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What's your go-to breeder nowadays?

Guy Brush

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First of all, not trying to start a seedbank war here, just some friendly info-exchange
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Second, please excuse my ignorance. I'm somewhat rusty on the topic, did most of growing in early 2000s, so I'm out of date on a thing or two.

I'll spend a few days in Amsterdam and I'll buy some seeds, to have a fridge-collection and to grow some as well.
Now, these days it seems like there's more seedbanks than pistils on a female plant, white-lable businessman replaced old-school breeders and every other bro is a "breeder".
Also, I'm a bit confused with Blue gorilla balls cookies lemon super zkittles OG haze-kind of varieties, seems it went a bit too far :biggrin:
But anyway, guess that's what market wants, and we can't be stuck forever with skunks, white this and that, AKs and other old-school legends.

So, considering all that, who is still putting in the real work and producing some great beans? Which breeder do you buy from when you shop for some seeds?
I'd rather leave some money to a breeder that puts in the work and effort, than to a McDonalds of seedbanks.
Btw. I'd appreciate suggestions for stuff you can buy in a shop in Amsterdam. I'm not paying and ordering anything weed-related online, my EU country still puts you in jail for that.

I'll start the list with Simon of Serious seeds and Shantibaba.
Maybe Soma?
Don't buy in the Sensi store Amsterdam. They are stored uncooled. Worst germination rate I ever had.
 

Dudemanbro

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I've been a ghost since mid 2000s and im not in the EU and not to interrupt the convo but I really have been happy with these breeders over the last few years and I think you could find them in Europe.

James loud (I like his youtube/podcast with other breeders too. Check it out)
TH seeds
Humboldt seed company

Currently running a mosca/tiki madman collab and I have heard good things so we shall see.
 

Guy Brush

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There so many of you guys on the forums these days all spout same breeze, all joined up a year or 2 ago max ( how many of these accounts are same guy ? , as we know i got a pack of trolls who follow me around , thanks 🤪 , helps me wake up an hour ealier to ride the troll train) and where you been last 10 or 20 years like some of us ? , you would of seen all the breeze you doubt being done online for everyone else to see being done.

Like many well known online players who been around last 20 years have seen me work along the way and can vouch for me.
Anyone who looks at my stocklist can see I work my own strains alot and use them for projects etc and use my work more than anything else to work more projects.
My projects are based of legendary clone onlys or legendary strains/lines and worked further or in my own direction and further projects created.
I run through many many strains each year and focus on certain projects.


I grow strain after strain from my projects every year
How many lines do you offer? Is it 300 lines? I would like to see you concentrate on max. 20 that put out guaranteed outcome. So I would be able to make a choice. I am not able to make a choice from 300 lines and you are not able to guarantee any outcome with 300 lines. Nobody is. No matter how elite the parents are.
Same with CSI Humboldt. Yeah, killer parents. No breeding work, no guarantee on whatsoever. I'm probably done with them, aside from some S1s they're giving out.
And please, OJD, finally stop playing the victim, calling people trolls and newbies, when there's the slightest form of criticism.
That's unmature, childish, even narcissistic.
STOP IT NOW!
 

ojd

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How many lines do you offer? Is it 300 lines? I would like to see you concentrate on max. 20 that put out guaranteed outcome. So I would be able to make a choice. I am not able to make a choice from 300 lines and you are not able to guarantee any outcome with 300 lines. Nobody is. No matter how elite the parents are.
Same with CSI Humboldt. Yeah, killer parents. No breeding work, no guarantee on whatsoever. I'm probably done with them, aside from some S1s they're giving out.
And please, OJD, finally stop playing the victim, calling people trolls and newbies, when there's the slightest form of criticism.
That's unmature, childish, even narcissistic.
STOP IT NOW!
You dont want that many varieties cool , my customers love my huge catalogue.

As i said what didn't work or you like , lets talk a out it, which strain ?
What did you run of my seeds and think was shit and waste of yours and my time ? , if none to mention why even bring it up ?

Just because you dont like huge catalogues doesnt mean others dont, i cater to a wide audience, 20 strains doesnt touch anything, there more than 20 completely different Haze's i offer let alone, Skunk, Chemdog, Diesel, etc etc etc and i offer different projects of different strains.
People wnat a Chemdog project, a Diesel project, a Haze project, OG kush project etc etc etc projects, thats what i offer , i dont offer 300 Haze's ? , i offer very different projects ( around 20 different projects i offer)

Troll i only call out a few , most have a year or 2 handle , thats a troll , any long standing members il talk it out with, where these claims posted that i call trolls , hardly ever i call that unless trolled ?

Stone
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And a few others , not even 10 i can think of and i been hear the same abrasive OJD for 20 years.
I get lied about constantly, by old 🤡 who supposedly worked with me , and did potcast and other podcast lying through teeth about me and now newbie members or uneducated on the matter quote that same garbage.
Anyone who been around as long as you seen knows those podcast were all lies, and he doesnt even sell seeds anymore 😆, or dropped at least by his distributor, but pretty sure he finished ,

and me put i put in work for last 20 years and nobody can deny that even if you hate me with a vengeance, i documented all online last 20 years , not 1 project i not documented online in last 20 years for everyone to see being made, what other breeder does that , very few, and how many made every last seeds with there own 2 hands , even fewer.
Im 1 of the most hands on breeders there is , and basically move 99.9% of my seeds myself and at a few other reputable seedbanks I suggest for my seeds and many other breeders

greatlakesgenetics.com

@woodstockflowerco,

discreetseeds.co.uk,

and my USA Connoisseur Genetics guy @ConnoisseurgeneticsUSA
 
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regseeds

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How many lines do you offer? Is it 300 lines? I would like to see you concentrate on max. 20 that put out guaranteed outcome. So I would be able to make a choice.
@TrifektaSeeds isn't trolling neither are you Guy Brush.

You can't knock CSI or OJD for doing what they're doing. What you're describing is a restaurant in a great location that caters to tourists, with 12 different cuisines on the menu and 400 choices in an attempt to give people "what they want". At this point, it is what it is, Man will always be man and end up the same way.

If you have the stock and space to make your seed, then you have nothing to complain about to anybody. There is no other way. Commercial strains are what they're........... For that same reason, I don't eat in tourist traps. If I have to go 24-72hr with no food, so be it.
 

regseeds

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@TrifektaSeeds isn't trolling neither are you Guy Brush.

You can't knock CSI or OJD for doing what they're doing. What you're describing is a restaurant in a great location that caters to tourists, with 12 different cuisines on the menu and 400 choices in an attempt to give people "what they want". At this point, it is what it is, Man will always be man and end up the same way.

If you have the stock and space to make your seed, then you have nothing to complain about to anybody. There is no other way. Commercial strains are what they're........... For that same reason, I don't eat in tourist traps. If I have to go 24-72hr with no food, so be it.
Take it one step further.

The whole game is to find what resonates with you. When I put down 30 seeds, I'll find the type of terpene % cannabinoid ratio that rings my bell. For that reason i have no care or need to know what anybody else likes

The onus for that can't be on anybody else
 

RobFromTX

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the New Caledonia is not a landrace.
Ace lies about what they sell and even if it is good , I don’t support deceptive people
I tried to grow the new caledonia indoors twice and they all hermied on me. It must be something i was doing because some other growers on here had some pretty good results.
Some of the plants looked like straight kush though
 

cbotany

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Hands Down, Hoku seed company. Best guy around I couldn't find genetics like his anywhere else. As well ask Lucky dog seed company some of the best for "rec" smoke.
 

cbotany

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Technically speaking gmo have genetics taken from other species inserted like the modern tomatoes that are crossed with a rubber plants for pm resistance or with a snap dragon for the anthocyanin.

I agree there’s no proof of this specific form of modification, cannabis has however been modified in different ways and it wasn’t improved in the process, theres no way of changing it back, when the few remaining unchanged varieties are gone, that’s it they’re not coming back.

Just look at the difference in the chromatography, all those missing spikes where the slope is represented cannabinoids that have been lost.
That didn’t happen naturally through breeding or crossing.

I remember the first skunk being available, it was very strong but all the social effects were gone. After a few generations it wasn’t even strong, landraces didn’t have the tolerance problems you get with skunk because there was no cbd, skunk has an inactive enzymatic pathway for cbd but it becomes active in a cross and gets worse with each generation. All thcp was lost in place of delta 9, it really destroyed what was a highly medicinal plant.
I have outcrossed skunk a tad bit... And let me tell you, the landrace effects are not lost....
 

Hiddenjems

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I understand what you mean. I do not think modern cannabis has been changed in other ways than crossing, breeding and mutations. There is no evidence of that, and genetically modifing an organism costs money. So who should pay for this? It could of course be some of the medical MJ companies, but that seem unlikely. In the future when cannabis is a fully commercial crop there will be genetic modifications I am sure.
It’s simple what happened to weed. When you mix all the colors together you get a shit brown color. We used to have the whole crayola 64 box of a full range of colors and tones. Now like kids trying to make all the colors “better” we have a bland brownish tone.
 

Hiddenjems

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I have outcrossed skunk a tad bit... And let me tell you, the landrace effects are not lost....
Not trying to speak for anyone, but some of the hardcore landrace sativa people believe that as soon as indica, bld, afghanica, whatever they call it was introduced, it ruined everything it was bred with.
 

H e d g e

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It’s simple what happened to weed. When you mix all the colors together you get a shit brown color. We used to have the whole crayola 64 box of a full range of colors and tones. Now like kids trying to make all the colors “better” we have a bland brownish tone.
The diversity of cannabinoids has been lost. In the end delta9 and cbd win.
Not trying to speak for anyone, but some of the hardcore landrace sativa people believe that as soon as indica, bld, afghanica, whatever they call it was introduced, it ruined everything it was bred with.
It was skunk and hemp that destroyed cannabinoid diversity. People think it was indica because there was less selection going on with hash plants so they were the first to be contaminated, carefully observed and measured by Raphael mechoulam while working for the Israelis.

Why do you think it was he was studying cbd to thc ratios in the Lebanese population?

Why were the results so diverse? Type 1 2 and 3? Because they were p1? Or f3?

Do you really believe with all the investment made in eradicating cannabis globally they didn’t think of trying genetic pollution?

Skunk was a Trojan horse.
 
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cbotany

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Not trying to speak for anyone, but some of the hardcore landrace sativa people believe that as soon as indica, bld, afghanica, whatever they call it was introduced, it ruined everything it was bred with.
Correct, they’re enhanced in the f1. That’s why everyone crossed their plants with it. Sadly it’s downhill from there.
Hedge, Have you actually done it yourself? I've had people say all sorts of shit about breeding with true ruderalis...they where wrong...
HiddenJems I think alot of people in theory like true trip sativas, but in reality...not so much... Most people are alot of talk... The buds on the crosses look like what people show on here as "true" landrace sativas... The effects are still there.. You're just kinda more "inside" and less active... Its kinda hard to describe... You're still getting the effects from the sativa... so skunk one had a basis in some pure sativas, and when the genes link up again, the sativa side comes out. Also, if you want to play a drinking game for every time I write sativa go for it, you might black out. When you cross plants that are polar opposite and more wild the results can't really be planned, most of my crosses favored the mother quite a bit, and had her bud structure, but some of the terpene profile of the skunk that i love came out. With that said the odd landrace smell is still with the cross, and I saved the cross with the trait of having a non hollow stem (tri purpose plants have a hollow stem for hemp production, yata yata). Gmo'd weed is intresting in theory, I know people in the goverment that grow weed... but they're not gmoing it...at all.. They're researching traits, and trying to preserve cannabanoids landraces, ect ect... I donate alot to the usda... I don't post alot of pictures ect because I'm not a cameraman.. The only GMO cannabis I've heard of comes from making polyploids which I want to do badly... But when you're mostly giving shit away and messing around not alot of money comes your way... Take everything you hear with a grain of salt, and anything you read with a pound. Skunk is cool, cookies is cool, ogs are cool, find what you like grow it, cross it, preserve it. But don't knock it.... The OP wanted a suggestion on a seed bank...
Check out Hoku... He does what I do but on steroids.
 

cbotany

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Gw have a plant that’s 100% thcv, selective breeding you reckon?
Whats a Gw? My friend had a 1/1 cut for awhile? Buddy, probably.. How do you think we ended up with plants with 0% CBD, Its not like cbg where a process has to be halted to produce it
 

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