A Change of Heart: Prop 19

[SkimmingDaSky]

First off, I don't want to make light of your experience or say anything to demean your character.

However, you don't live in Cali, so this bill really doesn't effect you. Second, this would never happen in Cali, ever, even if they didn't have medical licenses. I've had friends that were busted with waaaay more plants and waaay more weight then you're talking about and never spent a day in jail.

If you want more freedoms and marijuana is important to you, you need to take action. Lobby or move.

Really??This doesn't effect you??? This bill will effect every weed smoker in the world!!! Cali is the only place in the entire world attempting to do something like this. The only place in the world that wants to legitimize the "devil's lettuce" and you want to stop this?????MEXICO was talking of legalization just b/c of Prop 19. Before Prop 215 what states had MMJ???? NONE!! Could you imagine the headlines if this passed??? All the myths and propaganda that will be put to shame??

This vote is monumental and if you can't see that then you might as well be on the side with the cops that bust people's door down and shoot their dogs in front of their children over a gram of weed.

You might as well be on the side of people pleading "save the children" b/c @ the end of the day those are the people who are voting no.There is no in between. There isn't a box on that ballot that says, no, but i'm a smoker that really likes weed that's waiting for a better bill. There is only YES OR NO and if you voting no and telling people to, you are not a true smoker and never will be. This is not only about you, it is about the whole movement! Vote no and there won't be a better bill. That will just be more leverage to keep it illegal for recreational users!

Stoners are some of the most hypocritical people!!!!

 

[Bigrick31]

If you're too scared and/or not talented enough to come up in the world legitimately, that's your business.

A half retarded brain dead monkey could come up in the world legitimately it take no effort at all in fact the more retarded you are the more they usually pay you!

The point relative to the discussion is that career criminals who don't support this bill are choosing their own illegitimate hustle over prison time for others. It's selfish as hell, and I felt the need to call it out. The rest of the prop 19 complaints are Alex Jones-level paranoia.

That's pretty deep, maaaaaaaan. You're bypassing the "rat race" by living with a house full of equally shady roommates, growing plants in your closet and playing playstation. How original. How inspiring.

Your one to talk about sheeple spreading the misconception that if I go to school and get my degree and work real hard ill come up in the world thats laughable. lets see im 24 and make 5 times more than my high school calculus teacher and I never went to collage and dont make any money from growing. Legitimate what a joke of a word that is you find me and billionaire or large corporation and ill show you someone who didnt get where they are today by being fair and honest. Hell the taxs that we pay are BS the interest we pay on our credit cards is BS and the fact that I need to pay interest on my credit cards because the same banks that gave me those cards also screwed the economy over so bad that I no longer have a job and have to use my credit cards to pay for my groceries that puts money right back into the pocket of the people who got us in the mess in the first place is BS!

Alas, I made my post to call out certain people, and request that they stop playing games. They don't really care about what this means for the country or even CA citizens; they just know their hustle is slowly creeping towards to an end. When there is a legitimate marketplace for cannabis, the money will tank.

I'm sorry I struck a nerve with you, dude. And I'm equally sorry you failed at making it in the legitimate world. I really am. The point, though, is that krunch and others can do what they do because it's a gray area. If pot were legal, they'd be out of business. They'd have to become a big boy, a legitimate tax payer, and compete in the real world. The fact that these types of criminals are against prop 19 is sickening. I put them on blast.

That's all.

You assume that everyone who dosnt want this bill to pass is a criminal. You sure do have a holier than though attitude what makes you so much better than someone selling pot be it legal or not what do you contribute to society why is your opinion more valid than others and what makes you think your so right you can close your eyes to any way of thinking that isnt your own. I have my own view and I respect that others have theirs but the people who come in here and jump on the yes bandwagon then go bashing anyone who wants to vote no have no right to do so nor are their opinions of any real value ad all they are doing is 1 hindering an intellectual debate over the pros and cons of prop 19 and 2 making themselves appear as giant tools so if you think that I want to vote no because im a drug dealer or a communist or whatever propaganda you want to spew you are sadly mistaken.

To those who say get this bill passed and well fix it up later where is this track record that illustrates the success of Americans and their ability to amend bills for the better of the people? You do know that we can get everyone person in america rallied together for a cause and it dosnt mean anything will come of it because the government has and will pass new laws without our approval they have the right to veto any law and they have more money than we do to run anti add campaigns. Sure they are somewhat offering legalization but only in a time where the state is desperate for money with so many grey areas I have no idea what makes people thing this bill wont be abused? I heard someone say it only cost 2 million to get this measure on the ballot why dont we get every stoner to contribute $1 dollar to the cause in CA im sure we can raise 2million no problem let get a bill in there and lets get teh right one in there the first time otherwise theres a chance that all will go well or theres a chance that we all get screwed in the end which seems to be the MO of the american government. IF youve waited 55 years for this to pass whats another 2-4 years to get a proper bill in place I dont think theres a single person out there that thinks this bill is perfect its going to take a few years to fix it up if we even can fix it up at all.

Really all this arguing is a mute point because marijuana will still be federally illegal and if the feds want they can make life hell for every Californian that smokes/grows or trys to sell pot. They already said they are ready to come in and bust people when 19 passes the fed said that when people file their tax returns they will have all the proof they need to raid someone. If abx6-9 passes with 19 then hey we might have a fighting change but first we have to pass an iffy bill and "hope" abx6-9 passes. Why dont we combine the two bills get someone with a little legal experience to write the bill and put all of our efforts to pass something thats in the best interest for all marijuana users. Or we can pass 19 and this is a possibility abx6-9 dosnt pass now the feds are raiding people worse than before and the feds can even stop sending money to CA as a result of the state violating federal law they can put pressure on the state to change or amend prop 19 in the interests of people who arnt you or I. People that close a blind eye to an inherent problem anrt solving anything only adding to the problem and the problem with 19 is nothing is clear and the legislation that will clear it up may not even pass. You know what else the feds can do they can arrest every parent that has a grow op in their home for child endangerment those people can have their children taken away from them because they had a false sense of security thinking that prop 19 would somehow save them from federal conviction. Its already happening in states like CO. Local LEOs came in because they smelled pot the owner provided the officers with his medical paperwork and the officers left. A few days later the man was locked up and his children taken away pending his hearing for manufacturing narcotics in his residence with children present. Prop 19 is going to piss the feds off you really think there wont be retaliation? But if we had a law in place that said Local LEOs wont work with the feds to prosecute marijuana cases well then we could all relax a little.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

ambition you dont makey any sense....you first came onto ICmag because you wanted to grow weed for a living and didnt "wanna join the ratrace"...now you talk shit to me because im doing that? this goes way beyond "your legitimate job" which is total bullshit. some of us hate the system and hate the government and this is another way to spite them...they hate how we get this tax free loot via the grey area. they hate how we are not swimming with all the other sheeple..its free minds like us growers that anger them beyond belief...i fucking love that.

ive worked in legit careers for years before i took up the cannabusiness. i wouldnt trade it for anything....your legit careers are bullshit non satisfying slave labor. Even you say it yourself...that you would wanna kill yourself after working for a month. well guess what ive already been there...wanted to kill myself after months in several jobs when i was doing garbage detail for PGEs massive corporate headquarters, or when i worked at a retail store and had to deal with the most irate psycho manager in my life...so glad when i quit that fucking worthless job...

and yea...im bypassing the ratrace. i dont live in a shady crackhouse with shady roomates thanks for assuming that! i have my own nice house with a million dollar views, while most kids my age still live with their parents or rent. i combined hustling with legit jobs through college to save up for that downpayment and now pay my mortgage through mary jane which i think is awesome. fuck the government and fuck societys standards of what we are supposed to do. im paving my road through life on my own.....and i dont report to anybody at all..and i got many friends doing the same shit we all in this together! mary jane has saved us from unsatisfying bullshit careers that no one wants to do anyways....

there already is a legitimate marketplace for cannabis. have you ever even stepped inside a dispensary? most are not run by "career criminals and shady drug dealers" you make assumption after assumption. interesting enough, you would think with all these clubs competing prices would tank...not really the case. 50-60 an 8th is still the norm....i dont see pot plunging that much either. why is richard lee gonna spend millions plus his permit fees plus his warehouse costs plus risk federal prosecution to sell weed for dirt cheap, especially when people are willing to pay more? weed is pretty cheap in canada and people still blow out bedrooms up there too. they only get 2k a LB, so instead they adapt and run 10-20k per house instead of the 5-10k which is standard here in the US....

too scared or not talented?? wtf are you talking about!!!! not scared of anything except being a fucking pawn the rest of my life. ambition you are ass backwards....YOUR OWN POSTS CONTRADICT THEMSELVES. you havent even run a 400 watt setup before and you bash on growers like its not a real job and doesnt take any talent or skill.....fulllllachit!!!!

go work in your oh so satisfying wage job then! do your thing!! im not knocking you! but dont knock me for deciding to take this path in life because many have done it before and its nothing to be ashamed of at all. im not taking advantage of sick people lol....im working my ass off so that the regular joe can enjoy some smoke after all his working and partyin. while most are out enjoying their lifes in cooped up taking clones or driving long ass distances to secure new sources, risking more shit then any of them ever would...i put in work so that people can enjoy good quality cannabis at a good reasonable price....

 

[Bigrick31]

Everyone either for or against prop 19 should check out the new bill that gov Schwarzenegger just signed yesterday.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/oct/01/california_governor_signs_mariju

Beginning Jan 1st of 2011 possession of up to an oz of marijuana is now only an infraction and has a fine of no more than $100 if you even get a fine at all FYI J walking is also an infraction. Finally we got something while giving up nothing this is a step in the right direction IMHO.

 

[Tr33]

I'm curious, haven't found the info, but if this goes through legal and all, will anyone be able to buy at med clubs in cali? or only your card holders?
how will clone and seed sales be regulated or released to the public in cali, openly be able to buy like going into a dispensary without a card or need a card to buy form a dispensary?
makes me wonder if the market for seeds and clones will open to every JQ public or still be a closed system as it is now for card holders?

What I really wonder is if this goes through will I be able to come back to cali and buy seeds and clones, or would I need my brother who lives there to buy stuff for me?

 

[kmk420kali]

I'm curious, haven't found the info, but if this goes through legal and all, will anyone be able to buy at med clubs in cali? or only your card holders.
how will clone and seed sales be regulated or released to the public in cali, openly be able to buy like going into a dispensary without a card or need a card to buy form a dispensary.
makes me wonder if the market for seeds and clones will open to every JQ public or still be a closed clique as it is now for card holders.

What I really wonder is if this goes through will I be able to come back to cali and buy seeds and clones, or would I need my brother who lives there to buy stuff for me.

I don't think Med Clubs will be open to non patients, because it will be a different Tax structure--
Seeds and clones?? That will be wide open--
And if you are in the State, you will be covered by State Law-- That goes for all Laws--

 

[Yes4Prop215]

what about outta state citizens? can my friends from out of state come to the med clubs and go shopping without a card? would they technically buy clones and seeds and fly them home?

you can already fly out of SFO and OAK with weed with your card. it was crazy walking through customs with buds on me...even if you are flying to a non med state the cops let you do it, they might just advise you of the laws in your destination but they dont do anything they have no jurisdiction...

 

[kmk420kali]

what about outta state citizens? can my friends from out of state come to the med clubs and go shopping without a card? would they technically buy clones and seeds and fly them home?

you can already fly out of SFO and OAK with weed with your card. it was crazy walking through customs with buds on me...even if you are flying to a non med state the cops let you do it, they might just advise you of the laws in your destination but they dont do anything they have no jurisdiction...

Is your friend Medical from his State of Origin?? If so, it would be interesting to see how that played out-- Because it would be legal for him to have it anyways, so his Medical Status would be the only problem-- That would be a good future Amendment..."Other State's Medical Marijuana Status recognized by California"-- Since like I said...it is not a "Legal" problem at that point, just a Medical Jurisdiction issue--

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

There's no way mj will become legal and they don't try to capitilize on canna-tourism. The cities who embrace this will see windfall benefits. Specially towns that are already major tourist spots (SF, LA, SD)...

 

[GET MO]

I cant vote... but if I could I'd vote No... and this is the reason, second letter article, and wether this person is writing this for this or that reason, I still feal this is where its going, because this is where THEY ALWAYS take it when it comes to anything that can make money in the USA.
http://thehive.modbee.com/node/20404

..... Still its gonna pass, so we will have to wait and see..... Peace.

 

[Mr Celsius]

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[TruthOrLie]

WTF are you talking about Mr Celcius?

The civil rights movement began with a lady sitting on a seat on a bus and refusing to move.

You trying to tell me the Marijuana movement doesn't pick up momentum when the wealthiest state in the world makes moves?

 

[GET MO]

So which one of u smucks erased my post........ Hmmm must a been an accident since you didnt give an explanation.... Some people dont think this is true, but why not? someone post a valid argument to this and maybe Ill see it from your point of view, but in the past no legalization laws have ever benefited the small business man... It always leads to corporate take over. heres the quote I had posted.... please dont erase my opinion on a debate.... whether this person is BSing or not, what they are saying makes sense as far as why a multi-millionaire would pay big money on a bill to capitalize and monopolize off the people.......

Paragraph 6 of “Purposes” then specifically refers to patients and cannabis for medical purposes – so this makes it clear the Proposition is intended to affect MM and patients. How? Only to make access safer and easier, it says -- but not cheaper. I guess access will be safer and easier if you can buy from Big Weed, Inc. instead of growing it yourself, or getting it from a collective. But it will be more expensive for patients who have been allowed to grow as much as they need, because instead of being allowed to grow quantities large enough for each person’s medical problems, and/or to share collectively, Prop. 19 severely limits everyone’s rights to cultivate and distribute.

Paragraph 7 says that if cities ban the sale of cannabis, their citizens “still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.” This language could be interpreted to mean that, under 11362.5, MM patients continue to have the right to possess and consume larger quantities than Proposition 19’s ounce limit. But notice that Paragraph 7 specifically leaves out the right to cultivate. Why? This is a very meaningful omission of an existing right held by MM patients. Under Prop. 19, everyone becomes a mere consumer, a captive market to be exploited by a few businesses that get the permits to cultivate and distribute.

Under current law, H & S11362.5, subdivision (d), specifically exempts MM patients from H & S 11358 which makes cultivation illegal. Under the People v. Kelly case, MM patients have no numeric cap on what they can grow, just a requirement that it be related to a medical issue. Will the right to cultivate amounts related to medical issues be changed under Prop. 19? Yes. Here’s why.

Look at the text of Prop. 19, Section 2 (B), paragraph 14. It says that one purpose of Prop. 19 is to “Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.” We already know the “small amounts” are what can be grown in a 25 square foot garden (that’s 5 by 5 feet) – and that however many people live on a property will have to share that small space. So that is a really small amount.

Notice that section 14 says nothing about allowing the cultivation of larger amounts for medical use.



Don’t give up reading yet -- we’re getting to the smoking gun evidence that Prop. 19 has ALWAYS been INTENDED to affect medical marijuana patients and collectives, and was intentionally worded in a way to allow the pro-Prop. 19 people to make claims, OUTSIDE THE TEXT OF THE CONTROLLING LEGAL DOCUMENT, WHERE SUCH CLAIMS CAN’T BE USED TO INTERPRET THE PROPOSITION, that it doesn’t affect medical marijuana patients.



In Section 2 (C), “Intent,” paragraph 1 lists all the existing laws that Prop. 19 is intended to affect, and paragraph 2 lists all the laws it is NOT intended to affect. Here’s the important point:

Neither paragraph 1 nor paragraph 2 mention the Compassionate Use Act (CUA), which is found in H & S Code section 11362.5. If the Prop. 19 people really did not intend to affect patients and collectives, they would have included section 11362.5 in paragraph 2. They didn’t.

Now, since the Pro-Prop. 19 people clearly need the support of MM patients, they obviously did not want to include the CUA and H & S section 11362.5 in paragraph 1 and admit that Prop. 19 will affect patients. So that’s why Prop. 19 is silent about 11362.5, the CUA. The pro-Prop. 19 people are counting on the average voter not knowing anything about statutory interpretation rules. Under those rules, if Prop. 19 had specifically stated in Section 2, “Intent,” that it was NOT intended to affect H & S 11362.5, then the courts would interpret it as not affecting 11362.5. But because the intent section is silent, the courts will look at the language of the proposition to figure out the intent. And as noted above, the Purposes section at paragraphs 6 and 7, already provides evidence that the Proposition is intended to affect MM and MM patients.

Why would the Prop. 19 people set things up like this? This is no accident; a lot of attorney work and money went into drafting this thing to accomplish the desired results – results presumably desired by Richard Lee and friends. Why would they want to be sure that patients’ current rights to grow and distribute are SEVERLY limited, while running around telling efveryone they are not affected?

Well, in addition to being potential voting support for Prop. 15, MM patients also reflect a LARGE and VALUABLE potential market share for the “commercial cannabis industry” this proposition is intended to create. It is going to be contrary to the commercial interests of whoever wants to create a “commercial cannabis industry” to let such a large group of potential cannabis consumers continue to cultivate and share with each other, via the collective system, cannabis – instead of being FORCED TO BUY IT FROM THE “COMMERCIAL CANNABIS INDUSTRY.”

Prop. 19 is clearly aimed at reducing competition by restricting who can cultivate and distribute.



Prop. 19, if passed, will be interpreted as affecting patients and collectives because the Prop. 19 folks intentionally chose not to specify that it was NOT intended to affect patients in Section 2, “Intent.”

So why are the pro-Prop.19 lying about what it will do? Something sneaky’s going on.

 

[headband 707]

I know I'm not from the US but I can tell you that this is what they do here. The DEA moved in here in 2003 and started to tell us what to do and yes we can only have 99 plant limit . They say we can only smoke a limit of 3 grams a day and they have the whole thing figured out right to the gram. I know that it is a very bad thing ppl going to jail for this and no doubt this has to stop they have no right," period". But the Gov getting in this the DEA, NO WAY these guys are the worst as they no nothing about sick ppl and are still busting legal grows here in Canada. This is like putting the fox in the hen house and these guys need to be stopped in some way. I don't know how but in some way. I don't know if anyone saw the show about how we are policed but it would scare you. peace out Headband707

 

[rives]

someone post a valid argument to this and maybe Ill see it from your point of view, but in the past no legalization laws have ever benefited the small business man... It always leads to corporate take over. heres the quote I had posted.... please dont erase my opinion on a debate.... whether this person is BSing or not, what they are saying makes sense as far as why a multi-millionaire would pay big money on a bill to capitalize and monopolize off the people.......

I think that if you take a look at ABX6 9 you will find a better direction on how the state is going to interpret 19. And no, 19 is not intended to benefit "the small business man". That small business, not withstanding a shitty economy and lack of alternative employment, is illegal. Why on earth would there be legislation to benefit an underground, non-tax paying, black-market business? It will certainly help the guy who funded it, that is why he is doing it. It will also benefit about 98% of the cannabis consumers in California.

 

[Greyskull]

So which one of u smucks erased my post........ Hmmm must a been an accident since you didnt give an explanation.... Some people dont think this is true, but why not? someone post a valid argument to this and maybe Ill see it from your point of view, but in the past no legalization laws have ever benefited the small business man... It always leads to corporate take over. heres the quote I had posted.... please dont erase my opinion on a debate.... whether this person is BSing or not, what they are saying makes sense as far as why a multi-millionaire would pay big money on a bill to capitalize and monopolize off the people.......

wow your post with that quotes got editted? im gonna have to see if mine did, too...
*EDIT - MINE'S STILL THERE*

im still a YES but your concerns and mine are the same... the language that letticia used came across crystal clear to me and i started seeing between the lines/LIES....

i found an article that counters it (posted a link to it) but i dont think its as strong as what letticia posted.... doesnt come across that way its more of a "religous zealot" expression hahaha. im just trying to make some sense of things hahaha

LIAR-LAWYER WHATS THE DIFFERENCE????

 

[jaspmf]

Im voting hell-motherfucking-NO.

 

[Mr Celsius]

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[SCF]

So which one of u smucks erased my post........ Hmmm must a been an accident since you didnt give an explanation.... Some people dont think this is true, but why not? someone post a valid argument to this and maybe Ill see it from your point of view, but in the past no legalization laws have ever benefited the small business man... It always leads to corporate take over. heres the quote I had posted.... please dont erase my opinion on a debate.... whether this person is BSing or not, what they are saying makes sense as far as why a multi-millionaire would pay big money on a bill to capitalize and monopolize off the people.......

no one delete!d ur post, i dont even see a deleted post. sorry. Nice to see you posting bud!!!! thanks for having a good conversation. See ya around.

 

[kmk420kali]

Paragraph 6 of “Purposes” then specifically refers to patients and cannabis for medical purposes – so this makes it clear the Proposition is intended to affect MM and patients. How? Only to make access safer and easier, it says -- but not cheaper. I guess access will be safer and easier if you can buy from Big Weed, Inc. instead of growing it yourself, or getting it from a collective. But it will be more expensive for patients who have been allowed to grow as much as they need, because instead of being allowed to grow quantities large enough for each person’s medical problems, and/or to share collectively, Prop. 19 severely limits everyone’s rights to cultivate and distribute.

Except that Prop 19 does not limit the CUA at all--

Paragraph 7 says that if cities ban the sale of cannabis, their citizens “still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.” This language could be interpreted to mean that, under 11362.5, MM patients continue to have the right to possess and consume larger quantities than Proposition 19’s ounce limit. But notice that Paragraph 7 specifically leaves out the right to cultivate. Why? This is a very meaningful omission of an existing right held by MM patients.

Let's look at 11362.5--

HS 11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996. (b) (1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:

(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief. (B) To ensure that patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.
(C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.
(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede legislation prohibiting persons from engaging in conduct that endangers others, nor to condone the diversion of marijuana for nonmedical purposes.
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(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no physician in this state shall be punished, or denied any right or privilege, for having recommended marijuana to a patient for medical purposes.
(d) Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician.
(e) For the purposes of this section, "primary caregiver" means the individual designated by the person exempted under this section who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person.

Cultivation is clearly dealt with in subsection (d)
So I don't know why they are saying that 19 is "Leaving out cultivation"... Honestly bro, this article is trash...written for ppl who don't check up on what it is saying...at least they are hoping not--

Under current law, H & S11362.5, subdivision (d), specifically exempts MM patients from H & S 11358 which makes cultivation illegal. Under the People v. Kelly case, MM patients have no numeric cap on what they can grow, just a requirement that it be related to a medical issue. Will the right to cultivate amounts related to medical issues be changed under Prop. 19? Yes. Here’s why.

Look at the text of Prop. 19, Section 2 (B), paragraph 14. It says that one purpose of Prop. 19 is to “Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.” We already know the “small amounts” are what can be grown in a 25 square foot garden (that’s 5 by 5 feet) – and that however many people live on a property will have to share that small space. So that is a really small amount.

Notice that section 14 says nothing about allowing the cultivation of larger amounts for medical use.

It does not have to mention how much you can cultivate under 19, as it has already been handled with 215-- Once again, 19 does not change the status of a 215 Patient...a fact that should be apparent by it's failure to mention it, while giving complete deferment to 215, by using 11362.5 as a reference, which is the complete Purpose of Prop 215--

Don’t give up reading yet -- we’re getting to the smoking gun evidence that Prop. 19 has ALWAYS been INTENDED to affect medical marijuana patients and collectives, and was intentionally worded in a way to allow the pro-Prop. 19 people to make claims, OUTSIDE THE TEXT OF THE CONTROLLING LEGAL DOCUMENT, WHERE SUCH CLAIMS CAN’T BE USED TO INTERPRET THE PROPOSITION, that it doesn’t affect medical marijuana patients.



In Section 2 (C), “Intent,” paragraph 1 lists all the existing laws that Prop. 19 is intended to affect, and paragraph 2 lists all the laws it is NOT intended to affect. Here’s the important point:

Neither paragraph 1 nor paragraph 2 mention the Compassionate Use Act (CUA), which is found in H & S Code section 11362.5. If the Prop. 19 people really did not intend to affect patients and collectives, they would have included section 11362.5 in paragraph 2. They didn’t.

Now, since the Pro-Prop. 19 people clearly need the support of MM patients, they obviously did not want to include the CUA and H & S section 11362.5 in paragraph 1 and admit that Prop. 19 will affect patients. So that’s why Prop. 19 is silent about 11362.5, the CUA. The pro-Prop. 19 people are counting on the average voter not knowing anything about statutory interpretation rules. Under those rules, if Prop. 19 had specifically stated in Section 2, “Intent,” that it was NOT intended to affect H & S 11362.5, then the courts would interpret it as not affecting 11362.5. But because the intent section is silent, the courts will look at the language of the proposition to figure out the intent. And as noted above, the Purposes section at paragraphs 6 and 7, already provides evidence that the Proposition is intended to affect MM and MM patients.

Because in the Intent part, it lists things that are not effected..THAT WERE NOT COVERED IN THE "PURPOSE"--
11362.5 clearly was covered in the Purpose--

Check it out bro-- I was a "No" in the beginning for the very reasons you are-- I started looking into things, and looking up things...asking questions to our Collective's Lawyer...and now I am almost obsessed with learning about this shit!! (According to my wife!! lol)
I am convinced that this is not going to effect us Patients at all-- Or I would not vote Yes on it--