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a ppk for a 6 plant limit
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Trying to locate the 3.5gal feed pan and having a hard tome, where did you get yours?
I googled 3.5 gal feed pan but mostly got the rubber ones. Tractor Supply has the 7gal ones but 3.5 are all rubber.
You don't want that 3.5 gallon feed pan. As d9 stated above the hydraulics don't work so well with the shallow depth of the pan. My results suffered after switching to that setup.
Miraculous Meds
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If u want to go with less medium, u can use a 3.5 gal bucket on 3.5 gal bucket. its about 21.5" tall or so.
In fact id recommend it in a tent, when ur target weight is probably around 500g a plant, n that much medium can easily get double that.
With that 7' ceiling, u can grow a plant just over 5', which is the perfect height for a 1k double stack.
The 3.5 on 3.5 is very solid. Plus ur screen will hold the plant in place anyway.
av8or
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I use the KMD 102 feed bucket from tuff stuff. It's 7 bucks at the farm supply store. That sits on a 3.5 gallon bucket (the smaller version of a typical 5 gallon bucket). It's 17" tall at the top of the media. It is not tipsy. I have a 9 foot wide plant on one that I just put a cage on to support bud, not to keep it upright. It'll stay up on its own. One thing I will say for perlite, you have to support your plant more. The turface keeps the plant upright easier. I'm using a 50/50 mix now. It holds water than straight perlite and drains faster than straight turface. I'm no longer screening the turface, either. Just washing it till it runs clear. I have another flower room with 12 of the 3.5 gallon buckets on top of another 3.5 gallon bucket. I'm harvesting 1.5 to 2 pound plants out of those. I know of a 3.5 pounder harvested out of one from an OG ppker.
Perspective: we're discussing a difference of $5-7 dollars per plant in media difference between the pot sizes. Considering the size harvest you can pull from even the smallest of our typical setups, cost of media is an absolute non issue. That being said, I'd go with a 7 on 3.5 for most any application. It's the shortest and none of you are growing over 5 pounds indoor yet so it'll work for you. I'm finding the 7 gallon to be a hair small for this 5-6 pound attempt right now.
Perspective: we're discussing a difference of $5-7 dollars per plant in media difference between the pot sizes. Considering the size harvest you can pull from even the smallest of our typical setups, cost of media is an absolute non issue. That being said, I'd go with a 7 on 3.5 for most any application. It's the shortest and none of you are growing over 5 pounds indoor yet so it'll work for you. I'm finding the 7 gallon to be a hair small for this 5-6 pound attempt right now.
Has this changed your feeding schedule from what I think you said when you were using just perlite - 1 quart every 45-60 minutes? Or was it 1 qt every 15 minutes??
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Thanks for insight about 50/50 perlite/turface.
When you say 3.5 bucket on a 3.5 bucket. Are you saying bottom 3.5 gal bucket with a lid than another 3.5 bucket on top (same size)? Or are you talking about a 3.5 gal bucket with a 3.5gal feed pan?
In the picture on the last page, is it a 7gal feed pan on top of that 3.5gal bucket?
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Miraculous Meds
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Yes to both. Now d9 already has told u, u can get 2lbers out of 2.5 gallons of medium, using a 3.5 gal bucket as a pot, only filled 7" high.
I believe u said u were going to do 2 1000w's stacked with ichy screens right? 4 plants per? So that's 500w per plant average. That's only shooting for over a lb plant basically. If u kill it, a 2 lb plant. The 3.5 gallon buckets for pots will be a great choice for u. the 7 gallon feed pans would be a better choice if u were using more light n wanted to try n get 3 to 6lb plants.
Get the 3.5 gal feed pan out of ur head. They are obsolete for this as the last 3 or 4 people have told u. there too shallow to get the right hydraulic action from the system. So use the 7 gal tubs for a lower profile if u want, but they are like 20" wide, and that might suck for being inside ur tent. that's why I said id use the 3.5 g buckets if I were u.
av8or
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The first picture is from a while back. It is a 3.5 on a 3.5 gallon bucket. Some of you old heads may recognize this picture. It's the handiwork of D9.
The second picture is a 70 quart muck tub with a 7 gallon feed tub recessed inside. This is a taller application but I still got two pounds off that plant (yeah, that's me, the jackass). I'm 5'9" on a good day so use that for reference. Main point being, ceiling height is NOT a factor in bucket selection nearly as much as light arrangement is (for ceiling height).
In my old room where that two pounder was grown, I had 8 plants with a total of 3900 watts, so just under 500 watts per plant. The particular setup I used unevenly lit most of the plants. I had four plants lit in two sides, two lit on three sides and two lit on four sides. The two pounder was, you guessed it, lit on all four sides with 600's dangling vertically around it. The average yield over the perpetual course of 17 harvests was 19.6 ounces per plant, or 1.14 gpw if you care about that arbitrary metric.
For those of you looking for an exact system to copy and essentially "set it and forget it," then truly....just copy one of use that's doing pretty well. For some people it takes doing it a time or two to have the proverbial light bulb turn on to the point they can take the PPK theory and apply it with any bucket combination.
Here are a couple notes I've found helpful:
6-7" of media in any bucket seems to work great for our feed regimen.
Pulsing or flooding makes little difference in yield. It's a media or pump dependent decision.
Money is best spent on a tightly sealed and perfectly controlled environment for your grow room. Start perfect and you'll never see powdery mildew or bud rot.
Treat your room like it's always infested with bugs. I don't care who you are, you will bring pests into your garden at some point. It's not if, but when. As they say...an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. To paraphrase D9, "We aren't running a weed hospital. We're producing commercial monsters as fast as they can grow."
There's no "right way" to grow but there are most definitely wrong ways. Please read, research and believe the countless organic chem and biology books that have taught us exactly how plants operate. It blows my mind the amound of snake oils being sold to new growers (and old growers who never bothered to learn what they're actually doing). Some of you probably don't like this comment but again, if I can grow multiple pound plants in these tiny buckets with THC content greater than 30% on a couple strains and nothing lower than 25%....all the crap they sell you in jugs at the grow shop doesn't seem to be hurting me that I'm not using any of it. Just jacks. That's it. Of course, the argument could me, "Well asshole, if you tried some of my fancy sugar sauce in your nutes maybe you'd have even better bud!" Eh....doubt it. But I'm not the Creator so I don't know everything. Maybe it's possible but these organic chem and biology textbooks seem pretty adamant about nutrient uptake.
Newbs (like me a year ago), if you see someone growing plants that you really like, then copy exactly what they do until you figure out what you're doing. It doesn't take long. A perpetual setup is a great learning tool but it does take more patience as you'll not harvest as much as fast initially. I still run perpetual with no bug problems. Again, focus on building a great room, however small it may be. DO NOT FILL THE ENTIRE ROOM WITH PLANT MATERIAL. All caps, but most of you newbs will disregard this and get mold and mildew all over your shit. A while back I told a guy not to put 47 plants in a 10x17 foot room. He did it anyway and lost every single plant to mold. Too much plant in a room means too much moisture and not enough air flow to control it. Even a massive dehuey won't dehumidify undernear the canopy if it's covered the entire room. Up top everything will look great and underneath it'll be rotting to death. I've seen it and it's needless. Less is more. It seems counterintuitive but it's true. It's much better to have a half pound of amazing herb than a whole pound of moldy product.
Sorry for the rant this morning! With all the help I got getting started, I wish someone would have told me a couple of these things. Of course, we're always learning more and evolving the device to maximize the ppk potential. The principle remains the same, though. Alright....off to work on another flower room. Until next time, PPKers!
The second picture is a 70 quart muck tub with a 7 gallon feed tub recessed inside. This is a taller application but I still got two pounds off that plant (yeah, that's me, the jackass). I'm 5'9" on a good day so use that for reference. Main point being, ceiling height is NOT a factor in bucket selection nearly as much as light arrangement is (for ceiling height).
In my old room where that two pounder was grown, I had 8 plants with a total of 3900 watts, so just under 500 watts per plant. The particular setup I used unevenly lit most of the plants. I had four plants lit in two sides, two lit on three sides and two lit on four sides. The two pounder was, you guessed it, lit on all four sides with 600's dangling vertically around it. The average yield over the perpetual course of 17 harvests was 19.6 ounces per plant, or 1.14 gpw if you care about that arbitrary metric.
For those of you looking for an exact system to copy and essentially "set it and forget it," then truly....just copy one of use that's doing pretty well. For some people it takes doing it a time or two to have the proverbial light bulb turn on to the point they can take the PPK theory and apply it with any bucket combination.
Here are a couple notes I've found helpful:
6-7" of media in any bucket seems to work great for our feed regimen.
Pulsing or flooding makes little difference in yield. It's a media or pump dependent decision.
Money is best spent on a tightly sealed and perfectly controlled environment for your grow room. Start perfect and you'll never see powdery mildew or bud rot.
Treat your room like it's always infested with bugs. I don't care who you are, you will bring pests into your garden at some point. It's not if, but when. As they say...an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. To paraphrase D9, "We aren't running a weed hospital. We're producing commercial monsters as fast as they can grow."
There's no "right way" to grow but there are most definitely wrong ways. Please read, research and believe the countless organic chem and biology books that have taught us exactly how plants operate. It blows my mind the amound of snake oils being sold to new growers (and old growers who never bothered to learn what they're actually doing). Some of you probably don't like this comment but again, if I can grow multiple pound plants in these tiny buckets with THC content greater than 30% on a couple strains and nothing lower than 25%....all the crap they sell you in jugs at the grow shop doesn't seem to be hurting me that I'm not using any of it. Just jacks. That's it. Of course, the argument could me, "Well asshole, if you tried some of my fancy sugar sauce in your nutes maybe you'd have even better bud!" Eh....doubt it. But I'm not the Creator so I don't know everything. Maybe it's possible but these organic chem and biology textbooks seem pretty adamant about nutrient uptake.
Newbs (like me a year ago), if you see someone growing plants that you really like, then copy exactly what they do until you figure out what you're doing. It doesn't take long. A perpetual setup is a great learning tool but it does take more patience as you'll not harvest as much as fast initially. I still run perpetual with no bug problems. Again, focus on building a great room, however small it may be. DO NOT FILL THE ENTIRE ROOM WITH PLANT MATERIAL. All caps, but most of you newbs will disregard this and get mold and mildew all over your shit. A while back I told a guy not to put 47 plants in a 10x17 foot room. He did it anyway and lost every single plant to mold. Too much plant in a room means too much moisture and not enough air flow to control it. Even a massive dehuey won't dehumidify undernear the canopy if it's covered the entire room. Up top everything will look great and underneath it'll be rotting to death. I've seen it and it's needless. Less is more. It seems counterintuitive but it's true. It's much better to have a half pound of amazing herb than a whole pound of moldy product.
Sorry for the rant this morning! With all the help I got getting started, I wish someone would have told me a couple of these things. Of course, we're always learning more and evolving the device to maximize the ppk potential. The principle remains the same, though. Alright....off to work on another flower room. Until next time, PPKers!
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Thank you very much av8or.
That is a lot of info that is needed in one post.
Sorry MMeds for pissing you off....
With grazing in and out of a few PPK threads (not seeing one I would like to duplicate) I get a little confused on what has been said and what is law now in PPK land. Mckush had tried to make a thread simplifying all threads which did help.
That is a lot of info that is needed in one post.
Sorry MMeds for pissing you off....
With grazing in and out of a few PPK threads (not seeing one I would like to duplicate) I get a little confused on what has been said and what is law now in PPK land. Mckush had tried to make a thread simplifying all threads which did help.Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Sorry if I came off like a dick, Blah. Didn't mean to. I was just trying to drive home the points u asked about, cause it seemed they have been answered, n I wanted it to be clear for u to move forward. But please don't let me stop u from asking away, theres several people on this thread that are very kind n will get u pointed in the right direction.
I thought I answered ur questions for u very clearly though, n with details of why. I hope it helped. gl
I thought I answered ur questions for u very clearly though, n with details of why. I hope it helped. gl
It's all good...
I just returned 24 square 4 gal buckets (Was going to start another UC)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=324207
I am/will order 50-3.5gal buckets and 25 lids. To start my own PPk buckets. I will start a thread to educate myself and others that might want to take this awesome system on
Excited to start building. Too bad. I all ready bought 4 ap100's (air Pump) and 4- magdrive1200's...I hope I can use at least the water pumps...I think I will put ball valves on each bucket. Seems to be the norm.
av8or
Member
It's all good...
I just returned 24 square 4 gal buckets (Was going to start another UC)
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=324207
I am/will order 50-3.5gal buckets and 25 lids. To start my own PPk buckets. I will start a thread to educate myself and others that might want to take this awesome system on
Excited to start building. Too bad. I all ready bought 4 ap100's (air Pump) and 4- magdrive1200's...I hope I can use at least the water pumps...I think I will put ball valves on each bucket. Seems to be the norm.
Your own thread is a great idea once your build starts. I'll definitely be on board for that! You can also use the pumps, no problem. I'm running a 12 site veg system with a 2400 gph Mag drive. I'm going to use another one to the same system when I expand the veg to 24 sites. If you don't want to use ball valves, use a pvc line with the pumps pressurizing it. Then tap the line with your halo whips. As long as the whips are the same length, you'll have equal feed.
Do you guys use schedule 40 pvc or 20? I think when I read the thread where you did this you used 40 but can't find it again.
av8or
Member
Disaster, Will Robinson! So, lesson learned here: you can outgrow your ppk site. I was wondering how long I could go in a seven gallon pot. Now I know. So today, after she started showing signs of general pissed offedness, I transplanted her into a 15 gallon tub of the same manufacturer and shape. Just a scaled up version. Shaved the root ball on all sides except the top, and we're back in business. We'll see if she turns around. This is what happens when you neglect a plant for months at a time. They get huge and angry.
(For reference, that big kid under there is 5'9" 225 lbs)
(For reference, that big kid under there is 5'9" 225 lbs)
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