
Ah. He said so.
My ex wife told me "it's not what it looks like" when I caught them both naked between the sheets. On MY bed. Of course, they were truthful, too.
I don't know what I was thinking, to doubt poor gun-victim Alec's word. Silly lapse of judgement on my part. :rolleyes:
 

zachrockbadenof

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Ah. He said so.
My ex wife told me "it's not what it looks like" when I caught them both naked between the sheets. On MY bed. Of course, they were truthful, too.
I don't know what I was thinking, to doubt poor gun-victim Alec's word. Silly lapse of judgement on my part. :rolleyes:
shit that sucks... baldy is one of them 'special-people'..... if he was driving and killed someone, he'd blame it on the car..
 
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