A novel experiment the effect of environment on the selection of cannabinoid content

[Chamba]

"The strongest herbs I ever smoked were always seeded (several degrees)"

and

"well, that is true, although i was not saying seeded bud is stronger (neither was Raco), just that for some reason the strongest bud i have had has always been seeded, and when i mean strong, i do not mean stoney effect, i mean a full blown psychedelic effect."

????...perhaps I need to improve my reading comprehension? ....

how can "it" be regarded as stronger if you didn't compare with side by side clones?...please fill me in here...

anyway, there are lots of people that say the same based on anecdotal impressions........what is your theory why seeded bud is stronger and more psychedelic?

 

[Raco]

Ok Chamba,
I´ve grown hundreds of colombian plants in XXX years as grower!!
The plant above was just one that I grew outdoors in a sheltered place...
NOW,
I´d love to know your take on the following subject:
THE "TROPICALIZATION" OF THE AFGHANIS
According to Clarke,afghani seeds and afghani farmers to tend them were taken to "Los LLanos" region of Colombia,around 1976....
I say this because yesterday I received a fair amount of Love Potion f2´s that Bacchus made,along with other hybrid that also contains Santa Marta Gold ...
Santa Marta Gold...

 

[Chamba]

why is seeded bud (with all things being equal) stronger than sensi..I gave you my "theory", what's yours?

"I´ve grown hundreds of colombian plants in XXX years as grower!!
The plant above was just one that I grew outdoors in a sheltered place..."

out of the hundreds did you ever compare a seeded branch and an unseeded branch from the same tree?..I have on several occasions and found the seeded bud gave a more stonier effect, the unseeded bud gave a higher high (reasons above)

Lebanese? Sth America, 1976?? sorry, I'm not familiar with anything about that...I don't get it what's your point ..please fill me in!

 

[Raco]

Chamba,
My english is lacking...and when I´m high(right now,lmao) it´s even worse!!
Well,I think that buds containing mature seeds are more "ripe" or fully done or whatever!!
and my point is that many of the so-called "sativas" have afghan genetics in them

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Chamba, again, for some reason the seeded punto rojo and corintiano i have had (keep in mind i only have smoked these strains seeded and grown in Colombia) has been stronger/more psychedelic than any other non-seeded strains i have had.
there's no theory on why seeded bud is stronger than sinsemilla being discussed here, it is just that i (and i suspect Raco as well) have came across some mind-blowing seeded bud. also, consider the possibility that some seeded bud grown in the proper climate by a real herbsman can be stronger than non-seeded bud grown by a newbie like myself.
peace!

 

[Chamba]

out of the hundreds did you ever compare a seeded branch and an unseeded branch from the same tree

perhaps try this experiment with a few of your girls this year and report back to us....cos if we don't compare apples with apples then it's just anedotal guesswork, not scientific isn't it?

Happy growing!

 

[afropips]

Hi Zam,
My Golly Goodness Gracious Me!
Relax - You have obviously misunderstood what questions I have been asking
of you as you still fail to answer them!

The same latitude as Cape Town is what I misunderstood.
I now realise you are in a the Northern latitude with the same corresponding degree no's but its not the same line of latitude. This is where the misunderstanding has arrised with my answers to some of your questions regards genetic drift.

But between Paz & I,
I am sure we must have answered all of your questions as best we could!

Nowhere did I say you were a cop but now that you mention it, Lol!
Neither am I calling you out as a fraud just requesting more info that makes sense too me so I may answer you with the most accurate answer I can.

Please also take into account there are many different verions of English.
African, American & Australian English may as well all be different languages.
It is the same as others members who are from different Spanish speaking
regions. The Tower Of Babel & the result is what we have to contend with.
Its very easy to misunderstand eack other that is why I request many direct questions.

Sorry you have got offended over a misunderstanding &
As for the rest of your incorrect assumptions I am going to ignore
until I am awake & perhaps you will edit them to your benefit to avoid further
embarrasement.

The second post sounds like you are a seed vendor in competition.
Has that been the hidden agenda for acting as a promoter for Afropips?
You know I am the sole Afropips Minister of Propaganda! (Jest)
& I would'nt have you taking my job now, would I! Lol

I will reply to your PM ASAP.

Sincerest apologies for the misunderstanding............

 

[Chamba]

Afropips - what are your thoughts on the potency/strength of seeded and unseeded bud?......which is stronger in your opinion and why?

 

[DocLeaf]

I can take the debate but I won't stand for being called a cop by a moderator.

Buy him/her a lesson on you. I n I don't blame you, we wouldn't stand for that either. Perhaps he/she will realise their stupidity and stfu (?)

later DocLeaf

edit: perhaps it was just a cross-wire,,, no offense AP, but Zam helps me and many others keep our feet rooted firmly in the ground,,, him the dan-gar-gan of landrace genetics,,, yo never know yo might even learn a thing or two from this dude. peace out

"some u'll try and stir you wrong, Im not one of those people..." B.Real

 

[afropips]

Muli Bwino Chambe!
I love short quick concise questions! Lol

I would be pleased to answer with my discoveries.

I have tested both the seeded & sensi Malawi Gold Indoor cultivated buds
& I prefer the seeded bud to the sensi for taste & effect.
You have the added surface area of the richly covered trichome seed coats
that adds potency to the high & subtly changes the taste.

I have only tested the seeded version of the same Malawi genetics I grew indoors, Outdoors in the southern hemi' so I can't make a comparison between the seeded & sensi but the seeded cob cured buds grown & produced down south taste better than both the seeded & sensi indoor buds but I can not make a comparison beween the high perceived.

Cool Runnings..........

 

[DocLeaf]

hi afro pips

Do you have a photo of the Malawi Gold?

(this I'd like to see... please)

peace n bloom
dLeaf

 

[Guest]

Hey guys, ,i dunno if you stil seem to think Zam is a cop...
Pretty stupid eh?
In any case, here is some proof.
I got this package on monday, from Zam.
very cool guy, very generous

heres the link to my grow thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=483509#post483509

 

[Chamba]

Nepthaze wrote "Hey guys, ,i dunno if you stil seem to think Zam is a cop...
Pretty stupid eh?"

please re-read the thread...no one mentioned the word cop until Zamalito did ..is everyone clear on that?....I think Zam overeacted and used the wrong choice of words...we're growers and smokers, not writers!....anyway it happens..nothing a quick edit won't fix

Afropips wrote - "I have tested both the seeded & sensi Malawi Gold Indoor cultivated buds
& I prefer the seeded bud to the sensi for taste & effect.
You have the added surface area of the richly covered trichome seed coats
that adds potency to the high & subtly changes the taste."

interesting!.......I don't mean to split hairs hairs here ...but were the clones picked at the same time?...seeded bud tends to be ready a week earlier than sense..that might account for the seeded being better?..next time I seed some branches I'll make sure I re-test my theory..as it seems I'm the only one who feels that way ..lol

 

[zamalito]

Look guys the last thing I want to do is cause infighting. I'm gonna take my belt in a few notches bite my tongue and apologize. Hopefully the rest if we're thinking of mean or disruptive things to say can do the same.

 

[afropips]

Hi Chambe,
It is a general observation I have deduced by running several generations of multiple grows. I Only pollinate a few plants & the remaining sensi plants are harvested later when they are ready.

Yes! it is rather unfortunate that we have to contend with misunderstandings
but such is Life. Hopefully Zam will get some rest & realise the misunderstanding
to withdraw the malicious acusations.

There is enough misunderstanding all ready in the grow world
due to unstandardised terminology printed in the different grow books.

Keep on Toking...........

 

[zamalito]

I will change the subject for the sake of civility.

I'd really like to pick the brains of the south american guys for a sec. I'm curious as to what makes columbian black black. Also is corinto the same thing as monstruo?

 

[afropips]

Zamalito,
I would also edit your malicious unwelcome accusations
before I feel the need to defend Afropips from you trying to discredit
I with your unfounded theories & misinformed posts.

What is your problem with not beeing able to answer valid questions?
All this Baloney could have been avoided if you did but hey
maybe you are yanking my chain from the start!

I still have not heard the answers to the most important questions
that I PM'd to you!

The Runnings...........

 

[zamalito]

I apologized publicly and privately and deleted my post asking how you obtained your landraces and I attempted to change the subject. As far as your question. I'm not sure what porkies are. I thought they were cops but I think you're saying they arent. If they are the answer to one of your questions is I didn't give your address to law enforcement. If porkies aren't law enforcement please tell me what they are. As far as other question I'm thinking it was sent airmail. I normally send global priority or global express. I sent a few letters out at the same time as yours and didn't have the cash on hand to send them all gpm I sent yours a cheaper method. Since mail has to cross water to get from me to you I guess it was airmail. I get many pm's and its hard for me to respond to all of them. I really didn't feel that your question was that important since I wasn't asking for anything in return. I assumed you do business with your mail service on a regular basis and the possibility that others money and seed orders randomly arriving would be of enough importance to check your mail frequently.

As far as my motives or having a hidden agenda like you said in response to my apology I've never asked for one cent for any seed I've sent out not even to cover shipping costs. I've been asked by a few to place landrace seeds that aren't commercially available up for auction and I plan to raise some money for charity by doing this but I don't consider myself a competitor to any major seed company. Those that know me know I push and stand by brazilian seed company 100% but have no afiliation with them. If I was going to raise baseless accusations of seed merchants to advance a hidden agenda I wouldn't vigorously stand by a company I'm not afiliated with, would I?

 

[Raco]

"I'm curious as to what makes columbian black black. Also is corinto the same thing as monstruo?"

According to M. Stark,the Wacky Weed produces so much resin that suffocates itself and turns grey and then black.No mold issues.
I think that Black Colombian and Wacky Weed are the same thing...or very close
Then there is the Corinto monster...I think that it´s Mangobiche.Also think that the Corinto strain is different than the mango.
Aldous should know...

 

[afropips]

Hiya Zam,
Damn Sorry Man! Porkies is cockney rhyming slang
for Pork Pies which translated means - lies.
The Dog & Bone is a phone & apples & pears are stairs!
So all I was saying that things did not add up
& was asking you in a humerous British unoffensive way.
(Sorry I should have used more International English)
Perhaps I also wrongly perceived your lack of entertaining
my questions as a form of avoidance hence the Porkies question.

I also mentioned I am very suspicious of people probably to my own detriment
but we are what we are.
I am quite comfortable beeing a reclusive loner the past 6 years!

I really can not take the "I will be feeling like a prick" statement you addresed at I
seriously when you release your seeds though.
The same way that I can not afford to get offended by
Afropimps, Afrotits & Afrorips accusations anymore.

I have also been guilty of taking things too personal in the past
due to the mood I may be in.
I hope we can put this behind us now & get back to the more important &
enthusiastic discussion regards the favorite plants.

Cool Runnings..........