a ppk for a 6 plant limit

[Boutique Manettino]

Delta9nxs,

Thank you for years of self-less contribution to the community. With legalization there are many new growers and the lucky ones who come across your threads have a very reliable and easy to manage way to get both superb quality and yields as long as they follow along and put in the work.

It's very cool how everyone is using the term "PPK"..... it's obviously caught on and become an accepted term.

It turns out Turface MVP is an exceptional hydroponic medium. Who'd have thought a sports field product would work so well?

 

[av8or]

You know what's superb? Having never grown before 8 months ago, I started with D9's PPK system and followed the advice of all the fellow ppk all stars out there (you all know who you are). I'm cranking out, on average, a 17.2 ounce plant every 8 days and maintaining the twelve plant limit for my two cards. That's superb.

What's even more superb is the positive attitudes of the ppk community members. Half the fun of this system is seeing how everyone adapts the principles for their space and means. I've asked numerous idiotic questions and made plenty of rookie mistakes but everyone around here has always been more than willing to get me back on track.

Hats off to the ppk'ers. What will they think of next?

 

[Ttystikk]

You know what's superb? Having never grown before 8 months ago, I started with D9's PPK system and followed the advice of all the fellow ppk all stars out there (you all know who you are). I'm cranking out, on average, a 17.2 ounce plant every 8 days and maintaining the twelve plant limit for my two cards. That's superb.

What's even more superb is the positive attitudes of the ppk community members. Half the fun of this system is seeing how everyone adapts the principles for their space and means. I've asked numerous idiotic questions and made plenty of rookie mistakes but everyone around here has always been more than willing to get me back on track.

Hats off to the ppk'ers. What will they think of next?

I've been growing in RDWC and that number is not my average, that's my best plant.

Cat Jerkey clearly enjoys ranting. I read the entire thread over the last couple of days and every one of his assertions are either inaccurate or incomplete. His suggestion that RDWC doesn't need oxygenated water because that's not the source of aeration is what tipped me off that maybe bonsai hero boy needs to stick to his miniatures...

Yes, RDWC works and it works well. It's also a huge time suck because of the need for constant attention and adjustment. I'm very interested in PPK because it appears to provide similar performance with drastically less effort or infrastructure.

 

[DunHav`nFun]

I think you`ll find more than a couple folks round here that`ve been growin dope 20 yrs or more , so how bout getting rid of the "lesser than thou" attitude Cat Jockey.......sorry you`re butthurt over the bonsai hero remark but dewd......this is the internet....grow a pair....and then....

Don`t proceed to skim over and proof-read D9`s setup and attempt to de-bunk the whole 9 as being "nothing new under the sun" with growin dope , and you know you`re absolutely right.....

EVERYTHING hydro`s been done before by veggie growers outside in greenhouses or raised beds in every fuckin sized and shaped containers with every substrate known to God and man , and dope growers have adapted to their own use and surroundings to the best of their ability yield wise and end results.....now....

Attacking turface first and then all other aspects of D9`s hybrid setup`s really shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on said hybrid , so let`s walk down that path since I`m most likely the oldest cropper here that`s run as many if not waaaaay more setups than you since the mid 80`s.....

First off , timed top fed setups or ebb and flow/flood and drain setups in buckets or tables or even beds is nothing new under the sun right ?.....but what the PPK does through multiple feeds once rootmass is achieved , is the "gas exchange" that replenishes the rootzone with O2 and pushes out the stagnant leftover O2 drained solution back to rez mixed with all other juice to be re-used.....

That frequent "gas exchange" supercharges the upper container "air roots" for vigorous foliage as well as rootmass building till end of stretch......

The reason D9`s setup needs no chiller to prevent root rot is the same exact reason ebb and flow buckets don`t......upper "air root`s" in upper container with only a small part of the total rootzone being submerged and "gas exchange" with timed feeds occurring often enough to prevent stagnant anaerobic conditions in the bottom containers......again Jockey cat......

Nothing new under the sun , but separate in and unto itself in the way all the parts become the whole of a pretty redundant , damn near grows the plants by itself kinda setup for big plants that works like a mutherfucker with VERY little maintenance from what I`ve seen up to date......

I grew "SWC" krusty buckets for a decade and hated every minute of the high maintenance constant watch needed piece of shit system , but it produced and nothing came close till I switched to 5 gal ebb and flow buckets in fliprooms back to back for perpetual returns another 5 yrs , and then top fed DTW coco in vertical rooms for almost another 4 yrs till retirement , and used lavarock as my substrate for the sized plants D9 and these guys grow.......

Turface seems to be key to this setup as a consistent production machine since some have tried coco and perlite as well as napa floor dry #8822 and not done as well consistently , but I digress.....

D9 apologized twice for calling you a "euro hand-held trimming machine" , so come back with some respect if you plan to continue posting in this thread , cuz it ain`t kiddies round here aight.....

Proof`s in the pudding.....System works and works damn well with MANY pics and testimonials , plus the fact the juice is so damn cheap and easy to mix......even my old ass can do it....and yeah D9.....

I went ahead and built my single module unit that`s as close to your`s as I can get with what I had on hand out in the barn , and got buncha old seedstock sprouted in the compost pile to pick a Chem D x Sfv Og pheno by July 4th when I take it to the lake and transplant it under the steps in a perfectly equipped environment and watts per sq ft almost 5 x 5 x 10' high....

4-600`s on all 4 corners with 2 lights checker-boarding every 6 hrs for only 1200 watt electrical draw but only 12 hrs a day so actually only being billed for 600 watts over 24 hr span......pretty cool huh....

I remembered how Heath did his lights on the monsters he grew as single plants and gotta try it....Wasn`t gonna spill the beans , but it`s been so long since I`ve grown , I`m achin to get enough stash for a loooooog time from just this 1 plant , and that`s how confident I am on this system that stands on it`s own but still just a hybrid hydro setup nonetheless.....regardless....

Respect D9.....Cat jockey.....chill.....life`s too short....almost forgot.....

Happy Memorial Day guys.....Baaaah Beeeee Qqqqq

Peace.....DHF......

 

[Billy Liar]

Good on ya Fred

Getting your feet wet again lol..

Peace
BL

 

[Dready_jake]

I think you`ll find more than a couple folks round here that`ve been growin dope 20 yrs or more , so how bout getting rid of the "lesser than thou" attitude Cat Jockey.......sorry you`re butthurt over the bonsai hero remark but dewd......this is the internet....grow a pair....and then....

Don`t proceed to skim over and proof-read D9`s setup and attempt to de-bunk the whole 9 as being "nothing new under the sun" with growin dope , and you know you`re absolutely right.....

EVERYTHING hydro`s been done before by veggie growers outside in greenhouses or raised beds in every fuckin sized and shaped containers with every substrate known to God and man , and dope growers have adapted to their own use and surroundings to the best of their ability yield wise and end results.....now....

Attacking turface first and then all other aspects of D9`s hybrid setup`s really shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge on said hybrid , so let`s walk down that path since I`m most likely the oldest cropper here that`s run as many if not waaaaay more setups than you since the mid 80`s.....

First off , timed top fed setups or ebb and flow/flood and drain setups in buckets or tables or even beds is nothing new under the sun right ?.....but what the PPK does through multiple feeds once rootmass is achieved , is the "gas exchange" that replenishes the rootzone with O2 and pushes out the stagnant leftover O2 drained solution back to rez mixed with all other juice to be re-used.....

That frequent "gas exchange" supercharges the upper container "air roots" for vigorous foliage as well as rootmass building till end of stretch......

The reason D9`s setup needs no chiller to prevent root rot is the same exact reason ebb and flow buckets don`t......upper "air root`s" in upper container with only a small part of the total rootzone being submerged and "gas exchange" with timed feeds occurring often enough to prevent stagnant anaerobic conditions in the bottom containers......again Jockey cat......

Nothing new under the sun , but separate in and unto itself in the way all the parts become the whole of a pretty redundant , damn near grows the plants by itself kinda setup for big plants that works like a mutherfucker with VERY little maintenance from what I`ve seen up to date......

I grew "SWC" krusty buckets for a decade and hated every minute of the high maintenance constant watch needed piece of shit system , but it produced and nothing came close till I switched to 5 gal ebb and flow buckets in fliprooms back to back for perpetual returns another 5 yrs , and then top fed DTW coco in vertical rooms for almost another 4 yrs till retirement , and used lavarock as my substrate for the sized plants D9 and these guys grow.......

Turface seems to be key to this setup as a consistent production machine since some have tried coco and perlite as well as napa floor dry #8822 and not done as well consistently , but I digress.....

D9 apologized twice for calling you a "euro hand-held trimming machine" , so come back with some respect if you plan to continue posting in this thread , cuz it ain`t kiddies round here aight.....

Proof`s in the pudding.....System works and works damn well with MANY pics and testimonials , plus the fact the juice is so damn cheap and easy to mix......even my old ass can do it....and yeah D9.....

I went ahead and built my single module unit that`s as close to your`s as I can get with what I had on hand out in the barn , and got buncha old seedstock sprouted in the compost pile to pick a Chem D x Sfv Og pheno by July 4th when I take it to the lake and transplant it under the steps in a perfectly equipped environment and watts per sq ft almost 5 x 5 x 10' high....

4-600`s on all 4 corners with 2 lights checker-boarding every 6 hrs for only 1200 watt electrical draw but only 12 hrs a day so actually only being billed for 600 watts over 24 hr span......pretty cool huh....

I remembered how Heath did his lights on the monsters he grew as single plants and gotta try it....Wasn`t gonna spill the beans , but it`s been so long since I`ve grown , I`m achin to get enough stash for a loooooog time from just this 1 plant , and that`s how confident I am on this system that stands on it`s own but still just a hybrid hydro setup nonetheless.....regardless....

Respect D9.....Cat jockey.....chill.....life`s too short....almost forgot.....

Happy Memorial Day guys.....Baaaah Beeeee Qqqqq

Peace.....DHF......

I agree there's hate getting thrown around unnecessarily but gas exchange takes place in any medium being properly used.dwc should have almost constant gas exchange, aero does, Coco is replenishing fresh 0² (for gss exchange) every time you water too, which is why I'm saying mediums are great but hype can be too much sometimes, as I don't see anything that REALLY makes this any better than any other medium. Its Just slightky different.

 

[Snook]

I agree there's hate getting thrown around unnecessarily but gas exchange takes place in any medium being properly used.dwc should have almost constant gas exchange, aero does, Coco is replenishing fresh 0² (for gss exchange) every time you water too, which is why I'm saying mediums are great but hype can be too much sometimes, as I don't see anything that REALLY makes this any better than any other medium. Its Just slightky different.

Brother, you are free to use any media you want.
If you think youre going to change minds here, and you are not wrong... aint happnin.

 

[village green]

So glad to see you are still innovating. I just want to add myself to the list of indebted seed crackers. Once that tailpipe is overgrown the plants are practically indestructible.

 

[Dready_jake]

Brother, you are free to use any media you want.
If you think youre going to change minds here, and you are not wrong... aint happnin.

Not sure what you were saying. I don't think iM trying to change minds, all I'm saying that hype can be just that hype. If you are properly using each medium then the gas exchange should the same each way. But that's where the factor comes in. If you can't keep temps down in dwc then maybe for you something esle is superior. Its not dwc fault necessarily

 

[delta9nxs]

Delta9nxs,

Thank you for years of self-less contribution to the community. With legalization there are many new growers and the lucky ones who come across your threads have a very reliable and easy to manage way to get both superb quality and yields as long as they follow along and put in the work.

It's very cool how everyone is using the term "PPK"..... it's obviously caught on and become an accepted term.

It turns out Turface MVP is an exceptional hydroponic medium. Who'd have thought a sports field product would work so well?

thank you! the evolution of the ppk to date has been a great journey of learning for me. it's been a very rewarding experience!

 

[delta9nxs]

You know what's superb? Having never grown before 8 months ago, I started with D9's PPK system and followed the advice of all the fellow ppk all stars out there (you all know who you are). I'm cranking out, on average, a 17.2 ounce plant every 8 days and maintaining the twelve plant limit for my two cards. That's superb.

What's even more superb is the positive attitudes of the ppk community members. Half the fun of this system is seeing how everyone adapts the principles for their space and means. I've asked numerous idiotic questions and made plenty of rookie mistakes but everyone around here has always been more than willing to get me back on track.

Hats off to the ppk'ers. What will they think of next?

thank you for the kind words! but you're are a quick study. probably the shortest learning curve i've ever seen on the forums.

 

[delta9nxs]

I've been growing in RDWC and that number is not my average, that's my best plant.

Cat Jerkey clearly enjoys ranting. I read the entire thread over the last couple of days and every one of his assertions are either inaccurate or incomplete. His suggestion that RDWC doesn't need oxygenated water because that's not the source of aeration is what tipped me off that maybe bonsai hero boy needs to stick to his miniatures...

Yes, RDWC works and it works well. It's also a huge time suck because of the need for constant attention and adjustment. I'm very interested in PPK because it appears to provide similar performance with drastically less effort or infrastructure.

howdy! and welcome to the most boring way to grow in the world! i've lurked your grows on the forum where they like to roll things in an upward direction and various others. you are highly skilled and know your shit.

i can't wait to see what you will do with this!

 

[delta9nxs]

thank you fred! once again! but really i started this little shit show. i didn't mean to, honest! it was the dabs that made me do it! or the devil! or could it have been the Imp of the Perverse!

that little bastard's been bugging me all my life!

 

[delta9nxs]

Good on ya Fred

Getting your feet wet again lol..

Peace
BL

so, is this just a cameo appearance or are you interested, too? i would love to see one in your hands!

welcome anyway you go!

 

[delta9nxs]

snook, thanks for all your support over the years! but really this is my fault! no big deal anyway. you know i don't let shit bother me.

 

[delta9nxs]

Not sure what you were saying. I don't think iM trying to change minds, all I'm saying that hype can be just that hype. If you are properly using each medium then the gas exchange should the same each way. But that's where the factor comes in. If you can't keep temps down in dwc then maybe for you something esle is superior. Its not dwc fault necessarily

well mr dready, i appreciate your input but you keep referring to "hype". i guess i'm a little confused here. what specifically do you think is hype?

i would like you to quote me where i said that turface or any other calcined clay is the best medium of all. i have never said anything like that. what i said was that it is a superb medium for hydro. and it is. superb just means excellent. it doesn't mean "best"!

also, where have i attacked dwc? please quote me!

i don't think there is any "bad" way to grow weed. if you get a harvest and you are happy that's fine with me.

even if you grow bonsai cannabis plants. it's all cool!

if you will read some of the threads on this device and my experimenting you will see that i used almost every conventional media that you can name in almost every combination. perlite, coco, diatomaceous earth, bark, rice hulls, and turface. turface is just one brand name of the substance, which is calcined clay. hydroton and seramis are calcined clay. the same company that manufactures turface, the profile company, also produces it now as a dedicated hydro medium, amended with zeolite. see the link in one of my posts above.

nasa uses it. i found it when reading research papers. plant researchers love the stuff. i wonder why?

but, as enamored as i am with this superb, lovely stuff i'm about to leave it sobbing in the dust with my other exes. that's right, i selfishly used it for my own needs and then i'm gonna ditch it. another one bites the dust!

well, it's been real! have a good one! and please quote the statements that you think are "hype". please be fair and give me the chance to answer specific instances.

 

[delta9nxs]

So glad to see you are still innovating. I just want to add myself to the list of indebted seed crackers. Once that tailpipe is overgrown the plants are practically indestructible.

hey, vg! long time no see! good to hear from you! you know there is a thread for ppk pictures now and anybody can use it!

later!

 

[Dready_jake]

Ya know, I honestly couldn't find anywhere where you said the turface has a better gas exchange than Any other medium. Its mostly other people claiming that. But really that's all j was concerned about was the claims of better "gas exchange" than Other mediums(my claimed hype), cuz if each medium is used PROPERLY they each should have relatively the same gas exchange.
I'm always interested in each medium and curious of each "popular" method, as you never know what kinda situation I might be in and each has different pros and cons making one better than another for certain situations. But not better than another overall.

And as far as the dwc comment, that note was just about situational issues such as heat in dwc. If someone has an issue with heat in dwc another medium might be better, such as coco or ppk. But to not hate on dwc as that was a situational issue and not a general medium flaw.

 

[Snook]

but, as enamored as i am with this superb, lovely stuff i'm about to leave it sobbing in the dust with my other exes. that's right, i selfishly used it for my own needs and then i'm gonna ditch it. another one bites the dust!
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where are you heading now, D9??

 

[delta9nxs]

Ya know, I honestly couldn't find anywhere where you said the turface has a better gas exchange than Any other medium. Its mostly other people claiming that. But really that's all j was concerned about was the claims of better "gas exchange" than Other mediums(my claimed hype), cuz if each medium is used PROPERLY they each should have relatively the same gas exchange.
I'm always interested in each medium and curious of each "popular" method, as you never know what kinda situation I might be in and each has different pros and cons making one better than another for certain situations. But not better than another overall.

And as far as the dwc comment, that note was just about situational issues such as heat in dwc. If someone has an issue with heat in dwc another medium might be better, such as coco or ppk. But to not hate on dwc as that was a situational issue and not a general medium flaw.

so we're cool then, you and i?