a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[Rocketman64]

NO-hio! Land of the old, crusty, 1954 mentality Legislators who ignore what the people have asked for the last eight years! They just found another way around it regardless of the 84% 'YES' poll just conducted. 750,000 signatures and still they're looking to defeat it. So much for Power to the People in this god-forsaken, heaping pile of burning cow shit we call Ohio.

Okay, I feel better now. That's not why I signed on tonight.

Here's a cool site for anybody interested in pumice.

http://reddome.com/products.html

It's worth a look just for a quick primer on the uses of pumice. Not sure about ordering/shipping but the info is nice.

Cheers!!

 

[Dr.RedWhite]

Well Here is my PPK setup, different but the same or close. I am putting the 3 inch toilet flange in the middle of the 18 quart plastic dishpans you get in the kitchen section at Wally world. I am running the 3 inch pipe to 1/2 inch off the bottom of a ten gallon brute tote and screening it there. My media is 1 part floor dry I get from Northern tool rinsed to remove the dust and 1 part Perlite also rinsed, this mostly to lighten up the media container. Each brute gets it's own 200 gph pump plumbed thru the brute lid and elbowed to the media and using a home made drip ring . Instead of using a control bucket between the PPK's and the main res I have my float valve in one of the brutes complete with the tupperware container and it's 1/8th inch hole and plumb the brutes together with the rubber hose and no bulkhead fittings an inch or so under the water level. My interests have gone to growing large plants so I don't have a problem with redundant pumps. I use Jacks+calnit, tap, Ph with sulphuric acid diluted with water at 1 to ten ratio. I tried RO filtering my water but got crazy PH swings so at least for now I like the sulphuric acid ph stability. This setup gives me a media container and res height some less than the height of a 5 gallon bucket. I am growing vert with the plant between two crude shallow reflectors and two 600 watt HPS bulbs that run 6 hours each during 12 hours. The bulbs are around 4 feet apart in a 5'x5'x80" space. There is a screen made of 4'x4' squares on each side of the plant to sort of scrog the growing tips in an even layout curved a bit around the bulbs. I have one 600 watt ballast running two of these 5'x5' spaces. If it were not for PM I could ignore em (almost) after stretch is over till harvest but I have to feed the sulpher burners to control it. Should have gone to big plants years ago!

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Well Here is my PPK setup, different but the same or close. I am putting the 3 inch toilet flange in the middle of the 18 quart plastic dishpans you get in the kitchen section at Wally world. I am running the 3 inch pipe to 1/2 inch off the bottom of a ten gallon brute tote and screening it there. My media is 1 part floor dry I get from Northern tool rinsed to remove the dust and 1 part Perlite also rinsed, this mostly to lighten up the media container. Each brute gets it's own 200 gph pump plumbed thru the brute lid and elbowed to the media and using a home made drip ring . Instead of using a control bucket between the PPK's and the main res I have my float valve in one of the brutes complete with the tupperware container and it's 1/8th inch hole and plumb the brutes together with the rubber hose and no bulkhead fittings an inch or so under the water level. My interests have gone to growing large plants so I don't have a problem with redundant pumps. I use Jacks+calnit, tap, Ph with sulphuric acid diluted with water at 1 to ten ratio. I tried RO filtering my water but got crazy PH swings so at least for now I like the sulphuric acid ph stability. This setup gives me a media container and res height some less than the height of a 5 gallon bucket. I am growing vert with the plant between two crude shallow reflectors and two 600 watt HPS bulbs that run 6 hours each during 12 hours. The bulbs are around 4 feet apart in a 5'x5'x80" space. There is a screen made of 4'x4' squares on each side of the plant to sort of scrog the growing tips in an even layout curved a bit around the bulbs. I have one 600 watt ballast running two of these 5'x5' spaces. If it were not for PM I could ignore em (almost) after stretch is over till harvest but I have to feed the sulpher burners to control it. Should have gone to big plants years ago!

Get ur environment right, get vpd in range, exchange air 2 times a minute with good circulation, and u will not even know pm is a problem to be had. Also Don't let plant leaves overlap n lay on each other. I hate sulfur bud. Get ur set up right so u don't have to have sulfur bud. That might mean a dehumidifier, or exhaust if ur environment is good to help control high rh spikes.

If ur using a cheap brand of floor dry that's just cc, mine disintegrated n clogged up my drain, n I couldn't get water thru the plant with out jamming holes thru the medium n thru the screen. So cutting it with perlite might be a good solution. I know I wont use the cheap crap anymore for fear of the same problems.

Have u done porosity test n wicking test yet? I would definitely do those with creating a new medium, to make sure I had the right air porosity n wicking ability for the system to operate correctly. D9 outlined how to do both somewhere in this thread.

Well after reading ur post again, it seems u been doing this for a minute, so it must be working ok then.

The only problem with putting ur float valve in a plant res is that if u have clogging probs, its going to be a pita to move a big plant to work on it.

So if I read right, uve got 1 ballast running 4 600's for 6 hours each? that's pretty cool. Im interested to see how u yield with the lights flipping for 6 hour periods. Ive wanted to do this for a while now just haven't gotten to it yet.

 

[av8or]

Trainwreck (Arcata). All about a foot-ish. It's way too hot to put these girls out like this but laws are laws and this is what I got. Indoor, I have four more Trainwrecks. They're having a friendly competition to see who's going to produce the best. This should be fun.

 

[Dr.RedWhite]

This floor dry is the least dusty and most like turface I have seen. Been using it for a while in a straight wick system with good results. As to the PM where I am at in Colorado there is a contagion happening. I think the combination of very low humidity and temps in the mid 70's lights on are to blame. The spaces are like wind tunnels though I am using a thermostat to turn the exhaust fan off and on. Thinking maybe to try higher temperatures and some form of humidifier. I hate the sulpher too but it does work. I am hoping roots don't fill the res enough to bother the float and it is sort of isolated in it's tupperware container. For a long time I have been using one ballast for two rooms running donuts and have begun this tree project last January. More floor space is good. My intake air comes from outside not a lung room so I can't run exhaust all the time especially at night due to cool temps. Possibly some form of filter in my intake?

 

[DunHav`nFun]

This floor dry is the least dusty and most like turface I have seen. Been using it for a while in a straight wick system with good results. As to the PM where I am at in Colorado there is a contagion happening. I think the combination of very low humidity and temps in the mid 70's lights on are to blame. The spaces are like wind tunnels though I am using a thermostat to turn the exhaust fan off and on. Thinking maybe to try higher temperatures and some form of humidifier. I hate the sulpher too but it does work. I am hoping roots don't fill the res enough to bother the float and it is sort of isolated in it's tupperware container. For a long time I have been using one ballast for two rooms running donuts and have begun this tree project last January. More floor space is good. My intake air comes from outside not a lung room so I can't run exhaust all the time especially at night due to cool temps. Possibly some form of filter in my intake?

First off....Get a filter of some sort , hepa preferably , or you`re doomed to bringin in air-born pathogens EVERY time the intake fan kicks on as has been happening.....now.....

Not running exhaust only allows excess humidity and CO2 to develop during lights off , so I guess the next question is do you have a hygrometer that monitors RH 24/7 that tells you what`s what during lights off AND on....sure....

RH is always less during lights on and that`s where foggers/humidifiers come in to play , and then once the plants get big enough to keep RH levels in proper parameters during lights on , THAT`S when air exchange twice per minute always saved my ass by getting rid of RH and CO2 spikes during lights out as the plants shit out excess water vapor and CO2 that wasn`t metabolized during lights on....

It`s not a contagion bro , it`s you breeding the pathogens in your grow area.....plain and simple....DonJuanMatuus has a thread in coco called coco trees you need to read from the beginning where he explains about airflow and major humidity throughout the complete grow cycle lights out included , as long as the airflow/exchange is in place.....also.....

Higher temps in the mid-upper 80`s always worked well in my fliprooms as long as lights off temps were maintained @ no more than 10 degrees from lights on , so trust an old head when he`s tellin yas to dial environment lights on AND lights off and all the rest pretty much falls into place as long as proper watts per sq ft are optimal as well.....anyways....

Wake and bake over....Grits and groceries callin my name , so good luck and let us know how things turn out.....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Dr.RedWhite]

I run a small heater to maintain temps with lights off but have been keeping around 70 degrees (too low). Humidity has been anywhere from 13% to a grand high of 31% on average. So I say yes it is genesis for PM in there. I will install filters Hepa if I can find em and keep new ones in place. Building some custom humidifiers as we speak. Headed off to read the Coco trees thread. As for the sulpher burners, they work but offer a heavy odor and coat the plants with sulpher. I burn a teaspoon every week and is this too much?

 

[oti$]

Good to see ya posting again freds, the next generation needs ya to have the gospel pounded into their heads....at night i dream about proper watts per sq foot, dialed environment, vpd, etc...all thanks to some old growers who wouldn't allow me to forget.

 

[Dr.RedWhite]

Thanks for pointing me the Coco trees thread! I'm not going to run Coco but I am certainly going to try to run my two spaces environmentally as close as I can to DJM's. I'm astonished that I have done as well as I have in the past!

 

[rover747]

Is anybody try run PPK with rockwool ?

 

[bearded1]

back again

back again

Been a while. Couldn't long on for a while. Had a nosey child move in and had to let my girls go. What a Fuckin waste. Just turned it off left door closed. Child just moved back out cleaned up mess cussed and cried. Buds as big as my fist d9 finally had a perfect grow. Well started seeds to sprout. Washed some 8822. Back in the game again, all is good. Love the new room d9. Looks so cool, or should I say bright.

Ram should just leave his plants in veg they will recover. PPK takes ABUSE and is like the energizer bunny just keeps on growing and growing.

Saw you burned yourself were No one should get burned. Ouch! Get some burn gel if you are going to dab in your birthday suite d9. Get it at Walgreens.

 

[Oysters]

Capillary Rise Test

Capillary Rise Test

Performed the 2 recommended tests on capillary rise and air filled porosity - both with screened and somewhat washed Turface.

Using the 18 oz. cup, I got 6 oz. of drainage, so all good there.

On to CRT. Using a 1 litre Voss water bottle that's about 3" in diameter, I got about 4-1/2" of capillary rise after 3 days and maybe another 1/4" on the 4th day. That's low compared to results posted by D9. I'm unclear as to what this result suggests as to next steps. Should my air gap be less than 4" based on this result? I'm going to be using the 7 gallon tub for growing.

Any and all advice appreciated.

 

[#1cheesebuds]

wow this one looks cool. deff wanna watch these to see how they turn out.

 

[zeke99]

Gonna hafta study this thread for 2-3 nights in order to digest and understand the updates.

Thank you for the pics D9, as usual, the words and numbers just aren't enough for me to be able to "get it".

 

[McKush]

hey D9, Was just thinking to myself as I was reading zeke's post. You ever give any thought to creating a thread or updating a current thread with links to all the other icmag PPK related threads? that way a new person would have a list of all the threads that they can go look at for inspiration etc... ideally we get the mods to make it a sticky in this hydro forum

just a thought

 

[Grow4Flow]

5.5" KORD is how you'll find those pots D9

typically around .70/ea or so. If you buy in QTY you can sometimes get them around .45/ea or so, or at least that's been my experience. I typically use these pots as my veg coco pot before going into smart pots.


I wanna see that little yellow strong box flipped from root. Could be a great little closet setup for those that don't have the room for big ppk vert.....if they don't just crowd out because of ppk insanity.. Go for it SA, give that mini PPK a second attempt !


I was thinking about doing something really similar with vinyl tubing and a regular hydro store 3/4" drain fitting. I was thinking 1" though.. too large?

3/4" pictured below:
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FF,
Ive used these for quite some time, the 3/4" size and they work great! haven't tried the 1" as i felt like they might be too big. gotta make sure to raise each module a bit to aid in the drainage of each plant site. The nuts on these bulkheads are big which means they are sitting higher off the bottom of the res making the water sit in the return hoses when you are pumping out for rez change

 

[zeke99]

this is a cheap humidifier. 27 gal tote, float valve, nylon line, microfiber towels, trashcan to feed the float.

here i used 24 towels on the lines about an inch apart with their ends hanging in the water. water level set about 3-4".

you can just see the float valve in the middle.

off camera there is a fan blowing across the towels. you can control humidity somewhat by fan speed.

this room is approx 11x11x8 and tightly sealed.

this brought rh up from around 40% to around 70%. good for cloning.

first time I've seen a DIY humidifier that wasn't simply a bucket filled with water!

 

[delta9nxs]

Is anybody try run PPK with rockwool ?

i have never seen or heard of it but the croutons with a wave pulse should work.

a potential problem with croutons or coco fiber is that it won't hold up a big plant well.

but if the plant is large it's going to have to be supported anyway.

 

[delta9nxs]

Been a while. Couldn't long on for a while. Had a nosey child move in and had to let my girls go. What a Fuckin waste. Just turned it off left door closed. Child just moved back out cleaned up mess cussed and cried. Buds as big as my fist d9 finally had a perfect grow. Well started seeds to sprout. Washed some 8822. Back in the game again, all is good. Love the new room d9. Looks so cool, or should I say bright.

Ram should just leave his plants in veg they will recover. PPK takes ABUSE and is like the energizer bunny just keeps on growing and growing.

Saw you burned yourself were No one should get burned. Ouch! Get some burn gel if you are going to dab in your birthday suite d9. Get it at Walgreens.

good to see you back at it!

did i tell you about the new line of asbestos loungewear i'm coming out with?

 

[delta9nxs]

I run a small heater to maintain temps with lights off but have been keeping around 70 degrees (too low). Humidity has been anywhere from 13% to a grand high of 31% on average. So I say yes it is genesis for PM in there. I will install filters Hepa if I can find em and keep new ones in place. Building some custom humidifiers as we speak. Headed off to read the Coco trees thread. As for the sulpher burners, they work but offer a heavy odor and coat the plants with sulpher. I burn a teaspoon every week and is this too much?

uc davis has done a lot of pm research and they say that 65-80f is the ideal range for pm to grow. i run my rooms at 78-88f all the time. 84-88f lights on and 78-80f lights off.

it will proliferate in shaded areas so make sure the entire canopy is well lit. leaves with active metabolisms fight off pm.

keep the interiors cleaned out and maintain decent air flow to all plant parts. i like to see every leaf in the room moving slightly. not much is required. just enough to cause continuous slight movement.

also look for resistant strains. that is probably the first line of defense. uc davis says that some strains of grapes are more susceptible than others.