A Heads Up on the 78 Thia

[yesum]

^^ And my experience also means zero? No, it means a hell of a lot, whether you can accept that or not. I am not a scientist and not trying to split the atom. Or hairs here on the forum.

There are strains that will provide almost identical results regardless of environment, allowing the environment is not crap. My case is fact, Hempy had his result and that is a fact as well. There are strains that will suffer if you take them out of their homeland, but many will not. I use good LED or other white light. HPS is nothing like equatorial sun and I do not know why people even use it on landrace lines.

Pretty flowers and yields are nice ^^, but I got the same looking flowers in a tent and the original 1974 pot was grown in the mountains of Michoacan. Fact. Better than that, its was the exact same high and taste.

 

[@hempy]

My experiment meant nothing to you because you dont like being wrong Wally.

I dont want to live in the Tropics Wally i have been there and i am happy to visit but i am not a fan of crocodiles or Cyclones.

Sam discovered what many a grower has over the years Wally and that is the location a seed is collected dose not determine the quality of the plant it grows.

Genetics and the grower growing a healthy plant to its maturity determines the quality not were it is grown.

 

[Donald Mallard]

^^ And my experience also means zero? No, it means a hell of a lot, whether you can accept that or not. I am not a scientist and not trying to split the atom. Or hairs here on the forum.

There are strains that will provide almost identical results regardless of environment, allowing the environment is not crap. My case is fact, Hempy had his result and that is a fact as well. There are strains that will suffer if you take them out of their homeland, but many will not. I use good LED or other white light. HPS is nothing like equatorial sun and I do not know why people even use it on landrace lines.

Pretty flowers and yields are nice ^^, but I got the same looking flowers in a tent and the original 1974 pot was grown in the mountains of Michoacan. Fact. Better than that, its was the exact same high and taste.

i hightlighted the point i have been trying to make ,
it seems you agree ,
the rest of your reply wasnt needed , since i agree ...
i never said nothing grows well indoor , i see some great results from modern hybrids ,

but somethings , like thai sativas etc , that take longer to flower indoor , than they take from seed to harvest where they come from ,
are not so happy and just dont end up the same product as they would if grown in the right location ...
and thats a fact also yesum ...

 

[exoticrobotic]

Terroir does seems to make a difference. Ask the French!

Seems everyone wants to replicate outdoors indoors.

Anyway, what does your Thai smell like and what is it like to smoke campared to other Thais Hempy?

I'd love to hear a detailed smoke report

 

[Mimpi Manis]

you have misinterpreted what sam said hempy ,
and twisted around to try to prove a point you have been trying to make for years ,
that is not accurate , and most on the forum, in this thread disagree with you ,
but as always it falls on deaf ears ..

your experiment meant nothing , you do not live in the tropics mate ,
if location meant nothing and my climate is the same as yours
show me how you can grow a flower like this one outdoors at this time of year in your location ,
this picture was taken last week ...
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I think you should send a sample of this to moi post haste... and I'll give you a professional and unbiased opinion how said tropical grown holds up! Happy to put in the hard yards. Just the kind of guy I am. You're welcome.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I think you should send a sample of this to moi post haste... and I'll give you a professional and unbiased opinion how said tropical grown holds up! Happy to put in the hard yards. Just the kind of guy I am. You're welcome.

your prepared to "take one for the team" ??
very sporting of youi lj ,
your willingness to sacrifice yourself has been noted and ill be in touch , hahaha ...

 

[harvestreaper]

I think it's mainly genetics, perhaps 85% or so if I had to guess. Genetics is the potential and without that you have nothing. Still, nothing beats outdoor sativa's grown where they should.

I pride myself on growing good sativa's indoors, but there's no doubt they would definitely be better outdoor

your prepared to "take one for the team" ??
very sporting of youi lj ,
your willingness to sacrifice yourself has been noted and ill be in touch , hahaha ...

help me help you lol

 

[troutman]

Not the location the genetics are grown in or the grower growing it.

The reality, it's both the genetics and location that determine things.

The wine industry is proof of that.

Don't worry about what "MonSamTo said."

 

[mexcurandero420]

In the earlier days of growing indoors they used MH lights instead of HPS lights.HPS came later and gives more yield.

 

[Thighland]

The indoor stuff in dispensaries tastes and smells much better than outdoor, but it's 3x the price and not stronger.

What's the cause? I doubt it's the lights. The taste of the outdoor stuff could be cholorphyll, maybe? With nutes in hydro being easier to control, it's easier to control. I remember being told that chlorophyll can leave a strong taste and if too much ferts are used and the plant has real green leaf at harvest, then it'll have a strong taste, something I've experienced.

Regarding lights, if the legal situation dictates then it's understandable, but here they are using it to grow cool weather varieties, which then also require air con and de humidifiers.

The footprint is huge, yet locals and expats believe it's necessary, as outdoor will mould, needs pesticides and gives a small yeild. Most think it has to be US strains.

People are talking about climate change, yet goverments are setting up indoor grows. It's not sustainable, I can't figure it out.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Indoors you control the environment, outside its nature and with rain during the flowering period you will need mold resistant varieties.Lemon Thai I had which was harvested November 1st 52N had no mold at all, although there was rain and freezing temperatures during the flowering period.It was certainly stronger than some indoor varieties I ever smoked from the shop.

 

[Thighland]

But here chances are no rain through the dry season, none at for 6 months.

 

[Hammerhead]

No matter how much we try to understand others we have to be open to them. It's clear some are not. I would disagree with Sam if he meant it the way hempy thinks. I stated as much in that thread..

No way I could grow a Thai in Cali indoors better than a good grower in Thailand outdoors. Finding a good quality Thai plant is the goal. Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants. If we both had the same high quality plant a good grower in Thailand will always grow her better outdoor than I could indoor.

 

[Donald Mallard]

No matter how much we try to understand others we have to be open to them. It's clear some are not. I would disagree with Sam if he meant it the way hempy thinks. I stated as much in that thread..

No way I could grow a Thai in Cali indoors better than a good grower in Thailand outdoors. Finding a good quality Thai plant is the goal. Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants. If we both had the same high quality plant a good grower in Thailand will always grow her better outdoor than I could indoor.

im sure sam didnt mean to say how hempy is interpreting it ,
hempy has misinterpreted it as he does with things ,
all pot from california isnt great just because its a great place to grow it ,
one needs good genetics also , thats what sam means as far as i can tell ...

of course things from a tropical climate grow better in that climate ,
any fool could see that , even the look of the flowers ,
then of course the time it takes for them to mature ,
and finally , they toke better because their needs have been fulfilled completely ,
under that sun that is so much stronger and more intense around the equator than other parts of the world,
its not just the temperature that makes the difference, its the intensity of the sun ,
again anyone with even a limited education knows the sun is much more direct around the equator,
and anything that is adapted to that over time , wouldnt do as well without that intensity and definitely, indoor lighting wont replicate the tropical sun ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

The indoor stuff in dispensaries tastes and smells much better than outdoor, but it's 3x the price and not stronger.

What's the cause? I doubt it's the lights. The taste of the outdoor stuff could be cholorphyll, maybe? With nutes in hydro being easier to control, it's easier to control. I remember being told that chlorophyll can leave a strong taste and if too much ferts are used and the plant has real green leaf at harvest, then it'll have a strong taste, something I've experienced.

Regarding lights, if the legal situation dictates then it's understandable, but here they are using it to grow cool weather varieties, which then also require air con and de humidifiers.

The footprint is huge, yet locals and expats believe it's necessary, as outdoor will mould, needs pesticides and gives a small yeild. Most think it has to be US strains.

People are talking about climate change, yet goverments are setting up indoor grows. It's not sustainable, I can't figure it out.

it can be grown well outdoor there ,
there is just limited information on how to do it ,

i know because i had to learn myself , make the right seed ,
and find what worked and when ,
the dry season is the time to take advantage of those fatter and faster hybrid varieties ,
yield will be reduced from growing with longer days of course ,
but i think we could still average out a reasonable amount given the warmth compared to where i have learned to do it.

i believe we could get out 2 crops in the 8 months of dry at least ,
with some tweaking , maybe we could do a little better even ,
generally from seed , hybrids will take up to 16 weeks , some a little faster ,
im actually considering moving to do this in fact ,
i couldnt think of a more worthwhile persuit ....

 

[@hempy]

No matter how much we try to understand others we have to be open to them. It's clear some are not. I would disagree with Sam if he meant it the way hempy thinks. I stated as much in that thread..

No way I could grow a Thai in Cali indoors better than a good grower in Thailand outdoors. Finding a good quality Thai plant is the goal. Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants. If we both had the same high quality plant a good grower in Thailand will always grow her better outdoor than I could indoor.

Do not let the facts get in the way of a good old faction hempy bashing ha Hammer.

No one said indoors is better than out doors show me were i did.

I know what Sam said clearly you did not and if i remember correctly you said you found it difficult to hear what Sam was saying in the podcast and i suggested people listen to it threw head phones.

You clearly have not grow any decent Land race / heirloom variety's if you think this ( Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants.).

 

[Hammerhead]

Do not let the facts get in the way of a good old faction hempy bashing ha Hammer.

No one said indoors is better than out doors show me were i did.

I know what Sam said clearly you did not and if i remember correctly you said you found it difficult to hear what Sam was saying in the podcast and i suggested people listen to it threw head phones.

You clearly have not grow any decent Land race / heirloom variety's if you think this ( Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants.).

My post was not bashing hempy. That's your insecurities talking buddy. We can disagree and it not be personal. You make everything personal. What you think Sam meant is incorrect. We disagree on most things related to growing high quality weed. It's clear I've grown hundreds of more varieties than you have. I can change it to a good grower in Thailand can grow Thai outdoor better than I can outdoors. Genetics will always express better in their natural environment. Your knowledge is lacking on basic stuff and wrong. I might find 1 plant worth keeping in 30 or more. The more space we have to grow and hunt phenos the higher the chances of finding something, this is basic knowledge. No matter what genetics we grow there is always more non keepers, especially Landrace or heirloom. You not knowing this is very telling. Your mind is playing tricks on you again. Might be time for a smoke break.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Do not let the facts get in the way of a good old faction hempy bashing ha Hammer.

No one said indoors is better than out doors show me were i did.

I know what Sam said clearly you did not and if i remember correctly you said you found it difficult to hear what Sam was saying in the podcast and i suggested people listen to it threw head phones.

You clearly have not grow any decent Land race / heirloom variety's if you think this ( Most seeds grown will not be worth keeping. We don't have the space to grow the high numbers needed to find these quality plants.).

You may have heard what sam said but interpretation is everything and you have misinterpreted it. Why not message him and ask

 

[@hempy]

Give it a rest Guys this gets old real fast.

Hammer i thought you were better than this clearly i was wrong.

 

[Donald Mallard]

clearly i was wrong.

we are pretty used to that by now mate ,
seems like par for the course these days...