i think when this tragedy orig happened, i think the armorer was also charged with a crime..
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Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter over “Rust” death
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so far she (the "firearms expert") is refusing to address "who" brought live rounds. now i'm wondering if she's been paid to "not know".
maybe thats why baldwin is selling his ocean front cottage in amagansett... i think its 10,000 sq feet..so far she (the "firearms expert") is refusing to address "who" brought live rounds. now i'm wondering if she's been paid to "not know".
supposedly the armorer was also selling drugs to the crew and also had other legit duties on the set.
Cuddles
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guns n´drugs
the perfect combo
Brother Nature
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I'm no actor, but I have enjoyed fire arms in my life, anytime some one has handed me a gun and said it wasn't loaded, I still check to make sure.
Cuddles
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sensible!
I know nothing about this stuff really but can´t you tell the difference between real bullets and blanks somehow? Are they not marked in any way so you know what type of bullet it is?
It must be written on the boxes they come in, at least, right?
Yes you will see there is no bullet, just a jacket with a diferent colour plastic in the "hollowpoint". But you would have to be the one checking, as I understand the bullet must have been already loaded so you would have to check its safe or fire it to test in a safe direction, which he seems to never do. I think if he knew real bullets around he wouldn't have been so stupid to not check before shooting at close range (and even gases from blanks can hurt badly or kill close-up, this is stupid anyway), so.. dunno, this is really weird.
Cuddles
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this has puzzled me right from the start. Why did they have real bullets on the film set anyway?
Or was someone secretly plotting a murder and Baldwin (or any other actor) was simply being used to to do the job for them and kill the poor victim ???
Sorry, been watching crime shows ...
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Cuddles
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but what for if the bullets used for the scenes are blanks anyway ? none of this makes much sense to me
Just for the fun of target shooting with replica old guns
I agree the armorer was responsible for all firearms on the set. She is guilty!!!. It doesn't make Baldwin innocent.
Witnesses told investigators Hannah Gutierrez Reed “was drinking heavily and smoking marijuana in the evenings during the shooting of Rust,” prosecutors said in the Friday filing. Baldwin placed responsibility for the shooting on Gutierrez Reed and assistant director Dave Halls, whom Baldwin accused of not checking the gun before handing it to the actor.
If you don't have the experience to handle a firearm you shouldn't be handling one anywhere period. Having faith that someone else has made the firearm safe is an accident waiting to happen. Baldwin failed to do his own diligence making sure the gun was safe.
Witnesses told investigators Hannah Gutierrez Reed “was drinking heavily and smoking marijuana in the evenings during the shooting of Rust,” prosecutors said in the Friday filing. Baldwin placed responsibility for the shooting on Gutierrez Reed and assistant director Dave Halls, whom Baldwin accused of not checking the gun before handing it to the actor.
If you don't have the experience to handle a firearm you shouldn't be handling one anywhere period. Having faith that someone else has made the firearm safe is an accident waiting to happen. Baldwin failed to do his own diligence making sure the gun was safe.
I don't see how they can blame the armorer for the shooting when they said she wasn't there. The armorer is the one who is doing the final check and hands it to the actor. Baldwin said Dave Halls handed him the gun. People they interviewed said Hannah Reed wasn't there because they weren't actually filming. If they were filming, the gun would be used and she would have been in charge of the gun.
Instead they were just fooling around with camera angles to get the scene ready. Many people were are break. Reed wasn't there but the guns were there on a table for when they were to be used. NOBODY was to touch the guns on the table without Reed being there. But Baldwin had to have the gun in his hands to get the mood set I guess. Then he pulled the trigger and killed one person and wounded another. But by all means blame Reed.
Maybe she did smoke weed, maybe she did drink in the evening. But what she didn't do is check the gun and hand it to Baldwin.
Reed was not there. They were trying to use her as a scapegoat. Evidently non corrupt prosecutor has gotten involved and now it is time for Baldwin to pay.
It goes beyond accidental death. Baldwin and Halls touched guns they were not to touch. Yes it accidentally went off but Baldwin broke protocol and knew he wasn't supposed to have the gun in his hand without Reed handing it to him. This is more like aggravated, involuntary manslaughter not accidental manslaughter.
Don't feel sorry for Baldwin. He is an egotistical moron who thinks he knows more than everyone and is better than everyone.
Instead they were just fooling around with camera angles to get the scene ready. Many people were are break. Reed wasn't there but the guns were there on a table for when they were to be used. NOBODY was to touch the guns on the table without Reed being there. But Baldwin had to have the gun in his hands to get the mood set I guess. Then he pulled the trigger and killed one person and wounded another. But by all means blame Reed.
Maybe she did smoke weed, maybe she did drink in the evening. But what she didn't do is check the gun and hand it to Baldwin.
Reed was not there. They were trying to use her as a scapegoat. Evidently non corrupt prosecutor has gotten involved and now it is time for Baldwin to pay.
It goes beyond accidental death. Baldwin and Halls touched guns they were not to touch. Yes it accidentally went off but Baldwin broke protocol and knew he wasn't supposed to have the gun in his hand without Reed handing it to him. This is more like aggravated, involuntary manslaughter not accidental manslaughter.
Don't feel sorry for Baldwin. He is an egotistical moron who thinks he knows more than everyone and is better than everyone.
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one theory is that when they were fucking around shooting the live ammo while on break, the last round was a squib ( had no/low powder in the cartridge) and the primer barely pushed the bullet from the cylinder into the throat of the revolvers barrel, no more than an inch or so. then, when they loaded the blanks, the larger charge and wad in the crimped case built up enough pressure to propel the bullet like a regular round. but if you don't actually look down the barrel, you wouldn't know the lead was stuck in the throat. bad juju...freak accident (squib round), or carelessness (live ammo mix-up) ? who loaded the gun, i wonder...
That is a good theory. Whoever shot that last round didn't know that the target wasn't hit with a bullet? Didn't know that a bullet didn't come out after being fired? Then they put the blanks back in the gun and put it back on the table ready to be used. Even if this person was the armorer, which needs to be determined if she was even there when the cast was target shooting, she still didn't hand the gun to Baldwin. Him and Halls broke the rule of handling the gun without the armorer. The armorer could have still noticed the bullet in the barrel on her final check but she wasn't given the opportunity because she wasn't there.
Who loaded the gun is a good question. Who touched the gun when they weren't supposed to? Who pulled the trigger when they weren't supposed too? Who handed the gun to Baldwin when they weren't supposed to?
Why are people interested in Baldwin getting off or less charges than the armorer who wasn't even there? Baldwin fanboys, I wonder...
Who loaded the gun is a good question. Who touched the gun when they weren't supposed to? Who pulled the trigger when they weren't supposed too? Who handed the gun to Baldwin when they weren't supposed to?
Why are people interested in Baldwin getting off or less charges than the armorer who wasn't even there? Baldwin fanboys, I wonder...
