Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter over “Rust” death

[NewbOldster]

is this not why there are professionals on the set in order make sure sure no accidents happen?
People playing with guns like they´re toys - a tragedy waiting to happen as is overconfidence.

Your example doesn´t explain much I´m afraid. One pulls the trigger but who put the bullet in in the first place and didn´t mention it or take it out again? they´re just as guilty imo.

It´s a bit like the chicken and the egg question, only with a very sad ending

I agree it's a sad tragedy. As to the 'professionals' categorization...well, I dunno about all that.

I'm a (retired) professional auto mechanic. I'm not a professional 'gun guy'. I'm not an armorer, nor a gunsmith, nor even an actor on a movie set in which firearms are central to the story...but my example explains the reality that the person holding ANY firearm is solely responsible for its discharge.

In my example, there were many mistakes made, but pulling the trigger to make the gun fire was only perpetuated by one person. That was the person holding the firearm.

Alec Baldwin has been around for many years, making movies involving guns. At a minimum, he should have known instinctively to clear the weapon before handling it. My daughter understood that concept at 10 or 11 years old.

He's doing everything he can to avoid responsibility, but the fact is HE pulled the trigger of a provably, properly functioning revolver, and a young lady died as the result of his irresponsible handling of the firearm, and he cannot lay that at the feet of another.

 

[dogzter]

Ok time is up thanks for playing.

I've loaded a lot of .45 long Colt.

I know that round but pointed out that it's not cap and ball.

You should read back a few pages.

I used the very fact that it was NOT cap and ball which leads me to think that the trigger got pulled.

Then there's a couple pages of bullshit.

I have plants to transplant.

Enjoy your day!

PS If you do finally see for yourself don't do it a lot. It can be like dry fire on the nipple.

PPS Giggity

The only one going on about cap and ball is you.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The only one going on about cap and ball is you.

I reread the whole thread and you should too.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I agree it's a sad tragedy. As to the 'professionals' categorization...well, I dunno about all that.

I'm a (retired) professional auto mechanic. I'm not a professional 'gun guy'. I'm not an armorer, nor a gunsmith, nor even an actor on a movie set in which firearms are central to the story...but my example explains the reality that the person holding ANY firearm is solely responsible for its discharge.

In my example, there were many mistakes made, but pulling the trigger to make the gun fire was only perpetuated by one person. That was the person holding the firearm.

Alec Baldwin has been around for many years, making movies involving guns. At a minimum, he should have known instinctively to clear the weapon before handling it. My daughter understood that concept at 10 or 11 years old.

He's doing everything he can to avoid responsibility, but the fact is HE pulled the trigger of a provably, properly functioning revolver, and a young lady died as the result of his irresponsible handling of the firearm, and he cannot lay that at the feet of another.

Agree with that but I have a feeling that not many actors check for squibs.

 

[NewbOldster]

Agree with that but I have a feeling that not many actors check for squibs.

I'm not an actor. I'm a mechanic. I do not handle any firearm without clearing it to MY satisfaction, regardless of the situation.
If I watch you clear a firearm and then you immediately hand it to me (safely, or we gonna fight), I will still clear it myself. That's just how I do it.
If Alec Baldwin had personally cleared that firearm (he should know how to handle it, if he's making movies using it. Cowboy gotta know how to ride a horse, right?), Halayna Hutchins would still be alive.
He can blame whoever he wants, but he was holding the firearm when it discharged. It did not fire by itself.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm not an actor. I'm a mechanic. I do not handle any firearm without clearing it to MY satisfaction, regardless of the situation.
If I watch you clear a firearm and then you immediately hand it to me (safely, or we gonna fight), I will still clear it myself. That's just how I do it.
If Alec Baldwin had personally cleared that firearm (he should know how to handle it, if he's making movies using it. Cowboy gotta know how to ride a horse, right?), Halayna Hutchins would still be alive.
He can blame whoever he wants, but he was holding the firearm when it discharged. It did not fire by itself.

I'm just saying that I doubt many actors are checking the barrel for stuck rounds.

When was the last time you stuck a gun rod down your buddy's rifle barrel at the range?

If you're that careful then consider carrying an empty chamber with all of your cap and ball revolvers.

 

[Cuddles]

I agree it's a sad tragedy. As to the 'professionals' categorization...well, I dunno about all that.

I'm a (retired) professional auto mechanic. I'm not a professional 'gun guy'. I'm not an armorer, nor a gunsmith, nor even an actor on a movie set in which firearms are central to the story...but my example explains the reality that the person holding ANY firearm is solely responsible for its discharge.

In my example, there were many mistakes made, but pulling the trigger to make the gun fire was only perpetuated by one person. That was the person holding the firearm.

Alec Baldwin has been around for many years, making movies involving guns. At a minimum, he should have known instinctively to clear the weapon before handling it. My daughter understood that concept at 10 or 11 years old.

He's doing everything he can to avoid responsibility, but the fact is HE pulled the trigger of a provably, properly functioning revolver, and a young lady died as the result of his irresponsible handling of the firearm, and he cannot lay that at the feet of another.

want I wanna know about this incident is: why were there guns about even though the armorer wasn´t? Why have such a person if everybody mucks about with weapons freely anyway? Are these armorers only there for decoration? That´s why I reckon it was sloppy and irresponsible by everyone who was handling the guns at the time . Trusting each other too much and lack communication also play a role I guess.

 

[Hammerhead]

She wasn't present when Baldwin fired the gun. Hall handed him the gun saying it was cold. All/Any firearm uses require the Aromorer to be present and they are the only person that can handle any firearms before used..

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Why have such a person if everybody mucks about with weapons freely anyway?

 

[Cuddles]

She wasn't present when Baldwin fired the gun. Hall handed him the gun saying it was cold. All/Any firearm uses require the Aromorer to be present and they are the only person that can handle any firearms before used..

yeah . but then WHY were the guns available for anyone to handle? That is the real question. If the armorer was not present then the guns and real bullets should not have been either imo .
Why do they hire an armorer when they do as they please anyway? I thought the whole point of having a pro around who takes care of the guns is to ensure such sad accidents don´t happen.

 

[Hammerhead]

Multiple people violated SOP for firearms..

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Not on a movie set. The armor has the sole responsibility for firearm safety. As I said it doesn't make Baldwin innocent. When handed a gun on a movie always check it yourself. This will not be an easy case for the jury.

fair enough... HOWEVER... from what i understand they were not shooting the film at that time, and she was not on the set... indeed not an easy case, but for sure the lady was killed by the gun that baldy was holding in his hand..

 

[Tynehead Tom]

when this story first broke I remember reading that during a break between shoots, baldwin and some of the crew were using the firearm with real ammunition , doing some target shooting.

Not sure if that has been covered as I didn't read the whole thread but that is what I remember from when the news was fist coming out.
If this is true, the armourer is guilty of neglegence causing death and Baldwin is guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
No live ammunition should have been on set and the buck stops with Baldwin.... A) being familiar with firearms and failing to ensure the weapon was safe. B) Being the producer and being responsible for everything that happens on set due to negligence.

 

[NewbOldster]

I'm just saying that I doubt many actors are checking the barrel for stuck rounds.

When was the last time you stuck a gun rod down your buddy's rifle barrel at the range?

If you're that careful then consider carrying an empty chamber with all of your cap and ball revolvers.

All righty then.

 

[NewbOldster]

want I wanna know about this incident is: why were there guns about even though the armorer wasn´t? Why have such a person if everybody mucks about with weapons freely anyway? Are these armorers only there for decoration? That´s why I reckon it was sloppy and irresponsible by everyone who was handling the guns at the time . Trusting each other too much and lack communication also play a role I guess.

I can't disagree.

 

[Dime]

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[armedoldhippy]

Not a lot of people shoot BP what are you shooting that discharges at will?

they can discharge without the trigger being pulled IF...something hits the hammer hard enough. some pistols back then, and all made now (to best of my knowledge) cannot be made to fire in this manner, IE- dropping them. Ruger has the best, the transfer bar safety they invented. there are still a -lot- of older pistols out there without a safety mechanism like this.

 

[RobFromTX]

I'm just saying that I doubt many actors are checking the barrel for stuck rounds.

When was the last time you stuck a gun rod down your buddy's rifle barrel at the range?

If you're that careful then consider carrying an empty chamber with all of your cap and ball revolvers.

Its not the actors responsibility to check for stuck rounds. thats what the armorers for . How many times do you think that hollywood clown had handled a weapon?

This is what happens when you hire teenyboppers to do a professionals job

 

[armedoldhippy]

i had an older Colt .25 auto (1950s) once. had the hammer down (like an idiot) instead of half-cock. knocked it off of my night stand in my sleep and put a cute little hole through my pillow, the wall next to my bed, and the ceiling in the next room. missed me by about 8 inches...

 

[armedoldhippy]

if everybody mucks about with weapons freely anyway

familiarity breeds contempt, and that causes carelessness, and that gets people hurt/killed. i bet folks on sets NOW are paying much more attention...