a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[av8or]

Yeah boss, the tail pieces aren't really designed to be watertight because most of us use single top buckets on single bottom buckets. I understand what you're doing and the theory is sound...you just have a leaking tailpiece. We all probably do but when mine leaks, it's dripping into its own bucket so I never see it.

If it's not a ton of water, I'd accept the loss and keep going. If it is a bit, then either glue up your tail pieces or reconfigure to somehow individualize the system for ease of use. I like the ingenuity! Cool idea brother.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Hey james, av8 laid it out for ya. couple thoughts. u can always switch over to bottom buckets in flower. Or can u drill some holes where the water is puddling, so it just drains to the bottom res? that's basically what we are doing when we drill extra holes in our flower pots, the water just runs to the open hole in the bucket lid where the drain goes thru.

 

[rover747]

this question don't relate to ppk ,but i hope i can get some help
i use promix hp to grow ,and i start using jacks 5-12-26 and cal 15-0-0 for veggie plus epsom salt ,but week ago i flip them to flower ,and i was wonder if i should keep same feeding schedule 3-2-1 ,jacks - cal nit - epsom ? My PPM stays at 1200 ,is too high ? Do i need to change ( 3-2-1 ) formula to different feeding in flower or it should stay the same ?
Thank you

 

[av8or]

this question don't relate to ppk ,but i hope i can get some help
i use promix hp to grow ,and i start using jacks 5-12-26 and cal 15-0-0 for veggie plus epsom salt ,but week ago i flip them to flower ,and i was wonder if i should keep same feeding schedule 3-2-1 ,jacks - cal nit - epsom ? My PPM stays at 1200 ,is too high ? Do i need to change ( 3-2-1 ) formula to different feeding in flower or it should stay the same ?
Thank you

There are many ways to feed the plant that will work. However, it is my experience that keeping it very simple is the best way for me. I only ever use 600 ppm jacks/calnit. Epsom salts are not needed. Just put jacks in at 360 ppm and calnit in at 240 ppm (same volume of each, different mass). I know this sounds too easy but it works. My advice: drop everything but the jacks and calnit.

1200 ppm can be steered down by adding straight water to the system. Usually, when I input 600, I get between 900 to 1050 ppm in the system.

I'm glad I listened to D9 about the nutes. It works and it is way too easy. Just my.opinion, though. Like I said, there are many ways to "correctly" feed the plant.

 

[av8or]

Hey james, av8 laid it out for ya. couple thoughts. u can always switch over to bottom buckets in flower. Or can u drill some holes where the water is puddling, so it just drains to the bottom res? that's basically what we are doing when we drill extra holes in our flower pots, the water just runs to the open hole in the bucket lid where the drain goes thru.

Thanks for the assist, MM. I completely spaced the extra drain holes! That should definitely take care of Mr. Farmer's puddle problem.

 

[McKush]

this question don't relate to ppk ,but i hope i can get some help
i use promix hp to grow ,and i start using jacks 5-12-26 and cal 15-0-0 for veggie plus epsom salt ,but week ago i flip them to flower ,and i was wonder if i should keep same feeding schedule 3-2-1 ,jacks - cal nit - epsom ? My PPM stays at 1200 ,is too high ? Do i need to change ( 3-2-1 ) formula to different feeding in flower or it should stay the same ?
Thank you

Hi rover, not sure it you know this but we are starting off with ro/di water which should be a 0 ppm base to start with. Then added t is 600 ppm like d9 Avman MM and others state.

Only you can tell if 1200 ppm is too high for your plants with your setup. It is twice as high as i and others run if that is a guideline....

Your chances of burning your plants at 600 is very very low. I wont run that high as 1200. there is no need too with
Frequent feeds at 600 in my garden.

 

[rover747]

I use well water which is ph 7 ,and ppm 130
So after i add nutes ph goes to 6.4 ,and ppm total is 1200-1300 ,some plants have little leaf burn ,but most looks ok . I weight jacks by scale ,so i guess i need lower down it ?
Do you guys use same nutes trough all cycle till harvest ,or i need to change it for flowering ?

 

[av8or]

I use well water which is ph 7 ,and ppm 130
So after i add nutes ph goes to 6.4 ,and ppm total is 1200-1300 ,some plants have little leaf burn ,but most looks ok . I weight jacks by scale ,so i guess i need lower down it ?
Do you guys use same nutes trough all cycle till harvest ,or i need to change it for flowering ?

Mix your jacks an additional 360 ppm with your 130 ppm water. It will subtotal 490 ppm. Then add the calnit an additional 240 ppm to a grand total of 730 ppm. Do me a favor...don't look at your ph at all. Trust me. At this point, walk away.

Are you using a ppm and ph pen while you mix nutes? What size reservoir are you using to mix in (how much water)? Using volume to measure these nutes is easiest. For example, I mix two tablespoons of jacks into a 25 gallon tote of tap water. I mix it up and then add two tablespoons of calnit. That's it.

Hope that helps!

 

[SecondAttempt]

Using volume to measure these nutes is easiest. For example, I mix two tablespoons of jacks into a 25 gallon tote of tap water. I mix it up and then add two tablespoons of calnit. That's it.

I do the same... perfect every time.

 

[rover747]

Mix your jacks an additional 360 ppm with your 130 ppm water. It will subtotal 490 ppm. Then add the calnit an additional 240 ppm to a grand total of 730 ppm. Do me a favor...don't look at your ph at all. Trust me. At this point, walk away.

Are you using a ppm and ph pen while you mix nutes? What size reservoir are you using to mix in (how much water)? Using volume to measure these nutes is easiest. For example, I mix two tablespoons of jacks into a 25 gallon tote of tap water. I mix it up and then add two tablespoons of calnit. That's it.

Hope that helps!

I use 55 gallon barrel ,and i use a scale all the time ,so i mixing by grams . Like jacks i do 3 gram per gallon ,cal nit - 2 gram ,and epsom salt - 1 gram . It is pain in ass when i have to mix 9 - 55 gallon barrels ,everytime i need to go back to scale and weight it
Then i use ph/ppm pen to check both . And i just flip them to flower ,so do i need to add anything else ,or change dosage ?
Tablespoon is equal to 30 gram ? So for 55 barrel i need : Jacks - 65 gram, and cal nit - 65 gram ? I thought i need to add more jacks than cal nit ? I am wrong ?

 

[delta9nxs]

I use 55 gallon barrel ,and i use a scale all the time ,so i mixing by grams . Like jacks i do 3 gram per gallon ,cal nit - 2 gram ,and epsom salt - 1 gram . It is pain in ass when i have to mix 9 - 55 gallon barrels ,everytime i need to go back to scale and weight it
Then i use ph/ppm pen to check both . And i just flip them to flower ,so do i need to add anything else ,or change dosage ?
Tablespoon is equal to 30 gram ? So for 55 barrel i need : Jacks - 65 gram, and cal nit - 65 gram ? I thought i need to add more jacks than cal nit ? I am wrong ?

hey, buddy! fill the 55 gal drum with water approximately 2" down from the top. put in 5 level tablespooons of jack's, stir it with a boat paddle or something until it's spinning well, let it come to a stop.

then put in 5 level tablespoons of calcium nitrate and stir it the same way.

do not add any magnesium sulfate as the base formula is already 6.35%.

do one and tell me what you get.

 

[rover747]

hey, buddy! fill the 55 gal drum with water approximately 2" down from the top. put in 5 level tablespooons of jack's, stir it with a boat paddle or something until it's spinning well, let it come to a stop.

then put in 5 level tablespoons of calcium nitrate and stir it the same way.

do not add any magnesium sulfate as the base formula is already 6.35%.

do one and tell me what you get.

1 tablespoon is 29-30 gram according to google ,so if i put 30x5=150 gram of jacks per 55 barrel ,and then 30x5= 150 gram of cal nit ,i bet it will be way over 1500 ppm .Because when i use 150 gram of jacks ,100 gram of cal nit ,and 50 gram of epsom salt ( i am not going to use it again ,epsom salt ) ,then my ppm stays around 1200-1300 per 55 gallon barrel ,this is including original 130 ppm which water was before mixing .
I am going to weight one level tablespoon today to see ,how much it will be .

 

[funnymath]

1 tablespoon is 29-30 gram according to google ,so if i put 30x5=150 gram of jacks per 55 barrel ,and then 30x5= 150 gram of cal nit ,i bet it will be way over 1500 ppm .Because when i use 150 gram of jacks ,100 gram of cal nit ,and 50 gram of epsom salt ( i am not going to use it again ,epsom salt ) ,then my ppm stays around 1200-1300 per 55 gallon barrel ,this is including original 130 ppm which water was before mixing .
I am going to weight one level tablespoon today to see ,how much it will be .

Jacks and the calnit have totally different particle sizes, so the same volume (a tablespoon) of the two will have different weighs. You've been measuring the right way with jacks and calnit having a 1:.6666 ratio by weight. But it actually works out that if you take a tablespoon of jacks and a tablespoon of calnit that they'll have that same weight ratio.

If you still don't understand, then take a tablespoon of jacks and then weigh it, then do the same with calnit. They won't be equal and the calnit will weigh 2/3rds of the jacks.

I'd bet d9 knows exactly how many gallons a 55 drum holds 2" from the top and knows exactly how much to add.

 

[av8or]

Jacks and the calnit have totally different particle sizes, so the same volume (a tablespoon) of the two will have different weighs. You've been measuring the right way with jacks and calnit having a 1:.6666 ratio by weight. But it actually works out that if you take a tablespoon of jacks and a tablespoon of calnit that they'll have that same weight ratio.

If you still don't understand, then take a tablespoon of jacks and then weigh it, then do the same with calnit. They won't be equal and the calnit will weigh 2/3rds of the jacks.

I'd bet d9 knows exactly how many gallons a 55 drum holds 2" from the top and knows exactly how much to add.

5 tablespoons is exactly correct in a 55 gallon drum with a 2" water line from the top.

Rover, if you add 5 tablespoons (don't weigh it) of jacks and then 5 tablespoons of calnit into a 55 gallon drum filled to 2" from the top with 130 ppm tap water, you will have a perfect mix of 730 ppm total. That makes 600 ppm for the jacks/calnit and 130 from the water. Do this and ONLY this and I promise, your plants will thank you for it. Stop weighing the jacks. Use volume instead of mass for this task...it's so much easier and faster and IT WORKS.

For those of you not used to tablespoons, use 14.79 mililiters (15 will suffice).

 

[delta9nxs]

1 tablespoon is 29-30 gram according to google ,so if i put 30x5=150 gram of jacks per 55 barrel ,and then 30x5= 150 gram of cal nit ,i bet it will be way over 1500 ppm .Because when i use 150 gram of jacks ,100 gram of cal nit ,and 50 gram of epsom salt ( i am not going to use it again ,epsom salt ) ,then my ppm stays around 1200-1300 per 55 gallon barrel ,this is including original 130 ppm which water was before mixing .
I am going to weight one level tablespoon today to see ,how much it will be .

put away the gram scale and pick up the tablespoon. does your meter read ec, or is it the .5 scale or the .7 scale for ppm? what meter are you using?

seriously, just put 5 spoons of each in there and report back here what you are getting on your meter. i would like to know the exact brand name and model of your meter as well as which measurement scale it uses. forget the gram scale, you don't need it.

 

[rover747]

water today was 140 ppm ,so after i add 5 table spoons of jacks it came up to 460 ,after i add cal nit ( 5 spoons ) it came up to 710 . So i am hitting a jackpot ? No more epsom salt need it ? Also is 710 ppm is enough for flowering ? Sorry for so many question ,i don't want to screw up ,too much money been spend for this grow already . I must done it successfully ,otherwise i will be in trouble .
Thank you

 

[rover747]

as PH meter i use Hanna ,and ppm meter is Eco tester

 

[rover747]

Oakton Waterproof Ecotestr
like this one
http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/Products.asp?mi=86752&itemnum=76403&redir=Y

 

[delta9nxs]

water today was 140 ppm ,so after i add 5 table spoons of jacks it came up to 460 ,after i add cal nit ( 5 spoons ) it came up to 710 . So i am hitting a jackpot ? No more epsom salt need it ? Also is 710 ppm is enough for flowering ? Sorry for so many question ,i don't want to screw up ,too much money been spend for this grow already . I must done it successfully ,otherwise i will be in trouble .
Thank you

well, from experience and your readings with 5 spoons of each into a 55 gal drum we know that you are using a meter with a .5 scale.

considering your water source you are very close but it would be helpful to know if you are actually in a ppk device, another recirculating device, or are using a drain to waste scheme. as in handwatering pots of soilless medium.

 

[rover747]

well, from experience and your readings with 5 spoons of each into a 55 gal drum we know that you are using a meter with a .5 scale.

considering your water source you are very close but it would be helpful to know if you are actually in a ppk device, another recirculating device, or are using a drain to waste scheme. as in handwatering pots of soilless medium.

No it is not ppk yet ,ppk units almost done .
All plants in Promix HP in 5 gallon plastic pots .
I do hand watering right now every 3-4 days
Also i set up ebb and flow 4x4 table with 24 plants/clones with same jacks ,just running little experiment on side