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EasyGoing

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Jidoka, I notice your crops often look low in N. I assume you shoot for this. What ppm of N do you shoot for at the start, middle and end of the flowering cycle? The reason I ask, is the paradigm has always been low to now N during that time. However, I don't quite understand how one will keep the EC of the soil up without the N. Without the high EC, the soil can't perform well...... right?

I have been pushing N, and in one of my beds I pushed it too far resulting in low yields. However, some of the beds where I pulled off early, my yields are great. I have been finding amino's through week 6 of flower pretty much full strength. Your thoughts? Anybody?
 

jidoka

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That is a salt grow where n and k never exceed 70 ppm. It is based on ca and p driving growth

I would love to have the debate but I am not interested in hearing what you think of me personally. So ima pass
 

slownickel

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I have been pushing N, and in one of my beds I pushed it too far resulting in low yields. However, some of the beds where I pulled off early, my yields are great. I have been finding amino's through week 6 of flower pretty much full strength. Your thoughts? Anybody?

Nitrogen is the enemy of Calcium.

You are on the right path with the aminos. Aminos make calcium uptake easier for the plant. You can still over do it with aminos, but much more difficult.
 

reppin2c

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Jidoka-just had the same conversation with the hydro store owner when he said I needed more N. I guess if your plants aren't black they need more N.
 

plantingplants

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Sap. Nitrate alkalyzes soil (root exchanges OH i think), but nitrate as an anion in sap acidifies. So i hear.


Throwing on CM and BL is a great approach and gets you over half the way. I have been following the advice of Ganja Rebel, and really applying every method of fertilization possible. Top dress, liquid feeds, foliar feeds and even some mental feeds...... Just positive thoughts. I have found it near impossible to get my EC up without the help of top dresses. I have found liquid feeds are way too expensive by themselves, and foliar feeds needs metals in the soil to be effective.

What is your method of EC measurement and what do you shoot for?
 

EasyGoing

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I measure with a very solid meter and soil lab. What to shoot for is a great question. However I shoot for .7 and don't mind if I miss high. I try to stay above .5ec at least however. In flower, I have a hard time getting there with just Ca, P and K.

My brix has been staying in the 12-17 range. When I cut back on aminos, it drops down to 6 pretty quick.
 

jidoka

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Nitrogen is the enemy of Calcium.

You are on the right path with the aminos. Aminos make calcium uptake easier for the plant. You can still over do it with aminos, but much more difficult.

I totally agree. Everywhere I see high nitrate and K I see stupid ipm programs. Organic N is a different story
 

EasyGoing

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IPM = N and K excess? Really? Care to elaborate?

I wonder what people are using for IPM then? Maybe Agisil? And you are talking in flower right?

Personally, my IPM during flower is never NPK loaded. Mostly essential oils for me at that point. Regallia maybe. Been using Grandevo and Venerate also, but haven't messed with them in flower yet.
 

EasyGoing

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For comparison , this is one of my hoops about 4 weeks in.

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jidoka

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I meant high sap nitrate and/or K attracts bugs. And that forces the grower to use insecticides
 
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EasyGoing

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The case I will make, is I see zero deficiencies in my grow. Yours, has three leafs, purple stems and yellow leafs. You want to make a point on why your grow is a better approach, I am all ears? The reason I am asking is because I am slightly unsure and wanted to hear others opinions. So please, chime in people. Just poo pooing to poo poo is lame.

Anybody else have an opinion on what N levels should be in flower? In the soil in actual PPM's?
 

jidoka

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And since you know these things riddle me this. All anions compete yea? And P is the hardest to take up of the anions, yea? Then doesn't the sulfate in gypsum block the uptake of phosphate?

I have not figured out how to work around that yet. Have you?
 

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