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A Change of Heart: Prop 19
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SkimmingDaSky
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And who cares? If you don't break the law and carry an O, you have nothing to worry about. Drivng a car that smells like weed isn't smart either even if it is legal. Geez.....I mean I really don't understand. Even in my heavy smoking days I never went thru a whole O, what is the problem here? You can have lbs @ the crib and an O to carry around, what is so bad about that? lol
Here is how I see it: If you're not intellectually bright enough to make a legitimate living, thus relying on shades of gray via CA medical marijuana, this is a horrible bill. Prices won't skyrocket downward, but they'll certain go lower. There will still be potentially be an issue if you have 30 pounds in your trunk, transporting to another shady drug dealer. Those Californians might have to consider the god-awful task of being men for once in their lives and getting a real job, instead of exploiting loopholes for a living.
For the adults of California- people who have real jobs- this is nothing but good news. It's one less hurdle of ridiculous doctors appointments and scandalous permits, while simultaneously continuing the long tradition of Californian leadership on social issues.
It's weird to me that krunchbubble still sees the need to do the hurdles of trying to pretend his opposition is due to this minor transgression or that. Just admit it, dude: you don't want a real job. Why play games?
For the adults of California- people who have real jobs- this is nothing but good news. It's one less hurdle of ridiculous doctors appointments and scandalous permits, while simultaneously continuing the long tradition of Californian leadership on social issues.
It's weird to me that krunchbubble still sees the need to do the hurdles of trying to pretend his opposition is due to this minor transgression or that. Just admit it, dude: you don't want a real job. Why play games?
^LOL "real job" wow you have no idea how much work krunch puts in so that smokers can sit back and puff after their dayjobs.
why would i want to become someone elses servent aka joining the workforce. banging doors to sell someone elses product for a measly 40k a year? so i have to report to a boss every morning? plus in todays economy, with my college degree, i could barely get a job at bottom level making 40k a year....or i could grow and make the same amount of money but be my own boss? hmmmmmm i wonder which to choose???
this has nothing to do with being a "man". IMO a real man is someone who does what he WANTS, not join societys norm and become another pawn in the rat race. it takes a man to join the opposite flowing current of society, and to take the risk of becoming a grower. how the hell can you say "intellectually bright enogh" im seriously laughing my ass off. i know guys with degrees earning their masters and they still grow for a living.
you think those "real men" working as accountants crunching other guys numbers are more intellectualy bright than someone who sets up an indoor garden in their house, constantly working to make sure the environment is right, dealing with all that fancy hydro and electrical equipment, dealing with temperature, humidity, pests, mold, stealth, harvesting, medical laws, patients, suppliers, the list goes on and on and on. A GROWER IS HIS OWN BOSS, HE IS HIS OWN ACCOUNTANT, INVENTORY KEEPER, MANUAL LABOR, AND EVEN JANITORIAL WHEN HES GOTTTA CLEAN HIS GROW. ive worked dozens of jobs from garbage detail to desk jobs and growing has more physical and mental tasks to take care off...and take way more brain power than your "intellectual real man"...not to mention its 100 times more rewarding at the end of the day. i used to come home from work pissed off and depressed and dreading the next day...now i work on my plants, crack a beer, and wait till tmro when i can do more.
you have this perception in your mind that all growers are shady drug dealers, lose it. yes there are criminals who grow for a living, but i know just as many growers who are not shady, who grow because they have cancer and cant get a real job, who grow because they got served bad chips in life and its the only thing that makes them happy. your post was probably the most ignorant shit ive ever seen on ICmag.......its sad how IC is so full of this anti cannabusiness attitude...maybe its time to go to the farm
why would i want to become someone elses servent aka joining the workforce. banging doors to sell someone elses product for a measly 40k a year? so i have to report to a boss every morning? plus in todays economy, with my college degree, i could barely get a job at bottom level making 40k a year....or i could grow and make the same amount of money but be my own boss? hmmmmmm i wonder which to choose???
this has nothing to do with being a "man". IMO a real man is someone who does what he WANTS, not join societys norm and become another pawn in the rat race. it takes a man to join the opposite flowing current of society, and to take the risk of becoming a grower. how the hell can you say "intellectually bright enogh" im seriously laughing my ass off. i know guys with degrees earning their masters and they still grow for a living.
you think those "real men" working as accountants crunching other guys numbers are more intellectualy bright than someone who sets up an indoor garden in their house, constantly working to make sure the environment is right, dealing with all that fancy hydro and electrical equipment, dealing with temperature, humidity, pests, mold, stealth, harvesting, medical laws, patients, suppliers, the list goes on and on and on. A GROWER IS HIS OWN BOSS, HE IS HIS OWN ACCOUNTANT, INVENTORY KEEPER, MANUAL LABOR, AND EVEN JANITORIAL WHEN HES GOTTTA CLEAN HIS GROW. ive worked dozens of jobs from garbage detail to desk jobs and growing has more physical and mental tasks to take care off...and take way more brain power than your "intellectual real man"...not to mention its 100 times more rewarding at the end of the day. i used to come home from work pissed off and depressed and dreading the next day...now i work on my plants, crack a beer, and wait till tmro when i can do more.
you have this perception in your mind that all growers are shady drug dealers, lose it. yes there are criminals who grow for a living, but i know just as many growers who are not shady, who grow because they have cancer and cant get a real job, who grow because they got served bad chips in life and its the only thing that makes them happy. your post was probably the most ignorant shit ive ever seen on ICmag.......its sad how IC is so full of this anti cannabusiness attitude...maybe its time to go to the farm
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from your own words.....why the change of heart?? real jobs suck. real bosses suck. real life sucks. some of us just dont want that lifestyle. the saying "rather die on my feet than live on my knees" comes to mind.
Wow. So we have established that you want it illegal to make a living. Unfortunately you will find most of the voter/smokers in California don't want to be illegal and have very little compassion for someone who thinks that it should be kept illegal so that they don't have to get a job. It was nice while it lasted for some growers, not so nice for most patients, and really fucked for the people who went to prison. Again, it's the most liberal marijuana law in the world. Sounds pretty damn good to me.
i didnt say that anywhere in my post. i can still make a living under 19, im not an idiot and gonna sit here and not change. ive already been adapting to this since last year...and already have several plans in a legalizated economy.
i like it under 215. yes its a grey area and yes people still get in trouble, however its just the right balance of illegality and legality that make it a pretty decent living at the moment. relatively low risk versus reward... im not pulling in any major money off my grows its a side income to my regular business. even if LBs were selling for less i would still be doing the same thing...just finding new nonlowballing customers instead of greedy lazy cheapskates who think high grade herbs just magically grows byitself and should be dirt cheap. im still fairly certain my genetics and quality will still fetch a nice price even in the flood of 19...
and its not about "HAVING" to get a job...some people legitly cannot legiltly get a job in todays economy. did you read my post...how is my friend whos 30 and has cancer and can barely move sometimes gonna get a real job? personally, i made some mistakes in college and have a criminal record so id have a hard time finding a job at subway right now in reality. the cannabusiness is something that i love and intend to stay in until death.....some people wanna go be biologists, some people wanna be accountants, some people wanna fix cars...i want to grow and sell pot. well i really wanna create my own video game franchise but thats takes millions and millions of dollars so thats pretty much out of the picture lol....and im using marijuana to get on my feet, and possibly save up money to go to graphic design school which is a nice 30k a year that i dont have....
i like it under 215. yes its a grey area and yes people still get in trouble, however its just the right balance of illegality and legality that make it a pretty decent living at the moment. relatively low risk versus reward... im not pulling in any major money off my grows its a side income to my regular business. even if LBs were selling for less i would still be doing the same thing...just finding new nonlowballing customers instead of greedy lazy cheapskates who think high grade herbs just magically grows byitself and should be dirt cheap. im still fairly certain my genetics and quality will still fetch a nice price even in the flood of 19...
and its not about "HAVING" to get a job...some people legitly cannot legiltly get a job in todays economy. did you read my post...how is my friend whos 30 and has cancer and can barely move sometimes gonna get a real job? personally, i made some mistakes in college and have a criminal record so id have a hard time finding a job at subway right now in reality. the cannabusiness is something that i love and intend to stay in until death.....some people wanna go be biologists, some people wanna be accountants, some people wanna fix cars...i want to grow and sell pot. well i really wanna create my own video game franchise but thats takes millions and millions of dollars so thats pretty much out of the picture lol....and im using marijuana to get on my feet, and possibly save up money to go to graphic design school which is a nice 30k a year that i dont have....
Cool. That being the case, you will have lot's of new customers, particularly after they try one grow and discover that it's a hell of a lot harder than they thought. Good growers will always have a market. However, this proposition is a giant step in the right direction, and good for most people. It's the tyranny of a democracy!
yea wel personally im divided on 19. im not gonna bash on it...i realize it took a shitload of time money and effort to get on the ballot. i know that nationally and internationally it could finally end the bullshit police war on marijuana. i will no longer have to see a bucktoothed hillbilly cop bragging about busting someone for growing some plants. if the added amendment passes and we can carry an LB, thats awesome. as well as the unlimited weight at the house. and hopefully legalization will allow gun owners to possess pot and growers to possess guns....if someday i can kick it on my ranch in a field full of my homegrown plants with a gun in my lap and a whiskey in my cup, and do it LEGALLY knowing i cant go to jail...well then i might be voting yes.
the main thing i have a problem with is the extreme YES crowd...bashing on everyone who doesnt agree with them...bashing on growers and dealers the framework of the past decades.....and their overall smug attitudes and pushy words on these threads
the main thing i have a problem with is the extreme YES crowd...bashing on everyone who doesnt agree with them...bashing on growers and dealers the framework of the past decades.....and their overall smug attitudes and pushy words on these threads
Many people will still continue to make money illegally(out of state brokerage) if prop 19 passes, the hardcore and big timers will still flourish, so basically the "greedy grower" will still be cranking em out. It will most likely be the little guys who are barley surviving and need it the most that will fail in the post 19 market.
Oh well .. Iv realized that we cant really legalize it and keep it underground as our current subculture has it. That was the main thing that bothered me with the changes that would come with this.
I had a talk with a friend that works for me at a grow , and he is starting to convince me how much less stressful it would be if 19 passes. He was against it up until recently, but now hes saying hes ready for the change in lifestyle even if it comes at a price.
I agree, some of the stuff has been a little too heated. The same goes for the extreme no crowd. I think in our defense, there are a lot of people who have been waiting for a lot more years than the no crowd have been alive, and see it as imperative that we finally get something done. For the guys that have done time, it is a real hot button.
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Dude... most of us here love growing MJ. that is the reason people come to this site. There isn't an American who wouldn't love to get a job that makes an easy jaunt around paying taxes. We all want what you are talking about and we could all have it. Most of us know it isn't right or fair to the rest of the people in the country though. There was a time that under the radar was the only way to get it done but that time looks to be coming to an end whether you like it or not. I'm glad you are putting together a plan to follow should prop 19 pass. I hope all the commercial growers are doing that. That tells me that you aren't an idiot! By not paying taxes you realize you are making it so everyone else has to pay more taxes right? so you think you will ever get a tax paying citizen to jump on your "real jobs and taxes suck" bandwagon? I mean really... you seem like a smart dude. Governments set an amount of taxes they need to collect and then divide it amongst the tax payers. Every dollar you don't pay is a dollar that someone elsee is paying on your behalf.
You talk about cops busting people randomly as if they just get a waft of weed from a car going down the highway and hit the button for the lights. I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen now. It is very clearly written in prop 19 that local police can not hassle anyone who is within the limits of the law. If they don't follow the law they are breaking it and will be subject to being penalized or loose their job. Sure a cop can search your car if they have a valid reason but smelling weed isn't a valid reason after prop 19. Weed is legal so if they smell weed there is no reason to assume you are doing anything wrong. Currently as a misdemeanor, or as a medical defence it is different. That is what legality does for you plain and simple, and that is the heart of this prop. If they see you puffing while driving down the road that is different, because that isn't legal under 19, but that isn't any different than it is now.
I'm not sure who told you that being a real man is screwing everyone else to do what you WANT... that isn't being a real man at all. Being a real man can certainly include standing up to injustice, but you are advocating injustice by trying to convince people to vote no on a prop that will right a good portion of the injustice. A real man sucks it up and adapts to do the right thing. A real man puts his morals and beliefs in front of his wallet.
The thing that bugs me most about what you are saying though is this
If you aren't selling to a collective, a patient or a bag to an adult on the street you are selling to organized crime. This kind of thing is what is killing MMJ in many other states. You claim that not all commercial growers are gangbangers, and I believe that is true, but based on your statement above I don't see how you can exclude yourself from that scene if you are the guy who is fueling their fire. Just sayin...
jed
My 2 cents. Some of you cali people are fucking crazy as shit. The ultimate goal is to have our sweet flower legal.....NOT making fucking money! Try thinking of other things other than money.... HMMM.. maybe the states where you lose everything for weed if caught. This bill may not be perfect but it is a START!. This will help the OVERALL cause for the fight to legalize MJ. It makes me sick seeing some of the douchery in this thread. I just cant believe on a site all about cannabis we are all not in agreement. Bottom line.... Some of you NO guys have their head way to far up there asses. I hope Cali steps up in NOV!
the really awesome thing about 19 passing is all the shitty growers will get weeded out by the market and the good growers will be able to compete at a more professional level. one thing ive learned about cali, like amsterdam, is that there is a lot of average cannabis here. Good weed still retails at the clubs for 60-65 an eighth(including this 9+% sales tax) and is only about 10% or less of the flower offerings at most clubs.
Yes I do. Not much. He does what he does because it's shady; if it were legal nationwide, he's out of business within a year.
If you're too scared and/or not talented enough to come up in the world legitimately, that's your business. I think I read previously that your resume is a disaster and you got a few DUI's, and so on. Boo-hoo, dude. You could have killed someone and are paying the consequences. I'm sure that's societies fault too, right?
The point relative to the discussion is that career criminals who don't support this bill are choosing their own illegitimate hustle over prison time for others. It's selfish as hell, and I felt the need to call it out.
The rest of the prop 19 complaints are Alex Jones-level paranoia.
That's pretty deep, maaaaaaaan. You're bypassing the "rat race" by living with a house full of equally shady roommates, growing plants in your closet and playing playstation. How original. How inspiring.
Understand that I don't even really care about your hustle. You contribute absolutely nothing to society, and I'm sure your parents are embarrassed and disappointed, but that's your own psychological battle.
Alas, I made my post to call out certain people, and request that they stop playing games. They don't really care about what this means for the country or even CA citizens; they just know their hustle is slowly creeping towards to an end. When there is a legitimate marketplace for cannabis, the money will tank.
I'm sorry I struck a nerve with you, dude. And I'm equally sorry you failed at making it in the legitimate world. I really am. The point, though, is that krunch and others can do what they do because it's a gray area. If pot were legal, they'd be out of business. They'd have to become a big boy, a legitimate tax payer, and compete in the real world. The fact that these types of criminals are against prop 19 is sickening. I put them on blast.
That's all.
i strongly disagree. there will be a greater demand than supply... especially initially. and why would suppliers start selling something that is in heavy demand already priced at $50-$60 per 1/8th for peanuts? theres a vested interest in keeping things priced as they are... just my opinion.
especially if localities decide to tax recreational marijuana revenues? those potential taxes are gonna need to be generated somehow... and dropping retail price doesnt really do that. does it?
and think about this... if the feds stop funding the state for things like roads and schools and whatnot the state will need to generate the funds necessary to operate those facilities and where are those funds gonna be generated from do you think?
I think it would be RAD if the wholesale and retail value of good quality cannabis skyrockets.
either way, its not what its worth, its what you negotiate hehe....
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