a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[rover747]

i am not very experienced,i been grow only for less than 1 year
when i said lolipoping i meant ,i trim 2 feet plant from bottom and up ,and only leave upper part ,usually i get lb per light .
I guess it is only one way to find is build ppk and grow ,and see what happen
Wave pulse means 45 sec of flood ,and 90 min off ?
Sorry i ask so many questions ,i did read you threads ,but english is not my first language,and sometimes it is hard to digest certain stuff ,but i am trying very hard Thank you a lot for all help !!!

 

[Joe Grogan]

PPK all the WAY!

PPK all the WAY!

I just wanted to let everyone know: I've been a grower for years and I've tried every possible grow operation that I could try and PPK is my ABSOLUTE favorite. I've gotten the best results by a LARGE margin using PPK. Thank you to ALL of ICMAG for your continued interest in PPK and its evolution!

-Grogan

 

[Mrrite008]

Thank you guys !!!
I don't do vertical grow or i don't use hps anymore ,i build my own led with cree cobs( diodes ) ,they work great ,so i guess it will horizontal grow . Reason why i was debating if i should go with 3 gallon vs 7 gallon . I went i bought today already 6 sets ,7g tops ,and 70 quart bottoms ,but if you guys think it will not work with horizontal grow ,please let me know ,so i can exchange them before i start drilling .

PPK system designs have varied from micro grows, up to multi lb trees, as d9 stated. I would hold off on the 3 gallon/ 40qt combo until rescent issues can be resolved. If your not scrogging big plants, or growing vert trees using intense lighting, the 7 gallon containers are not for you! If your use to growing a bunch of smaller plants in 5 gallon buckets + promix and lollipopping the bottoms under led lighting...i would recommend a 2 gal. bucket on top of a 3.5 gal. bucket + lid type ppk system, such as the setup MrAwder uses in his ppk thread!

 

[rover747]

what is wrong with this size -- 3 gallon/ 40qt ? I thought it working good ...or not ? now i really confused

 

[Miraculous Meds]

what is wrong with this size -- 3 gallon/ 40qt ? I thought it working good ...or not ? now i really confused

read just a few pages back, some people were reporting a hydraulic issue thought to be caused by the small 3.5" medium depth in relation to the width or length of the tailpiece.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

@rover, how many watts of flower light are u gonna use per plant site?

 

[rover747]

Right now i am using per 8 plants ,600 watt ( from wall draw ) diy led's ,also i experimenting with Illumitex Neo sol 520 watt with 8 plants ,plants around 2-3 feet tall in 5 gallon pots with pro mix .

 

[rover747]

so it is around 37-40 watt per square feet ,i built other led ,which is 800 watt from wall outlet ,and it will produce 66 watt per sq feet ,but i don't use it yet .

 

[Miraculous Meds]

8 plants per 600w, in ppk, that's 75w per plant. Is this ur plan for ur flower rooms? Whats ur goal weight per plant?

If this is what ur after I wouldn't use any bigger than the 2 gal pots.

Ive never thought of the ppk as a small site sog system. Seems like a lot of set up, but maybe it will be awesome.

 

[rover747]

i never calculate this way as wattage per plant ,i always did wattage per square feet ,of course 75 watt per plant is nothing

 

[rover747]

i want to get at least 1 lb per plant
so what is thumb of rule in ppk as light goes ? per plant ,or per sq feet ?

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Idk about rule of thumb. I look at amount of light and medium to achieve a certain goal weight. I think rule of thumb is different for everybody depending on ur circumstances and goals.

So I can get 1 lb plants with 3.5 gal pots and 300w. That's pretty advanced, but im sure 3 gallons of medium is more than plenty to achieve 1lb, more likely 2lbs. so if ur not going to use a lot more light later on and trying to achieve several pound plants, 3 to 3.5 gallon size is the most id use.

Since d9 is having people steer clear of the shallow 3 gal system, cause of the hydraulic issues, id run the 3.5 system as I do. Maybe d9 can chime in with a better solution cause I know he champions the wider shallower pots, but I wouldn't be able to tell u a better alternative than the 3.5's that I use. I know I used the 7 gal tubs for my goals and it was way overkill and left my medium too wet. But I do some different things, mainly being using coir as the medium.

 

[rover747]

i saw somewhere was some talk about 3 gall tubs problems ,but seems can't find it anymore .I guess i need guru D9 here to clarifying if 3 gallon ok to go .

 

[delta9nxs]

i saw somewhere was some talk about 3 gall tubs problems ,but seems can't find it anymore .I guess i need guru D9 here to clarifying if 3 gallon ok to go .

hey buddy, don't use the flat 3 gal containers until we find out what is going on with them.

a 3.5 gal bucket on top of a 3.5 gal bucket will grow 1.5 gal plus plants easily. i would use a 2" tailpiece.

and please no "guru" or any other stuff like that. i don't need or desire the ego massage. i'm just another grower that got lucky with an idea.

the 7 gal containers actually only hold a little more than 5 gals of medium at the depth they operate at. that will grow huge plants but to use all of it you would need to veg at least 6-7 weeks.

the folks getting 3 lb plants are vegging approximately 8 weeks.

i don't see how you can properly illuminate a plant that big with a single light.

after reading all your posts i think that miraculous meds suggestion of a 2 gal on top of a 3.5 is probably about right for you. you could use a 1.5" tailpiece in these.

 

[delta9nxs]

I just wanted to let everyone know: I've been a grower for years and I've tried every possible grow operation that I could try and PPK is my ABSOLUTE favorite. I've gotten the best results by a LARGE margin using PPK. Thank you to ALL of ICMAG for your continued interest in PPK and its evolution!

-Grogan

what a nice surprise! thanks joe! you don't have any pics do you?

 

[rover747]

hey buddy, don't use the flat 3 gal containers until we find out what is going on with them.

a 3.5 gal bucket on top of a 3.5 gal bucket will grow 1.5 gal plus plants easily. i would use a 2" tailpiece.

and please no "guru" or any other stuff like that. i don't need or desire the ego massage. i'm just another grower that got lucky with an idea.

the 7 gal containers actually only hold a little more than 5 gals of medium at the depth they operate at. that will grow huge plants but to use all of it you would need to veg at least 6-7 weeks.

the folks getting 3 lb plants are vegging approximately 8 weeks.

i don't see how you can properly illuminate a plant that big with a single light.

after reading all your posts i think that miraculous meds suggestion of a 2 gal on top of a 3.5 is probably about right for you. you could use a 1.5" tailpiece in these.

Thank you !
Guru been said in nice way ,sorry if somehow i cross a line ,no intention here It always excites me when i see when other people sharing knowledge which can lead other people to success.
I always want to do hydro style grows ,but never can make this step ,this thread inspire me ,and i will make transition from dirt to water

 

[Snook]

Thank you !
Guru been said in nice way ,sorry if somehow i cross a line ,no intention here It always excites me when i see when other people sharing knowledge which can lead other people to success.
I always want to do hydro style grows ,but never can make this step ,this thread inspire me ,and i will make transition from dirt to water

It's not 'water' hydro.. its media/hydro. no roots in the water but in the turface, pumice, coco, 8822 or whatever hes using now.

 

[gregor_mendel]

Are people making 2" tailpieces with rectorseal fittings?

 

[delta9nxs]

Thank you !
Guru been said in nice way ,sorry if somehow i cross a line ,no intention here It always excites me when i see when other people sharing knowledge which can lead other people to success.
I always want to do hydro style grows ,but never can make this step ,this thread inspire me ,and i will make transition from dirt to water

naw, you're cool, i got no lines to cross! i just try to discourage that type of stuff. i feel it is a distraction. cannabis growers are farmers and this is agriculture. no magic. just common sense solutions.

dirt is so nasty! how repugnant!

 

[delta9nxs]

Are people making 2" tailpieces with rectorseal fittings?

not yet as i can't find them in the stores but on their site they show them.

i have found a usable substitute at homedepot. it's a flush 2" drain fitting that has to be altered slightly. i'll see if i can find it.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Chief-2-in-Snap-in-Drain-845-2PPK/202313208

i think this is it.

you would only need to snip/grind/cut/drill or something the top one only. the bottom one would hold the screen fine as is.