a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[Miraculous Meds]

og tgr,

1, the dimensions that seem to work best are, 7 gal 20" wide tubs, 3" drain. 3.5 to 5 gal bucket, 2.5" drain. u can use different ones, but those seemed to work best for me with wicking n draining with those dimensions of flowering pots.

2, yes, a 2" tailpiece should work well with the width of the 5 gal bucket. I cut some 5 gal buckets down to 3.5 gal size n it worked great. but I would just buy the 3.5s if starting fresh.

3, u could do sog, but have to flip them fast or they will overcrowd fast. no sense in more tailpieces than one central large one. but it would work fine. one of the original designs had 3 1.5" tailpieces per 7 gal tub.

4, d9 disposes the 8822 after each run. I think it has a higher propensity to break down after a cycle vs turface being the longer more reusable medium.

 

[delta9nxs]

hey JamesFarmer and og_tgr, welcome!

it looks like your questions have been very competently answered so i'll just say thank you for trying this weird device.

i'm going into the hospital tomorrow morning for a little back surgery so i don't know how long i'll be MIA.

anyone with questions please address them to the general group here and i'm sure you will get rapid responses.

 

[JamesFarmer]

Hey D9,

Thanks for the welcome & for your generous sharing.

We wish you a speedy recovery and will be looking forward to your return.

James

 

[Miraculous Meds]

hey JamesFarmer and og_tgr, welcome!

it looks like your questions have been very competently answered so i'll just say thank you for trying this weird device.

i'm going into the hospital tomorrow morning for a little back surgery so i don't know how long i'll be MIA.

anyone with questions please address them to the general group here and i'm sure you will get rapid responses.

well wishes with the surgery bro. May u be back in action soon! Cheesy pun intended.

 

[JamesFarmer]

1) Just fine

2) Yes

Thank you.

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My thoughts of doing a "test drive" of this system are evolving into an all out re-engineering of my grow space....

I moved to a new location this Spring and built a 10'x20' shed with a loft.

The main floor inside dimensions are 9'x19'. I have partitioned off a 4'10" x 9' space at one end with a 2'0" door. This space currently houses 2x1000HPS.

The balance of the main floor has 2x600HPS over a 6 site bucket RDWC and a 1000HPS over a 50 gallon stock tank RDWC.

I am trying to work out the best route to a perpetual harvest.

I am considering either:

1) converting my existing RDWC in the larger room to PPK and using that space for Veg. Building a 4-6 site PKK for the smaller room for Flower. That should allow me to harvest one large plant every 10-14 days.

2) Swapping the 2x1000HPS in the small room with the 2x600HPS in the large room and moving my 6 site system into the small room for veg. Then build an 8 site PPK in the large room under the 3x1000HPS for a 7 day perpetual harvest.

My thoughts regarding the PKK build are leaning towards 3.5 gallon buckets over 5 gallon buckets with 2.5" tailpiece/wick & running Turface medium.

What would you all recommend? Any fatal flaws in my ideas?

Thanks

 

[theplaya]

Wishing u a speedy recovery delta

 

[av8or]

I've seen a three and a half pound tree grown in the 3.5 gallon top bucket. I've found those to have a high center of gravity, lending to a more tipsy tree when it's big. If you are diligent with supporting her, it shouldn't be an issue. Me myself, I use the 6.5 gallon top buckets sitting on the 27 gallon tub. It's really stable and won't tip over. Plus, using the 3" tailpiece has caused me no clogging issues, as opposed to the two 2" diameter tailpieces in use now which consistently have roots growing out of the bottom with the occasional clog. If I were to start a brand new room (oh...I am....a bunch of them this summer), I'd use the 6.5 over 27 gal. That's just me though. It allows a larger volume of water in the entire system which is nice. There's a greater natural buffer with larger volumes of solution. Also I dont have to use main reservoirs anymore. There's enough water in the system without it using the 27 gallon tubs now.

 

[rover747]

I've seen a three and a half pound tree grown in the 3.5 gallon top bucket. I've found those to have a high center of gravity, lending to a more tipsy tree when it's big. If you are diligent with supporting her, it shouldn't be an issue. Me myself, I use the 6.5 gallon top buckets sitting on the 27 gallon tub. It's really stable and won't tip over. Plus, using the 3" tailpiece has caused me no clogging issues, as opposed to the two 2" diameter tailpieces in use now which consistently have roots growing out of the bottom with the occasional clog. If I were to start a brand new room (oh...I am....a bunch of them this summer), I'd use the 6.5 over 27 gal. That's just me though. It allows a larger volume of water in the entire system which is nice. There's a greater natural buffer with larger volumes of solution. Also I dont have to use main reservoirs anymore. There's enough water in the system without it using the 27 gallon tubs now.

Do you have photos from you set up where you using 6.5 tops ,and 27 g bottoms ?
Thank you

 

[av8or]

Do you have photos from you set up where you using 6.5 tops ,and 27 g bottoms ?
Thank you

Post #977 on page 66 of this thread has a post by D9 showing how we built the latest design with those dimensions. He kind of explains it in the post. Here's the pics again along with my outdoor experiment:

 

[McKush]

Best for a speedy recovery D9

 

[420ish]

hope your surgery goes well and you heal fast!

 

[rover747]

hey JamesFarmer and og_tgr, welcome!

it looks like your questions have been very competently answered so i'll just say thank you for trying this weird device.

i'm going into the hospital tomorrow morning for a little back surgery so i don't know how long i'll be MIA.

anyone with questions please address them to the general group here and i'm sure you will get rapid responses.

Get well fast !!!

 

[rover747]

Post #977 on page 66 of this thread has a post by D9 showing how we built the latest design with those dimensions. He kind of explains it in the post. Here's the pics again along with my outdoor experiment:

Thanks !! I will go back and read it again . I think i like this design better ,but as spacing goes ,i think you previous design was good too . I just don't like idea of 3.5 g sitting on top of each other ,little tipsy

 

[av8or]

Thanks !! I will go back and read it again . I think i like this design better ,but as spacing goes ,i think you previous design was good too . I just don't like idea of 3.5 g sitting on top of each other ,little tipsy

Agreed. It's one less thing to worry about. There's a lot to be said about being confident in your equipment. Makes growing a lot more fun when all you have to worry about is your plant, not your grow system.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Thanks !! I will go back and read it again . I think i like this design better ,but as spacing goes ,i think you previous design was good too . I just don't like idea of 3.5 g sitting on top of each other ,little tipsy

Ive never had a tip over using 3.5 over 3.5's. but im only trying to get 1 lb plants. So with more space n light, trying to achieve several pound plants, im sure u would need support. But ur going to provide support anyways for those giant colas ur gonna grow, so... go with what works best for ur situation. I know in a tight indoor grow, the diameter of the 3.5's is a lot easier to get around than the 20" wide pots.

They both work, n its again a matter of what works best. having said that, d9 n crew have done a lot of different testing, n seem to have settled on the fact that shorter wider pots are better in general, if u got the space.

 

[McKush]

make sure you have at least 24" clearance in the door way to comfortably carry a 20" pot with plant thru it. I factored on the pot size when i built my FR and VR.

 

[delta9nxs]

here i is in da crib alone

wit my jar of oxycodone.

you know i ain't feelin' no pain

cuz i got less than half a brain!

jar's sittin' next to da tv.

it keeps sayin' hey, look at me!

you know i make you feel real good

like a junkie down in da hood!


actually i haven't used any yet. it turned out to be a relatively painless procedure. i should be up and about in a few days.

 

[gmanwho]

timer

timer

few pages back there was some talk on adjustable recycle timers. i found one on amazon that so far is working great. search amazon for " digital recycle timer " or "digital short cycle timer "

the one i got for $60 is the Digital 734170 CT-1 Short Cycle Timer.

I believe hydrofarm & titan controls use this timer as well. Company names change, price, but they use the same china timer.


5 days it's been working well. my only problem was the instructions where very vague. they didn't explain all the symbols an modes that where available on my current timer " options ".

the reviews are mixed on amazon, but i feel its because the instruction set was so vague. it also seems the timers have been updated since some of the last reviews. there are more options available now, an the instructions didn't go into some things.


beside learning the menu on the timer, it seems like a pretty straight timer for $60.

bwell&bsafe

 

[delta9nxs]

few pages back there was some talk on adjustable recycle timers. i found one on amazon that so far is working great. search amazon for " digital recycle timer " or "digital short cycle timer "

the one i got for $60 is the Digital 734170 CT-1 Short Cycle Timer.

I believe hydrofarm & titan controls use this timer as well. Company names change, price, but they use the same china timer.


5 days it's been working well. my only problem was the instructions where very vague. they didn't explain all the symbols an modes that where available on my current timer " options ".

the reviews are mixed on amazon, but i feel its because the instruction set was so vague. it also seems the timers have been updated since some of the last reviews. there are more options available now, an the instructions didn't go into some things.


beside learning the menu on the timer, it seems like a pretty straight timer for $60.

bwell&bsafe

my favorite so far is the blueprint bdct-1. works just as well as the now discontinued sentinel models i used to use before they were "liberated" by the ronin swine.

programming is fast and almost intuitive.

 

[rover747]

Post #977 on page 66 of this thread has a post by D9 showing how we built the latest design with those dimensions. He kind of explains it in the post. Here's the pics again along with my outdoor experiment:

so in new system ,no floating valve ,no large reservoir ? where nutrients goes ? i feel little lost ))