Advancing Eco Agriculture, Product Science

[HappyTreeFarm]

I fear the pH and its effect on microbes at the concentrations needed. Don't know for a fact cause I have never tried it myself. But I ain't giving that advise when I know the other two work.

Then again I have never gone above a 1% solution of Accelerate, so what do I know

Thank you for the response. I'm not feeling like risking it. Yep the ph and the Ec seems like a cause for problems. I'm gonna reduce it down and add some Ca with it

 

[jidoka]

I never discount what Reppin says...he just apparently has bigger balls than me.

When I used it I would do a1% at flip, 1/2 that a week later, then 1/4 two more times.

You can also do 1% up front to help get roots started.

Slow is right though. When you start seeing nute bills for people harvesting or planning to harvest 500+ plants per day you start to think about these things differently. Million dollar a yr savings are possible

 

[HappyTreeFarm]

Yep, I get that too, if we can put what we need in the soil and reduce major input costs & also produce similair quality and quantity results. Why spend the extra $. I feel that some chelation processes have been done over years of lab work and should be considered. But most things we should be able to put together at home

 

[HappyTreeFarm]

they sent me an extra 5 gallons of the stuff cause it blow up on me, i want to use it. I'm gonna spray a branch on a few different strains with the 5% solution and see if it fucks them up. then I'm gonna reduce down to 1% and add Ca in my spray for the rest of the greenhouse, any other recommendations you guys have?

 

[jidoka]

https://customhydronutrients.com/biomin-booster-153-quart-p-776.html

So because most love high P soils so freaking much they will always need to spray micros. Check out this for your base flower micro spray. Somebody agrees on Mn

 

[plantingplants]

If you have water around 1.2 meq of alkalinity and pH 8, ifyou pHed to 6 with phos acid youd get around 30 ppm P. If alkalinity is higher you get more P for less pH change. So it might be a good option if you hard or high pH water.


It seems like biomin just throws vegetable amino acids into everything for chelation. Is that all you have to do? Combine sulfates and hydrolyzed veg?

 

[HappyTreeFarm]

https://customhydronutrients.com/biomin-booster-153-quart-p-776.html

So because most love high P soils so freaking much they will always need to spray micros. Check out this for your base flower micro spray. Somebody agrees on Mn

nice blend thx Jidoka and yes my P still needs to come down and also Ph is still high so micros are a must

 

[jidoka]

If you have water around 1.2 meq of alkalinity and pH 8, ifyou pHed to 6 with phos acid youd get around 30 ppm P. If alkalinity is higher you get more P for less pH change. So it might be a good option if you hard or high pH water.


It seems like biomin just throws vegetable amino acids into everything for chelation. Is that all you have to do? Combine sulfates and hydrolyzed veg?

Biomin refines that veg protein down to glycine only. Compare it to ferti nitro for an answer to your question

https://customhydronutrients.com/biomin-c-36_165_360.html

 

[reppin2c]

I don't know about bigger balls then the next guy but behind more then next guy and need to go hard to catch up....totally my style.

Deps are over full

 

[plantingplants]

Nice reppin

So aminos or fulvic for chelation? Are there any commercial fulvic metal chelates?

 

[jidoka]

Aea salutes are fulvic.

Better make em yourself

 

[HappyTreeFarm]

Im right there too reppin time to get caught up. persistence on a bumpy road leads to results




No idea how to post these vertically, but I'm not gonna waste anymore time trying.

Both amino and Fulvic are good to have and use
Rebound Moly is chelated with fulvic among others. some of these companies that sell amino chelated minerals also use organic acids in their mix. Way cheaper to make fulvic chelates them at home

All this research I've been doing and shared knowledge through here. has really brought a higher level of understanding to my horticulture practice.

I still feel I'm short on the metals though in my greenhouse. I'm afraid to go to high a dose with the Micropak I'm using. I've followed the recommend on the label but still feel I'm behind. You guys have any application recommendations for MicroPak? Maybe I'm just not boosting them enough, with fear of the burn.....

I appreciate all you guys on here, i hope we all crush it this year!

 

[plantingplants]

Happytree, nice gh. Ive used micropak at 7.5ml a gal no problem but idk if thats low or high.

So glycine is $10 a lb. Why not add it all! Im going to make a micro concentrate for foliar and just throw in humic, fulvic, citric, and glycine.

What makes liquid biomin calcium dark though? I dont recall hydrolyzed veg protein being dark at all...

 

[orechron]

Maillard reaction. They plants want a very specific flavor profile before they open up their stomata to consume JH biotech. Picky bastards.

 

[plantingplants]

Ok but doesnt the maillard reaction only occur in absence of moisture? You cant obtain it through boiling a steak at 300 degrees... you sear it in a pan and the quicker you remove moisture from the surface of the steak the quicker that reaction can occur. Thats why its best to pat your steaks dry before searing....


Edit: what am i thinking... They must be cooking the dry hydrolyzed veg protein. Obviously not heating the liquid. So thats pretty cool but wtf? Why? Isnt glycine the ideal amino since its smallest? Why create a bunch of random compounds? Orechron do you have a link about any of this?

 

[jidoka]

Shotgun approaches are rarely effective. What about interactions? Ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish and what is the least you do to get that done. You are going to end up chasing your tail

 

[plantingplants]

Ive wondered the same thing about throwing the kitchen sink in a foliar, or even adding every single metal in one foliar.

Youre right. Im just trying to get metal into plant. Whats the point of using all when one works fine? Well which do you choose?

Im going to guess that albion ca is also chelated with browned HVP considering its smell?

 

[jidoka]

Sorry, I am trialing 2 things that aren't my idea. Not mine to share.

But, for metals, fulvic works fine

 

[plantingplants]

No worries.

 

[orechron]

Planting, that was my sorry attempt at a plant science joke. I don't know what makes it darker but as Jidoka has pointed out before there are probably other things added to these products than just glycine.