THSeek said:
holy crap, 9 months veg! coolness
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A novel experiment the effect of environment on the selection of cannabinoid content
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holy crap, 9 months veg! coolness
I'm not sure yet how to actually calculate fiber content but there are two factors with regard to fiber. Fiber content and fiber quality. Long nodal spacing is important. Hollow stems in between the nodes is indicative of a high fiber content most fiber strains have a narrow hollow spot directly at the node. I'm thinking that the strain you mentioned produces a strong fiber. Also if the strain you mentioned becomes tough after flowering the toughness may be due to a high lignin content. Lignin is what makes the stems brittle and harder to train a few weeks after the onset of flowering.
afropips
Active member
Hi,
Malawi Gold has a high fibre & strong fibre.
Breeding for Hemp fibre & breeding for potency are 2 different things.
I dont know Starck but I agree with Clarke.
I would very much doubt that hemp seed growers are testing the potent cannabis varieties for the optimum fibre production.
Cannabis was originally bred for food & then potency.
Hemp is a low grade cannabis variety that has lost its potency due to beeing moved North by man. The acclimatised survivors producing only hemp fibre due to the lack of Suns Rays & UV.
Please cut & paste the info from the link you are referring too regards hemp beeing grown in low latitudes that has reverted back to its original potency & fibre content because I read it twice fast & did not find it.
But it makes sense that the hemp plant will revert to its original potency if taken back south.
You state & ask "I agree that high ultraviolet levels increase cannabinoid content in a single given specimen but how does this happen over generations?"
Traditional farmers have been selecting combining & growing for potency
over numerous decades to produce the landrace or heirloom varieties
that all the so called incorrectly characterised "Elite strains" are based on.
You then ask 2 half mixed up questions in one:- "Do plants that produce more thc grow healthier under high ultraviolet light. Is there a paticular phenotype that does well under high uv and is also high thc?"
The best I can do to explain the answer is:-
Selected Potent varieties that produce THC grow healthier under UV light
although THC ratios have a small part to play in the high & taste perceived.
There are other cannibinols like CBD & THCV to take into account that are effected by UV light.
As I mentioned before there will be some experiments done soon regards the effect of UV light to discover the effects of UV on THCV produced & Potency & taste perceived with Malawi Gold grown indoors.
Did you Know that a sentence ending with a ? symbol means I am asking you a question that I would like to be answered.
What date did you post them & what method was used Airmail or Surface or
were you telling porkies?
I am very suspicious of claims & you claim to be at the same latitude as Cape Town.
Correct me If I am wrong but 1+1 is not equalling 2 in my Book!
The words you use & lack of structured paragraphs are typically North American.
Please explain?
Cool Runnings........
Malawi Gold has a high fibre & strong fibre.
Breeding for Hemp fibre & breeding for potency are 2 different things.
I dont know Starck but I agree with Clarke.
I would very much doubt that hemp seed growers are testing the potent cannabis varieties for the optimum fibre production.
Cannabis was originally bred for food & then potency.
Hemp is a low grade cannabis variety that has lost its potency due to beeing moved North by man. The acclimatised survivors producing only hemp fibre due to the lack of Suns Rays & UV.
Please cut & paste the info from the link you are referring too regards hemp beeing grown in low latitudes that has reverted back to its original potency & fibre content because I read it twice fast & did not find it.
But it makes sense that the hemp plant will revert to its original potency if taken back south.
You state & ask "I agree that high ultraviolet levels increase cannabinoid content in a single given specimen but how does this happen over generations?"
Traditional farmers have been selecting combining & growing for potency
over numerous decades to produce the landrace or heirloom varieties
that all the so called incorrectly characterised "Elite strains" are based on.
You then ask 2 half mixed up questions in one:- "Do plants that produce more thc grow healthier under high ultraviolet light. Is there a paticular phenotype that does well under high uv and is also high thc?"
The best I can do to explain the answer is:-
Selected Potent varieties that produce THC grow healthier under UV light
although THC ratios have a small part to play in the high & taste perceived.
There are other cannibinols like CBD & THCV to take into account that are effected by UV light.
As I mentioned before there will be some experiments done soon regards the effect of UV light to discover the effects of UV on THCV produced & Potency & taste perceived with Malawi Gold grown indoors.
Did you Know that a sentence ending with a ? symbol means I am asking you a question that I would like to be answered.
What date did you post them & what method was used Airmail or Surface or
were you telling porkies?
I am very suspicious of claims & you claim to be at the same latitude as Cape Town.
Correct me If I am wrong but 1+1 is not equalling 2 in my Book!
The words you use & lack of structured paragraphs are typically North American.
Please explain?
Cool Runnings........
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guys,your knowledge amazes me!!
Well,Afropips,once you said that you believe that cannabis originated in Africa and reached Asia with the first human migrations...right?
I also thought the same for years...because of what I heard of the pygmees and such
Then I bought Rc Clarke´s "Hashish!",in 1999 I think....and followed the arrows.
BUT.....then after ATAPUERCA was discovered,well,they say that most probably the human originated in Eurasia and migrated to Africa.
Sorry if I´m going off-topic
I know a lot of killifish collectors,and Malawi cichlids as well....ppl that travelled to Cameroon (ie) told me that they were told that they don´t pull out the males because the sinse is tooooo strong....I don´t know if I believe this or not...I worked 2 years with English and Canadian workmates that came to Spain with all the gear straight from Zaire,in 1982 or 83...I saw many pics of the ganja fields
Keep posting dudes....you kick-ass!!
Well,Afropips,once you said that you believe that cannabis originated in Africa and reached Asia with the first human migrations...right?
I also thought the same for years...because of what I heard of the pygmees and such
Then I bought Rc Clarke´s "Hashish!",in 1999 I think....and followed the arrows.
BUT.....then after ATAPUERCA was discovered,well,they say that most probably the human originated in Eurasia and migrated to Africa.
Sorry if I´m going off-topic
I know a lot of killifish collectors,and Malawi cichlids as well....ppl that travelled to Cameroon (ie) told me that they were told that they don´t pull out the males because the sinse is tooooo strong....I don´t know if I believe this or not...I worked 2 years with English and Canadian workmates that came to Spain with all the gear straight from Zaire,in 1982 or 83...I saw many pics of the ganja fields
Keep posting dudes....you kick-ass!!
afropips
Active member
Hiya Raco,
Thanks for the heads up.
I see we have some common interests.
There is nothing quite amazing as swimming in the natural
Lake Malawi Aquarium.
The Cichlids are numerous in variety & some are a splendid electric blue & they will
eat from your hand if you swim with a piece of bread.
They chase after you while swimming & nibble the toes & nipples.
Quite strange for the uniniated.
The fact that these particular Mbuna (Tropical Fish) varieties are only found in Lake Malawi & no where else on the planet makes it a really special place.
Thanks for the great info & the Aussie testers that are growing the Malawi Gold Sensi
in virtually the same latitude that mention it as "Rocket Fuel".
Cool Runnings.........
Thanks for the heads up.
I see we have some common interests.
There is nothing quite amazing as swimming in the natural
Lake Malawi Aquarium.
The Cichlids are numerous in variety & some are a splendid electric blue & they will
eat from your hand if you swim with a piece of bread.
They chase after you while swimming & nibble the toes & nipples.
Quite strange for the uniniated.
The fact that these particular Mbuna (Tropical Fish) varieties are only found in Lake Malawi & no where else on the planet makes it a really special place.
Thanks for the great info & the Aussie testers that are growing the Malawi Gold Sensi
in virtually the same latitude that mention it as "Rocket Fuel".
Cool Runnings.........
Yeah,Mbuna are beautiful...but agressive eh?
I bred discusfish by the thousands.in the 90´s.I had several pics on OG....very unique fish as well...jejejej!!Out of this world
An anthropologist (sp?) told me that the pygmees consifer themselves superior to the apes because they smoke cannabis,that´s one of the reasons
I bred discusfish by the thousands.in the 90´s.I had several pics on OG....very unique fish as well...jejejej!!Out of this world
An anthropologist (sp?) told me that the pygmees consifer themselves superior to the apes because they smoke cannabis,that´s one of the reasons
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Raco said:
hola raco, como va eso bro?
I'm gonna go a bit off topic, but some of the strongest most psychedelic smokes i have had, have been seeded bud! the herb was grown in Colombia, old school genetics, specifically Corintiano and Punto Rojo. In contrast, in the U.S i got the chance to try some of those famous strains like bubblegum and haze, and the only one that was strong enough to compare to the colombian herb i just mentioned was the haze, and it wasn't as strong, the bubblegum was pretty stoney, very low psychedelic effect. i wonder whether seeded is less strong or whether it is a better options because you get more bud rather than seeds? i once started a thread on the subject and it didn't turn out that great though...
peace man.
Tripco
Active member
There is defenetly something different in African sativas isn't it? It seems that south asian sativas (even their origin is pretty north) cann't perform well in some cooler subtropical areas of Europe and North America. Latin American too, except some mexican landraces. But i read many posts people been growin' outdoors african ganja succesfuly (except those from Guinean Bay - Nigerian, Ghanian...) in subtropical and moderate climate. Probably there is something more than latitude and UV index.
On the other side, i saw (and smoked) some turkish landrace grown outdoors in Serbia (i've always thought they are indicas, but since Zamalito told me it could be sativa i reconsidered my opinion and they are defenetly something inbetween). Those from lowlands were more indica/stone (even they weren't harvested too late). Those from the highlands were always very sativa tripy (even they're fully ripe).
What does it tell us? Nothing new, just that more UV light (in the highlands) produces more THC.
On the other side, i saw (and smoked) some turkish landrace grown outdoors in Serbia (i've always thought they are indicas, but since Zamalito told me it could be sativa i reconsidered my opinion and they are defenetly something inbetween). Those from lowlands were more indica/stone (even they weren't harvested too late). Those from the highlands were always very sativa tripy (even they're fully ripe).
What does it tell us? Nothing new, just that more UV light (in the highlands) produces more THC.
C
Chamba
Paz wrote "i wonder whether seeded is less strong or whether it is a better options because you get more bud rather than seeds? i once started a thread on the subject and it didn't turn out that great though..."
I've grown clones side by side ..some were seeded and some were sense....I'm of the opinion that seeded bud is not stronger, but stonier and has less cerebral effects.....I think this is due to the fact that once a bud is seeded, each pollenated calyx slows down new trichome/resin production and so at harvest there are a higher % of older/mature resin heads..whereas the unseeded calyxes continue to produce new trichomes and so at harvest has a higher combination of old and younger trichomes/resin heads which give a more cerebral 'high" than seed bud hence the difference in the highs....this is more noticable with long flowerers....the "stone" effect may be misinterperted as being "stronger"
anyway 99% of the time when anyone says " seeded bud is stronger" they never seem to say that " we grew identical clones under the same conditions etc etc " ..it always seems this folklore comes from impressions of one sample of seeded bud only
and Zam...no need to apologize at all.....I tend to go off on an tangent ...and my "bed-side manner" often leaves a lot to be desired! lol
I've grown clones side by side ..some were seeded and some were sense....I'm of the opinion that seeded bud is not stronger, but stonier and has less cerebral effects.....I think this is due to the fact that once a bud is seeded, each pollenated calyx slows down new trichome/resin production and so at harvest there are a higher % of older/mature resin heads..whereas the unseeded calyxes continue to produce new trichomes and so at harvest has a higher combination of old and younger trichomes/resin heads which give a more cerebral 'high" than seed bud hence the difference in the highs....this is more noticable with long flowerers....the "stone" effect may be misinterperted as being "stronger"
anyway 99% of the time when anyone says " seeded bud is stronger" they never seem to say that " we grew identical clones under the same conditions etc etc " ..it always seems this folklore comes from impressions of one sample of seeded bud only
and Zam...no need to apologize at all.....I tend to go off on an tangent ...and my "bed-side manner" often leaves a lot to be desired! lol
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I'll resend the letter to you afropips. There are several who're running my seeds on this forum. You're gonna feel like a real prick when it shows up. I even have one memberr running a smoke test on the ghanaian accra skunk that will post it when he gets a chance. How dare you, man.
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Chamba
:"If anyone wishes to reach me I'll be around to pick up my pm's but screw this I'm not gonna help you advertise your crap anymore. You're just another exploitive cracker profiting off of the hard work of the native peoples of the world."
I just noticed this.....let me be the first to say "don't get your knickers in a knot" sheesh!...if a poster has the "audacity" to question your statements or theories....don't take it to heart....develop a thicker skin!...don't take everything so personal!
or some might consider you insecure
I just noticed this.....let me be the first to say "don't get your knickers in a knot" sheesh!...if a poster has the "audacity" to question your statements or theories....don't take it to heart....develop a thicker skin!...don't take everything so personal!
or some might consider you insecure
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Chamba
when someone "attacks" you online - do what I do ...disarm them with satire..or ignore them ..either way you win
or just take the HIGH road
or just take the HIGH road
Chamba said:
well, that is true, although i was not saying seeded bud is stronger (neither was Raco), just that for some reason the strongest bud i have had has always been seeded, and when i mean strong, i do not mean stoney effect, i mean a full blown psychedelic effect.
it would be good to be able to get my hands on some of that punto rojo or corintiano with seeds again and then grow some sinsemilla out of the seeds. but well, also like Raco said, there are average growers (like myself, still a newbie) and herbsmen, like the colombians.
peace!
edit: Raco, are those cogollos from the Alibi? que belleza!
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Chamba
"I grew this colombian "tree" last season.Chaman gifted me the seeds.It flowered and finished,but the product was smokable but not very good.I have got much better results with nigerian and senegalese strains (and congolese)"
it's always difficult to make judgements based on a small sample...but quality always tends to show through...perhaps the Colombians nowadays are mostly the result of introed genes for mass production, same as Thai....when the big boys get involved as they did in Sth and Central America in the 80's..and also in Thailand ..with mass commercial production, quality is secondary...the local landraces get changed/altered/weakened....even as early as the mid 80's, plants grown from seeds from Thai bud was a mixed bag of Xmas trees (introed genes) and plants with asymetrical growth ( original Thai) and the highs became stonier, less cerebral..and the magic was gone!
it's always difficult to make judgements based on a small sample...but quality always tends to show through...perhaps the Colombians nowadays are mostly the result of introed genes for mass production, same as Thai....when the big boys get involved as they did in Sth and Central America in the 80's..and also in Thailand ..with mass commercial production, quality is secondary...the local landraces get changed/altered/weakened....even as early as the mid 80's, plants grown from seeds from Thai bud was a mixed bag of Xmas trees (introed genes) and plants with asymetrical growth ( original Thai) and the highs became stonier, less cerebral..and the magic was gone!
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