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a ppk for a 6 plant limit
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Snook
Still Learning
yes, those would be good to see again too but I was askin about recent pics of your new feed tub root balls..
i have no recent pics as i have yet to grow anything here. that's about to change as i'm dialing in the first room now getting ready for plants.
RamCTD1027
Member
What's up D9 and fellow PPKers?
I just finished the buildout of a 15' x 15' room and was planning to run coco DTW but after FlowerFarmer mentioned something about PPK to me in a PM, I started doing my research.
Now I think I am convinced on running a PPK in my new flower room. My legal limit is 12 plants but I dont think I can fit that many in this size room. I am planning to build D9's latest design iteration.
My concern is the drain at the bottom of the 70 qt Muck Tub. Has anyone experienced any leaks with this design? I saw FF used bulk-heads and I have seen other PPK set-ups did things a little differently as well. I like the simplicity of the new design but I am nervous about leaks. I do have a bunch of uniseals that I can incorporate into the build but if I can get away with just the hose, I will do so. I plan to build the top feed dish and wick the same as the new design, although I am having trouble sourcing the inside-fit cleanouts. My local home depot and lowes does not carry them.
I look forward to getting some feedback on the latest PPK design by D9 and I am curious if any users out there running this setup would change anything.
Thanks for the help,
Ram
I just finished the buildout of a 15' x 15' room and was planning to run coco DTW but after FlowerFarmer mentioned something about PPK to me in a PM, I started doing my research.
Now I think I am convinced on running a PPK in my new flower room. My legal limit is 12 plants but I dont think I can fit that many in this size room. I am planning to build D9's latest design iteration.
My concern is the drain at the bottom of the 70 qt Muck Tub. Has anyone experienced any leaks with this design? I saw FF used bulk-heads and I have seen other PPK set-ups did things a little differently as well. I like the simplicity of the new design but I am nervous about leaks. I do have a bunch of uniseals that I can incorporate into the build but if I can get away with just the hose, I will do so. I plan to build the top feed dish and wick the same as the new design, although I am having trouble sourcing the inside-fit cleanouts. My local home depot and lowes does not carry them.
I look forward to getting some feedback on the latest PPK design by D9 and I am curious if any users out there running this setup would change anything.
Thanks for the help,
Ram
As long as you follow D9's latest ppk build instructions, you'll have no leaks to worry about. Using a step bit, drill a 13/16" hole in the bottom of your 70qt muck tubs. Once you force the 7/8" OD goodyear hose, thru the smaller 13/16" diameter hole, your left with a extremely tight, leakproof seal!
For the Tom Kap fittings, visit kscdirect.com. Item code Rec 97482 You have to order them by the case (24), which works well for you, since youll need 24 fittings to build a 12 plant PPK system!
As you increase the number of plants in your ppk system, the harder it is to dial in the top feed to be equal at each site. I belive this is something D9 has been working on, and will probably reveal shortly in his latest build! With a 12 plant limit, you may want to think about a perpetual grow of, 2 seperate rooms of 6, or if you have the space, 2 seperate flower rooms of 4 and a veg room of 4 staggered about a month apart....so youll be choppin 4 trees down every 4-5 weeks!
Snook
Still Learning
they be growin trees here 810..
RamCTD1027
Member
Thanks for the replies so far guys!
I know I've read this in one of the ppk threads around here but what is the approx number of gallons in pulse res per plant site?
I was trying to determine how to handle equal volume of water to each plant. I already built the flower room so I can't run flip rooms. What I was thinking of doing was running two separate systems, each watering 6 plants. That should make it easier to provide equal volumes of water to each plant, only having to dial in 6 per system. What do you guys think?
I know I've read this in one of the ppk threads around here but what is the approx number of gallons in pulse res per plant site?
I was trying to determine how to handle equal volume of water to each plant. I already built the flower room so I can't run flip rooms. What I was thinking of doing was running two separate systems, each watering 6 plants. That should make it easier to provide equal volumes of water to each plant, only having to dial in 6 per system. What do you guys think?
That depends on what trying to achieve...a full flood, or pulse feed type of system. Some PPKers believe in the pulse feed type system and have shown great results...this also helps decrease the amount of nutrient solution needed in your pulse res. I cant remember the exact volume in gallons, but D9 was using (4) 27 Gallon HDX Totes linked together by 2" PVC to achieve a full flood on a 12 plant system!
av8or
Member
Hey Ram...I'm glad you are looking into the ppk stuff. I started growing 6 months ago and am now pulling down a one pound plant (minimum) every eight days with your same 12 plant limit. D9 has really nailed down a solid system. So much so that a newb like me is doing great super early. For your pulse/flood question, I'm using a sump pump that supplies 150(ish) gph to each of the 12 sites. My floods last just over a minute and are 90 minutes apart. Initially, the smaller plants with smaller root balls don't flood in my system, but as the roots grow and occupy more space, the flooding becomes more apparent. I should mention that I grow perpetually so I have 8 flowering plants, all eight days apart from another, so I have to meet the floods somewhere in the middle. Not perfect for full size but not perfect for tiny plants. It seems to balance out in the end. Also, I have four plants in veg that are on the same res but in a different room. For all twelve plants I use two of the 27 gallon tubs linked together with 3" conduit. As for your concern about the rubber hose plumbed directly into the 70 qt muck tub, I've not had a single drop of leakage even after mashing on the hoses while walking around the grow room. I was cautious at first too, but now I'm a believer. Metering water to each site is easily accomplished with a ball valve on each ppk site. Best of luck to you. You''re in good hands around here. These guys know their stuff.
RamCTD1027
Member
I've been debating between ppk and DTW coco but after these responses, my decision is settled....going with PPK.
How does everyone handle veg? I come from a coco background so transplanting to a larger pot is pretty simple. I plan to take clones the day before flower and that will leave me with approx 8wks to root and veg. I'd like to veg in turface in either a recirculating drip or small ppk. How well does transplanting work with turface? If the plant is well rooted, can I transplant to the 7gal feed dish easily? Would I be better off vegging in the 7gal feed dish?
I want to get all my ducks in a row so once the system is built, I'm ready to go.
How does everyone handle veg? I come from a coco background so transplanting to a larger pot is pretty simple. I plan to take clones the day before flower and that will leave me with approx 8wks to root and veg. I'd like to veg in turface in either a recirculating drip or small ppk. How well does transplanting work with turface? If the plant is well rooted, can I transplant to the 7gal feed dish easily? Would I be better off vegging in the 7gal feed dish?
I want to get all my ducks in a row so once the system is built, I'm ready to go.
Snook
Still Learning
as you can see, everyone here at club PPK (oh no, not a club) is 'hooked'.. thee biggest drawback is that after it is set up and running, there is nothing really 'new' to consider for growing good herb without typical drama associated with other methods of growing.. media some times generates discussion and there are many coco growers who love it and do not want to give it up. I used to use napa floor dri #8822 because there was no MVP (turface) available in my area also used coco for a run or two two some time back... with the coco, I had gnats, fuggin gnats, found some MVP, use it exclusively now, gno gnats. Configurations change in size some but the concept is the same. Discussions about nutrients and additives are not discussed/argued here in his process. Personally, I like that allot. Good luck, you be pleased.
EDIT: OH! yes, turface is good for all stages, germ to harvest.
Ram, you'll want to at least get a pretty decent root structure established if you plan to move from one container into the 7 Gal pans. I rigged up a little top feed into 5.5" pots of floor dry. When I went to move them into the 7 pans I didn't have enough developed roots and the media just fell away.. leaving me with a exposed and fragile root system to situate down into the large feed pans.
Luckily, they didn't seem to miss a beat and quickly anchored and started growing in their new homes, but it certainly wasn't ideal.
Luckily, they didn't seem to miss a beat and quickly anchored and started growing in their new homes, but it certainly wasn't ideal.
Snook
Still Learning
I seem to remember hearing/seeing that in those sterilite, I call them PPKv's, the clones were transplanted as from those PPKv's as soon as roots were visible at the sides of its' PPKv, both in earlier 5 gallon PPKs and now the 7 gallon feed pot top versions that D9 developed. personally, I get at 2-3 day hiccup in growth and then back to normal, from clone.
welcome to the asylum! thank you for trying the ppk!
as long as you use the goodyear neoprene rubber 5/8" id 7/8" od hose and drill precision 13/16" holes you will never have a leak.
i have done hundreds of them with no leaks. neoprene is what uniseals are made of.
you are in capable hands here with this bunch of cannanuts but if you need anything just holler!
later, d9
georgyporgy
Member
watching this one with interest
Hello everyone.
First off, huge thanks to D9 for putting this whole thing together, this is surely going to be revolutionary for so many.
I've toyed and tinkered for many years, actually. I've made moves to automate so many aspects of the tinkering, that somewhere along the way I think I began to lose track of the whole idea of the automation, which was to SIMPLIFY!!
So, this, is a godsend!
The past few months, in my quest to simplify, I've somehow also developed a brown thumb, and have somehow been able to fuck up the most unfuckable set ups!!
This system seems to make so much sense, and I am looking forward to getting it dialed in.
Here is where I am at, currently.
I have the 70qt muck buckets, and the 40s weren't available anywhere locally.
I have them set in with the corresponding 5gal "trays".
I've built the tailpieces just as described here, and filled with Napa 8822.
I am currently using Ionic nutes, a one part "solution".
I have about a 5" air gap from the bottom of my trays to the surface of the nutes.
My nutes are delivered by a ring with 12 .125" openings, powered by a huge mag drive.
I started with 1 minute every 90 minutes, which would flood my trays about 2/3 of the way up.
This seemed to keep them a little too moist so I cut back to half that (1 minutes every 3 hours), 8x/day.
I changed this before I went out of town for a few days and now that I have returned, it appears I am getting algae at the watering points......
I have 1 600w HPS running 18hrs/day.
My temps are around 70-75deg F.
My tds is 600ppm, and ph is 5.8-6.0.
I also appear to be showing nute deficiencies.....
This was beginning to show before, when I had the nutes a little lower in tds, around 450-500....but I see no change after bumping them up.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.......I am at a loss, idk wtf I am screwing up here.....
First off, huge thanks to D9 for putting this whole thing together, this is surely going to be revolutionary for so many.
I've toyed and tinkered for many years, actually. I've made moves to automate so many aspects of the tinkering, that somewhere along the way I think I began to lose track of the whole idea of the automation, which was to SIMPLIFY!!
So, this, is a godsend!
The past few months, in my quest to simplify, I've somehow also developed a brown thumb, and have somehow been able to fuck up the most unfuckable set ups!!
This system seems to make so much sense, and I am looking forward to getting it dialed in.
Here is where I am at, currently.
I have the 70qt muck buckets, and the 40s weren't available anywhere locally.
I have them set in with the corresponding 5gal "trays".
I've built the tailpieces just as described here, and filled with Napa 8822.
I am currently using Ionic nutes, a one part "solution".
I have about a 5" air gap from the bottom of my trays to the surface of the nutes.
My nutes are delivered by a ring with 12 .125" openings, powered by a huge mag drive.
I started with 1 minute every 90 minutes, which would flood my trays about 2/3 of the way up.
This seemed to keep them a little too moist so I cut back to half that (1 minutes every 3 hours), 8x/day.
I changed this before I went out of town for a few days and now that I have returned, it appears I am getting algae at the watering points......
I have 1 600w HPS running 18hrs/day.
My temps are around 70-75deg F.
My tds is 600ppm, and ph is 5.8-6.0.
I also appear to be showing nute deficiencies.....
This was beginning to show before, when I had the nutes a little lower in tds, around 450-500....but I see no change after bumping them up.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.......I am at a loss, idk wtf I am screwing up here.....
Snook
Still Learning
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