a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[Snook]

Oregon is changing regs and definitions to the cannabis laws once again. Looking like the indoor medical plant is limited to 6 pounds. Haha! I'm going to start a thread in a week or two titled, "a ppk for a six pound limit" then grow a single six pound plant in a room. There. I've said it. Now I better do it. It's only three times bigger than my biggest so far.

setting the bar higher. allot higher.

when?

 

[RckyMtRdnk]

Oregon is changing regs and definitions to the cannabis laws once again. Looking like the indoor medical plant is limited to 6 pounds. Haha! I'm going to start a thread in a week or two titled, "a ppk for a six pound limit" then grow a single six pound plant in a room. There. I've said it. Now I better do it. It's only three times bigger than my biggest so far.

How many six pound plants are you allowed? Sounds like a challenge from the state...

 

[McKush]

Oregon is changing regs and definitions to the cannabis laws once again. Looking like the indoor medical plant is limited to 6 pounds. Haha! I'm going to start a thread in a week or two titled, "a ppk for a six pound limit" then grow a single six pound plant in a room. There. I've said it. Now I better do it. It's only three times bigger than my biggest so far.

There was a thread on ic where the poster said he would do 5lb-6lb indoor per, think he was claiming 4lb per already. At least one other poster was vouching for the guy but OP dropped out of the thread and claimed some sort of security thing or some sort.

Don't be that guy!

I hope those rules don't go into affect for you. I hate the arbitrariness of these regulations. glad the tide is turning but the regs are so inconsistent across the country

 

[av8or]

Oysters, I would like to see that big of a plant, too. I've only put out a two pounder so far but I'm 4 weeks into flower on another plant that's gonna push the 4 pound mark.

Snook, I was already in the process of ramping up for 3-4 pound per plant perpetual harvest so I'll just keep ramping. Short answer: already started. Pics to follow in a couple weeks when I get the room slapped together for just this one plant.

Rocky, each patient can grow 6 flowering plants and an unlimited amount of seedlings/starts/teens/vegging/etc. Inside urban areas, 12 plants (two patients) max. Outside the urban areas, 48 plants (eight patients) max. Oregonians are allowed 4 recreational cannabis plants to grow even without a medical card. The law doesn't explicitly say you can't grow both your medical 6 and rec 4 (as far as I've seen, someone please correct me if I'm mistaken) so I betting you can get away with 10 flowering plants with just your own medical card. That's a plant a week (assuming ten week flower time tops) at a potential 6 pounds each. Not too bad for a "small" medical grow. Hahaha

Brother Kush, just so everyone is clear...I'm not claiming to be able to do it. Just saying I'm gonna try really hard. In my experience, however, I tend to accomplish my goals so I think it's when, not an if. Let's hope so, anyway. This will be a blast trying to do.

Once again I'm out searching for suitable build sites to accommodate the latest batch of regulations. The climate in Oregon changes drastically depending on where you're at. I'm going to attempt a non-air conditioned high desert grow with cold, dry outside air. Time to do some more research. I'm hoping to have the new thread started and the next monster plant flowering in the next two to three weeks. Stay tuned, fellow ppk'ers! Any help is always appreciated, too!

 

[av8or]

Apologies for the terrible pictures. Here's the first bigger plant at the end of week 2 and 4. She's too big to take good pictures of in a spare bedroom. 13' wide, tied back to the cage at 10.5'. She's half mooned off the wall at 6' and reaches the ceiling in the bedroom. Lit by the X pattern W/ an additional 1000w overhead light back lighting the canopy.

5 weeks to go. I'm hoping she packs on a stupid amount of weight. More to follow.

 

[JamesFarmer]

Are you positive all three rooms have the same exact environmental conditions?

I'd be interested to know what your tap water ph and ppm is. Do this for us: measure ph and ppm of tap water. Mix dry jacks to 360 ppm above existing tap water ppm. Then add 240 ppm calnit dry on top of that, giving you 600 ppm above tap water. Don't adjust ph. Let it sit for a day and re-measure ph and ppm. Try this in a small container and see what you get. It'll help diagnose the issue depending on the result.

The environmental factors are not identical. The two rooms with stretch are Veg & Clone. No stretch (unusual) in the Flower room.

Veg: 68F to 85F - RH 55% to 80%
Flower: 68F to 79F - RH 55% to 75%
Clone: 68F to 77F - RH 65%-75%

My "tap" water runs 7.25-7.5pH and 20-80ppm. Depends on whether it is collected or hauled. My pH on mixed nutes that have been sitting overnight has been 5.4 to 5.6. My systems generally hang in the 6.0 to 6.4 range.

Lights are out right now. I will try the specific test you outlined in the morning.

Thank you!!!!

 

[av8or]

Right on boss. Don't use any ph up if you are. 5.4-5.6 after mixing nutes is great. It'll work no problem. Your temp and rh swings are more dramatic than I prefer for my rooms. Temps never drop below 74 but never get above 82. 85 is a bit warm especially with rh dropping to 55% when it happens. See about getting your veg space more like your clone space. Also, 75% rh in flower may cause you issues. I run around 50-55%. Although your VPD is better around 70% rh, it's a give and take with preventative maintenance for other issues like mold and mildew, considering the rh spike is happening at night during the 68℉ temp. Keep it warmer at night and the rh won't go so high. Keep it cooler in veg and the rh won't go so low. To a point. There's more to it than that but it'll effectively work for ya anyway.

 

[McKush]

Oysters, I would like to see that big of a plant, too. I've only put out a two pounder so far but I'm 4 weeks into flower on another plant that's gonna push the 4 pound mark.

Snook, I was already in the process of ramping up for 3-4 pound per plant perpetual harvest so I'll just keep ramping. Short answer: already started. Pics to follow in a couple weeks when I get the room slapped together for just this one plant.

Rocky, each patient can grow 6 flowering plants and an unlimited amount of seedlings/starts/teens/vegging/etc. Inside urban areas, 12 plants (two patients) max. Outside the urban areas, 48 plants (eight patients) max. Oregonians are allowed 4 recreational cannabis plants to grow even without a medical card. The law doesn't explicitly say you can't grow both your medical 6 and rec 4 (as far as I've seen, someone please correct me if I'm mistaken) so I betting you can get away with 10 flowering plants with just your own medical card. That's a plant a week (assuming ten week flower time tops) at a potential 6 pounds each. Not too bad for a "small" medical grow. Hahaha

Brother Kush, just so everyone is clear...I'm not claiming to be able to do it. Just saying I'm gonna try really hard. In my experience, however, I tend to accomplish my goals so I think it's when, not an if. Let's hope so, anyway. This will be a blast trying to do.

Once again I'm out searching for suitable build sites to accommodate the latest batch of regulations. The climate in Oregon changes drastically depending on where you're at. I'm going to attempt a non-air conditioned high desert grow with cold, dry outside air. Time to do some more research. I'm hoping to have the new thread started and the next monster plant flowering in the next two to three weeks. Stay tuned, fellow ppk'ers! Any help is always appreciated, too!

hey Brother, I know and hopefully no one asserts that you have made any claims. I too have higher goals than I tend to put into print but believe that you can achieve those results. If the conditions and genetics are right i see no reason why not. Its no fun in achieving an easily obtainable goal anyway. Aim high Captain!

Your plants are looking killer.

 

[JamesFarmer]

Right on boss. Don't use any ph up if you are. 5.4-5.6 after mixing nutes is great. It'll work no problem. Your temp and rh swings are more dramatic than I prefer for my rooms. Temps never drop below 74 but never get above 82. 85 is a bit warm especially with rh dropping to 55% when it happens. See about getting your veg space more like your clone space. Also, 75% rh in flower may cause you issues. I run around 50-55%. Although your VPD is better around 70% rh, it's a give and take with preventative maintenance for other issues like mold and mildew, considering the rh spike is happening at night during the 68℉ temp. Keep it warmer at night and the rh won't go so high. Keep it cooler in veg and the rh won't go so low. To a point. There's more to it than that but it'll effectively work for ya anyway.

The low RH swings are not exactly concurrent with the high temps. When the temps get high enough the exhaust fan kicks in the RH plummets.

In the veg space there is a stretch when the lights in the flower room have gone out but veg lights are still on. About 3 hours. The thermostat for the fan is in the flower space. Hence, temps in the veg space peak right before the veg lights go out.

I have turned the thermostat on the exhaust fan down to 78F so things should run a bit cooler. I had set it at 85F when I had CO2 running. Long story....

Also, I have not been adjusting the pH on my PPK systems/nutes. It has been tough I see 5.5 pH in my mix tank and want to reach for the pH Down. I see 6.3 in my system res and want to reach for pH Up.... I have managed to resist

I used to check and record pH twice daily in my systems. Now I check them a few times a week or if something indicates a pH problem.

It is my understanding that cooler temps, to a point, help with bud density. This is a bit of a problem for me since switching to PPK. Cuts from the same momma's in the same environment except PPK with Jack's instead of RDWC with GH. With the PPK/Jack's my flowers are not as dense as they used to be.
Thoughts?

Thanks again.

FJ

 

[Miraculous Meds]

The environmental factors are not identical. The two rooms with stretch are Veg & Clone. No stretch (unusual) in the Flower room.

Veg: 68F to 85F - RH 55% to 80%
Flower: 68F to 79F - RH 55% to 75%
Clone: 68F to 77F - RH 65%-75%

My "tap" water runs 7.25-7.5pH and 20-80ppm. Depends on whether it is collected or hauled. My pH on mixed nutes that have been sitting overnight has been 5.4 to 5.6. My systems generally hang in the 6.0 to 6.4 range.

Lights are out right now. I will try the specific test you outlined in the morning.

Thank you!!!!

I think av8 pointed out fairly well whats going on. Also I think u might have a grasp on it, but to make sure, u need to measure the rh n temp at a given time, not just the high n low in a given day. More than likely when ur high temp is reached, ur at ur lowest rh. That's a recipe for unwanted extra stretch. do whatever u need to keep the temp n rh in the vpd sweet spot. That will make all the difference. One of my big secrets for doing this is splitting up the the flower lights so half are running in the day n other half at night. Then have great circulation between the on n off rooms. This naturally heats up the off room, n reduces the rh by venting the on room into the lights off room. while ur pumping the cooler, higher rh air from ur off room to the lights on room. Hope that made sense.

 

[McKush]

....
Also, I have not been adjusting the pH on my PPK systems/nutes. It has been tough I see 5.5 pH in my mix tank and want to reach for the pH Down. I see 6.3 in my system res and want to reach for pH Up.... I have managed to resist

.....

FJ

good thing you resisted....

we know what you mean though.

so far I think I've noted that you changed light bulbs, grow systems, and you have changed nutes from GH to Jacks.

When you are noticing more stretch, is that a direct comparison to your old methods before the three changes? or has the stretch crept in over time as you made changes and you are comparing different plants in different stages of system change including this current run?

did you stay with the "same" brand and type of bulbs when you switched and how old where the bulbs when you changed them out? My guess is that you are a yearly bulb changer since you have such a good handle on things such as your environment and its not the bulbs, but was wondering.

certainly not trying to offer you any advice since i tend to fall short of being worthy enough , but just trying to solicit more information which may help others help you.

hope you get it figured out brother!

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Well guys.....The biggest X factor for James Farmer is coming from a completely recirculating DWC setup with GH juice , to Jack`s with Calcnit in a "pulse fed/timed fed" setup where no chillers are needed for rootrot prevention , nor any type "air to roots" application in the bottom buckets.......
looks like he could use a lungroom to keep RH from fluctuating so much over the course of a day , much less say 70 for a complete grow cycle......consistency in environment is everything........

EVERY new setup has a distinct leaning curve before dialage , and the biggest problem I see with folks moving over from RDWC is that they can`t fuckin believe how cheap and kinda redundant the PPK really is to function on its own with fast hydro results , but yet with none of the bells and whistles required to "sustain" life in RDWC....and hey....

The learnins in the doin....bet on it...You`ll get better every run IF you want to....Look at Av8 talkin bout a 4 lb`er with a system that`s evolved to a controller bucket on 1 side of the plants to set the air gap via float valve , and a 185 gph pump that topfeeds 32 ozs of juice every 15 mins for gas exchange/replenishing rootmass with feed and O2 and pumps out 2+ lber`s like there ain`t shit to it.....IOW.....

Runs under yer belt.......Betcher ass D9 didn`t come up on this outta nowhere , and who knows where it`ll end up , but a more viable set it and forget it for big plants setup don`t exist for croppers IME , and I ran SWC krusty buckets for a solid decade , with Ebb and flow buckets in fliprooms for another 5 after that , so I`m a waterbaby if there ever was 1 , and lastly....

PPK FTW.....once dialed , shit grows itself...boringly too I might add....I beat my old krusty bucket best with the first PPK run in a bastardized model with an elevated rez and fed every 3 hrs for complete rootzone flush/replenishment if you will....anyways....good luck James Farmer , you`ll get there ....

You can`t base EC/PPM`s in containers or in the rez cuz it ain`t a recirculating system where everything stays homogenous , but rather takes awhile for all juice to get back to where it originally started and start over again....hope that makes sense...

Peace....DHF..........

 

[fliptopbox]

My 1 plant setup just started 12/12. This isn't my first rodeo, but it is my first time using the PPK.

This is a simple 250w HPS system in a 2'x3'x6' tent. I'm running the 3 gallon pan with Profile substrate on a 3.5 gallon bucket with a 5 gallon control/pump bucket and a 3.5 gallon reservoir on top. The plant bucket and control/pump bucket are connected with 5/8" hose as is the pump output, and the reservoir is connected to the control/pump bucket with 1/4" vinyl tubing through a valve stem. My pump is a Mag drive 5 controlled by the Blueprint BDCT601. I'm starting off running 4" of air gap and flooding every 2 hours with Jack's mixed at 600 PPM and a PH of ~5.5.
This run I have a cut of Jackberry F2 going and I'm looking forward to the results!

 

[av8or]

FlipTop, looks good boss. I haven't messed around with the Profile media yet. How was it to wash up? Looks like you've got all your "ppk parameters" set up proper. I wish I would have done it right the first time!! That air gap kicked my ass for a while. 4" is definitely a good place to start. I doubt you'll have to touch it again. Looking forward to seeing your Jackberry grow up!

 

[McKush]

I thought profile was pre washed. The particle size is much larger than the mvp/all sports. Any chance you can put some on paper w a quarter so we can see the size?

I was wondering if you might need to specifically use a halo with that size substrate. I can see how it may channel thru and not wet the profile like you may want. Dunno.

If you do any porosity or wicking tests with the profile please post them.

A while ago i searched in vain for profile locally or via a discrete vendor other than the mfr but gave up when it proved too difficult.

Cheers.

 

[fliptopbox]

FlipTop, looks good boss. I haven't messed around with the Profile media yet. How was it to wash up? Looks like you've got all your "ppk parameters" set up proper. I wish I would have done it right the first time!! That air gap kicked my ass for a while. 4" is definitely a good place to start. I doubt you'll have to touch it again. Looking forward to seeing your Jackberry grow up!

Thanks! I've read over all of the PPK threads at least a dozen times. So much to learn for such an easy method! I've really appreciated all that d9, you, and the many others have given back to everyone.
The Profile is dusty for sure, but a few minutes in a bucket with a hose seemed to be good enough to get the water to run clear. I figured everyone knows Turface works, might as well experiment a little with the other stuff out there. Plus, who wouldn't like to say they grow in the stuff NASA uses?!

I thought profile was pre washed. The particle size is much larger than the mvp/all sports. Any chance you can put some on paper w a quarter so we can see the size?

I was wondering if you might need to specifically use a halo with that size substrate. I can see how it may channel thru and not wet the profile like you may want. Dunno.

If you do any porosity or wicking tests with the profile please post them.

A while ago i searched in vain for profile locally or via a discrete vendor other than the mfr but gave up when it proved too difficult.

Cheers.

I actually posted awhile back when I got the stuff and it may answer all of your questions. I'll quote them below for easier reference. I'm doing a full flood every 2 hours and I'm seeing the substrate still wet about an inch or so down from the top just before the next cycle, so it seems to be holding water and moving it around just find with a single watering spot. I'm definitely keeping an eye on it, though!

Hi everyone!
I've been following along for a long time now, since the original thread, and I've decided to take a swing at a PPK system. I'm building a single site system currently; we'll see how it goes.
Anyway, I wanted to say that I bought some of the Profile substrate and just did the Air Filled Porosity test on it as outlined by delta on post #730 and #731 and I got 40% afp.
And now I go back to lurking.

The capillary rise results are in for the Profile substrate. I'm only seeing 3" of rise. Is that even usable?

 

[mufinman]

FlipTop, start a thread... Simple PPK.

Good simple PPK set up.

 

[av8or]

Flip, sounds like you've got the media wetting down proper. Definitely a good idea to test as many media we can for the good of the community. Thanks brother!

 

[fliptopbox]

How's this for a week of growth from the flip?

 

[Mrrite008]

Flip,

Are you running a 3" tailpipe on the three gallon pan?