Albany Sour Diesel Clone

[Wolverine97]

it could only be epigenetic, growth patterns are affected from where you take your cuts. I don't see how they could be genetically different?

When I get time later, I will try to find it again.

 

[Wuachuma]

I'm going to have to do some digging... but I saw something a while back where someone was doing genetic testing on clones taken from different parts of the plant. The idea was to test for Somatic Mutations, "genetic drift", or whatever you choose to term it. They found that clones taken from the top of the plant had the most variation as compared to cuts taken from down low. So there's something happening there. I'll dig, hope I can relocate it.

The differing results was phenotypic plasticity caused by different areas of the plant having different levels of growth hormones. Auxins and all that jazz.
For example, the apical meristem and the bottom branches will grow lankier when cloned compared to the more compact growth taken from a branch at the middle of the plant. If you do enough cloning in nurseries you will notice these influences.
Things like feeding alfalfa, kelp, aloe, coconut water have the same influences on growth and expression

 

[Wuachuma]

doc D's Sour D x Dragon Energy
2 of em
The 2nd one has extremely long petioles, which I notice happens on extremely good genetics.

 

[Albanysour]

Sour

 

[BigDoob]

@iriveru idk who said I got cut fished, but it wasn't me. I've said that I got the Albany from the same place that Jay Plantspeaker got the Bloomington headband since I got her

I traded Albany for Chaco with hash nerd and honestly the flower isn't differentiable when finished to me.

 

[Wolverine97]

I would be REALLY interested to read into this. Keep me posted.

So my whole take on it is this.


The sour I may have. Have held for years, and give it to someone else, who then holds it for years in different conditions, maybe a different medium/lights/feed. Over time that plant "mutates" or "drifts" or expresses "plasticity" whatever you want to call it. All in all it's the same plant.

As we all understand it, this is an annual species, maybe it has something to do with keeping these annuals alive for so long. Just riffing here. So much we still have yet to learn.

I have tried to go back and find it but no dice.

I'm pretty sure it was on IG that I saw it, a couple years ago now. I want to say it was a Zenthanol post, but I can't swear to it. I no longer have an IG account, so I can't look there anymore. Youtube didn't turn up what I was looking for. But I definitely saw it, and they were doing gene testing on them, but I can't remember the specifics now. I want to say it was best to take your cuts from down low... but IDK...

 

[Wolverine97]

The differing results was phenotypic plasticity caused by different areas of the plant having different levels of growth hormones. Auxins and all that jazz.
For example, the apical meristem and the bottom branches will grow lankier when cloned compared to the more compact growth taken from a branch at the middle of the plant. If you do enough cloning in nurseries you will notice these influences.
Things like feeding alfalfa, kelp, aloe, coconut water have the same influences on growth and expression

I have no doubt that you're right about that, but that isn't what they were testing. It wasn't about phenotype, but actual genetic changes. Wish I could find it again...

 

[kro-magnon]

The differing results was phenotypic plasticity caused by different areas of the plant having different levels of growth hormones. Auxins and all that jazz.
For example, the apical meristem and the bottom branches will grow lankier when cloned compared to the more compact growth taken from a branch at the middle of the plant. If you do enough cloning in nurseries you will notice these influences.
Things like feeding alfalfa, kelp, aloe, coconut water have the same influences on growth and expression

That's interesting info,I should make an experiment with my next mother plant, I'll take clones from different part of the plants to see how they behave, trying to measure the internodal spacings, if there is some morphology difference in the flowers production as well. The different levels of hormones must have a direct influence on the clones that sounds logic;

 

[youngbuck1986]

Albany Sour Diesel, sourced from farmer Joe which ironically comes from the originator of this thread. How cool is that??

 

[youngbuck1986]

Here’s some more shots closer to the end. Kinda wild cause everyone says sour goes 11 weeks and this gal was ready to call it quits inbetween 8-9 weeks. I pushed her to 10 and she was well done by then.

 

[Wolverine97]

Here’s some more shots closer to the end. Kinda wild cause everyone says sour goes 11 weeks and this gal was ready to call it quits inbetween 8-9 weeks. I pushed her to 10 and she was well done by then. View attachment 19173381 View attachment 19173382

Growing conditions, style, and all that... so take this with that caveat; it doesn't look quite right to me.

 

[youngbuck1986]

The finished flowers smell like a chem to me when I smell the jar. I don’t really get much else but when I crack the buds open I get whiffs of diesel. You can smell it in there and I wonder if I can coax it out under some metal halides and will test that out next fall. I grew a smaller gal outdoors prior and she def expressed differently but the final flowers from that seem to be lacking. Think I took her waaay too long. (Nov. 9th)

 

[youngbuck1986]

Growing conditions, style, and all that... so take this with that caveat; it doesn't look quite right to me.

I grew her under a led which made her way more compact. The lower buds had more of the classic look. The outdoors one def looks way different

 

[Wolverine97]

Yeah I saw them both. I really don't think it's it, man. It doesn't really look like any Diesel that I have grown. It's possible though, could be just different grow conditions and led I guess... but IDK man. If I were forced to wager on it, I'd say no.

 

[youngbuck1986]

I’ve also grown the AJ “Philly cut” sour diesel and damn does the Albany look closely related. The AJ had more of a skunky up front, diesel back end where as the Albany I grew was just diesel all the way in smell. I’ve grown the AJ indoors and outdoors and although the smells coming off of her were tantalizing. By the time she hit the jar both times there was nothing left and I was heavily disappointed.
AJ done indoors

 

[youngbuck1986]

Some more AJ

 

[youngbuck1986]

The AJ definitely went the 11 weeks no problem. Pretty uncanny how closely it looks to the Albany. Kinda cool to see those 2 were related?? But not even close to the Ecsd, others etc. I’d love to try some of the other ones out eventually. I let the AJ go but hit it with some karma sour bx2 pollen. It was old pollen and only got 4 seeds but should be cool to look through. This has been a fun and cool thread and I enjoyed reading it and seeing everyone else’s posts.

 

[youngbuck1986]

Yeah I saw them both. I really don't think it's it, man. It doesn't really look like any Diesel that I have grown. It's possible though, could be just different grow conditions and led I guess... but IDK man. If I were forced to wager on it, I'd say no.

I’m just sharing my experience. I’ve smoked sour back in the day and neither of these remind me of that at all. I’d like to try an ecsd and out and see how it compares to these. I’d like to rerun the Albany under some HIDs and cut it earlier just to see what’s up. Overall it’s been a nice plant and I’ll hang on to it a bit more. Your wing wang looks nice btw!

 

[sturgeongeneral]

That aj looks pretty fire. Ive never ran aj or Albany, just chacos but that aj looks close to most sour I've seen. Just minus the round bulb calyxs.

 

[nepalnt21]

at the tips of the highest buds, it looks to my untrained eye to have those chevron calyxes i see in other sours but i also see how it has structure that kinda looks almost OG-ish (again, to my novice eyeballs)