Do you take the main top for your clone?
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a ppk for a 6 plant limit
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Do you take the main top for your clone?
Welcoming my new lil guy into the world
congratulations! i hope he grows up in a world of peace, equal opportunity, and equal justice.
d9
and yes, when i'm in "production" i like to take the meristem. but i'm working on a mass cloning technique that will allow perhaps hundreds of cuts from a single plant.
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
If ur asking for a strategic reason, I don't like taking the top of the plant. But it can be a strain specific decision. If u need more branching from a plant that just grows pole like and doesn't shoot laterals that well, this is an excellent choice. If u already have a strain that grows laterally like crazy, then this is a bad choice cause u will end up with a bunch of week scraggly laterals instead of a few dominate tops. It comes down to what u want to accomplish by shaping ur plant if ur going to use that plant to flower. If its just a donor, or mother plant for clone stock then it does not matter.
I know I don't like topping mainly because it takes a couple to few weeks to gain the vigor again so not to effect flowering.
Congrats on the new kid grow4flow.
Thank you! i hope the same. It has been said many times over that children are an investment, look is like i need to start a 3rd college fund!
If ur asking for a strategic reason, I don't like taking the top of the plant. But it can be a strain specific decision. If u need more branching from a plant that just grows pole like and doesn't shoot laterals that well, this is an excellent choice. If u already have a strain that grows laterally like crazy, then this is a bad choice cause u will end up with a bunch of week scraggly laterals instead of a few dominate tops. It comes down to what u want to accomplish by shaping ur plant if ur going to use that plant to flower. If its just a donor, or mother plant for clone stock then it does not matter.
I know I don't like topping mainly because it takes a couple to few weeks to gain the vigor again so not to effect flowering.
Congrats on the new kid grow4flow.
Yeah, i understand the idea and i don't take the main either, but for shaping a just supercrop. Just happened to notice what looked to be some mains for the clones.
Thanks for the congrats!
D9,
I'm anxiously awaiting some pics of your NEW cloning system!
youre getting allot of rep for that G4F.. seems we all are easily amused..
EDIT: oh, I forgot, very nicely done, thanks
Thanks, never did this before so i too was easily amused going through it.
Cool gif G4F.
Not to bust your balls, but you need to drop that float down a little so the water level is even in the pulse rez and your lower container. Doesn't really depict that the float there is actually what is controlling the water level, & thus moisture level in the root zone. Might help folks understand a bit more clearly.
I was trying to explain to a friend last time the awesomeness that is the PPK in that it's a hybrid system... a passive wick (with control there) as well as an actived flash flood (with more even control). Things really start clicking when one understands this and the whole hydraulic hook up action that takes place during a full saturation flood when plumbed and ran properly.
I'm on a mission to correct my setup tomorrow. I need to tape up some holes and re-do some plumbing to achieve a full pulse. With 2 linked strong boxes as my pulse rez below a 100Gal farm tank I've got a pulse rez capable of a full flood, but I've only been employing a wave feed (due to holes drilled in my upper container) . I'm not hooking up at all per se as I've plenty of water qty in my pulse rez... it doesn't hardly budge during a feed cycle.
Not to bust your balls, but you need to drop that float down a little so the water level is even in the pulse rez and your lower container. Doesn't really depict that the float there is actually what is controlling the water level, & thus moisture level in the root zone. Might help folks understand a bit more clearly.
I was trying to explain to a friend last time the awesomeness that is the PPK in that it's a hybrid system... a passive wick (with control there) as well as an actived flash flood (with more even control). Things really start clicking when one understands this and the whole hydraulic hook up action that takes place during a full saturation flood when plumbed and ran properly.
I'm on a mission to correct my setup tomorrow. I need to tape up some holes and re-do some plumbing to achieve a full pulse. With 2 linked strong boxes as my pulse rez below a 100Gal farm tank I've got a pulse rez capable of a full flood, but I've only been employing a wave feed (due to holes drilled in my upper container) . I'm not hooking up at all per se as I've plenty of water qty in my pulse rez... it doesn't hardly budge during a feed cycle.
Yup, i know, i caught that half way through, but i was already 30+ frames in, and thought it would be a PIA to correct them all, i'll do a new one once i have some time.
D9,
What pump size do you recommend for 6 sites? i have been running 2 site systems with a 600gph pump with more than enough flow for some time, now i'm running 6 sites with a 1056gph EcoPlus pump and i can't get it to flood, but anything bigger would be a sump pump, what are you using now?
What pump size do you recommend for 6 sites? i have been running 2 site systems with a 600gph pump with more than enough flow for some time, now i'm running 6 sites with a 1056gph EcoPlus pump and i can't get it to flood, but anything bigger would be a sump pump, what are you using now?
hello everyone! glad to see this thread alive and well. building my third ppk at the moment but i was wondering if i would be better off building multiple separate systems to flower 24+ plants(as in 4 sets of six) or if it is more practical to one big one, or two sets of twelve?? there are a bunch of rooted plugs of OG Raskal's OGK getting vegged up right now so there is plenty of time to decide and build. they will be vegged as show above in containers of turface, hand watered until big enough to enter the ppk's to flower.
Thank AV8or,
Thats what i needed, what size control rez are you using?
Welcome back DH!!
Glad to hear you are getting back into it. hell, you got everything you need already built, throw it together and let see the journal
Grow4flow,
If your using the 70qt muck tubs, 2 of the commander xxl totes that d9 shows in a rescent build, linked together is sufficient for a full flood on a 6 plant system...or it would take 3 of the Brute totes ive seen in your original ppk build linked together. I went with the commander xxl's and 2 950 GPH Mag Drive Pumps, 1 in each tote for a 6 site system.
If your using the 70qt muck tubs, 2 of the commander xxl totes that d9 shows in a rescent build, linked together is sufficient for a full flood on a 6 plant system...or it would take 3 of the Brute totes ive seen in your original ppk build linked together. I went with the commander xxl's and 2 950 GPH Mag Drive Pumps, 1 in each tote for a 6 site system.
right now there are 24 5 footers in coco that will be flowered in two vertical rows with bulbs down the center. gonna run about 8kw on those bithces and they seem to be stacking hard. they are about two weeks in right now, but had to move abruptly so they arent under the best lighting at the moment. electrical is done, ventilation goes up tomorrow and then they get moved to their permanent spot on the floor with full light.
is anyone doing overhead lighting with the ppks? wanna set up vert for the winter but cant afford to cool a vert bare bulb grow in the summer.....or at least dont wanna lol. it would be a nightmare. for the time being they are vert in coco for the winter but the PPK run is leaning towards traditional overhead lighting with a/c hoods which makes me sad haha. im all ears as far as suggestions.
is anyone doing overhead lighting with the ppks? wanna set up vert for the winter but cant afford to cool a vert bare bulb grow in the summer.....or at least dont wanna lol. it would be a nightmare. for the time being they are vert in coco for the winter but the PPK run is leaning towards traditional overhead lighting with a/c hoods which makes me sad haha. im all ears as far as suggestions.
wow, a lot going on in here! i'll be back in the morning but right now i will just leave some of the cloner pics i promised. more of another style tomorrow.
in the first pic there is a pump in the left side feeding both.
the six hoses on the floor connect them with enough flow capacity so the pump doesn't starve. i'm still amazed this doesn't leak! i've done hundreds of them now and none leak.
the second pic shows the float level control bucket which is hooked to the right hand set of tubs. trash can as a bulk res at 300 ppm (jacks) feeding the float bucket.
yes, that's a current culture bucket being used as a stand for the bulk res. gotta get some use out of them, heh, heh!
float bucket inside.
it's connected to the tubs via tire valves and 1/4" vinyl tubing. tire valves are to restrict flow.
if you look closely you can see the humidity and temps for the last 24 hours. the instruments were just moved from different places in the room for the shot. i like 65-70% rh and 80-82f in the whole room so no domes are necessary.
the first time i used these i rooted 35-40 cuts in each one. but that's really too crowded.
these were emergency cloners sort of and the ones i'm building now are more suited for "production" plants.
pics of it tomorrow.
the last pic shows the new Blueprint brand digital repeat cycle timer next to my now discontinued sentinel drt-1. i haven't used the blueprints yet but will soon.
in the first pic there is a pump in the left side feeding both.
the six hoses on the floor connect them with enough flow capacity so the pump doesn't starve. i'm still amazed this doesn't leak! i've done hundreds of them now and none leak.
the second pic shows the float level control bucket which is hooked to the right hand set of tubs. trash can as a bulk res at 300 ppm (jacks) feeding the float bucket.
yes, that's a current culture bucket being used as a stand for the bulk res. gotta get some use out of them, heh, heh!
float bucket inside.
it's connected to the tubs via tire valves and 1/4" vinyl tubing. tire valves are to restrict flow.
if you look closely you can see the humidity and temps for the last 24 hours. the instruments were just moved from different places in the room for the shot. i like 65-70% rh and 80-82f in the whole room so no domes are necessary.
the first time i used these i rooted 35-40 cuts in each one. but that's really too crowded.
these were emergency cloners sort of and the ones i'm building now are more suited for "production" plants.
pics of it tomorrow.
the last pic shows the new Blueprint brand digital repeat cycle timer next to my now discontinued sentinel drt-1. i haven't used the blueprints yet but will soon.
av8or
Member
G4F,
I'm actually using a Pelican-hardigg case.
http://www.pelican-case.com/tl3619.html
I absolutely DO NOT recommend using this for a rez. Not because it doesn't work well (it works exceedingly well), but because it costs a couple hundred dollars. It may seem insane for me to use such an expensive tote, but I had it laying around, courtesy of my....previous employer.
i forgot to mention that these are using the standard 3" tailpiece shown at the beginning of the thread. 4" air gap flooded every three hours.
i'm working on a bulk cloner that will root hundreds of tiny cuts. by tiny i mean 2" with 0-1 nodes and stems less than 1/16" in diameter.
this would allow growing a single donor plant to about 5-6', shaping it by defoliation and a lot of blue light to keep nodes tight, and taking 500 cuts from it.
5 of the plants in the second pic below were taken at that size.
i'm working on a bulk cloner that will root hundreds of tiny cuts. by tiny i mean 2" with 0-1 nodes and stems less than 1/16" in diameter.
this would allow growing a single donor plant to about 5-6', shaping it by defoliation and a lot of blue light to keep nodes tight, and taking 500 cuts from it.
5 of the plants in the second pic below were taken at that size.
