400w/Closet - Jock Horror - First grow.

[Anima]

They are looking good.
Prepare for the STREEEEEEEEEEETCH!
They are going to go like rockets once you flip that light..

Also when you are watering it is important that you really saturate it good, let at least a half gallon flow out of the bottom...and test your PH man!!...go to your local fish store and ask for a PH test kit and some PH up and down ..you can probably find a whole kit with everything you need for less than you think and it will work wonders for ya. you want the stuff going in to be about 6.4 (this is just a safe starting point) and the stuff coming out to be less than 7, but not less than 6.4. If if keeps turning blue, just keep flushing it. Some strains are really picky, and others could care less so YMMV, but really every strain has it's own optimum enviroment.
come check out my new thread I think I'll put up some before and after pics of my ph manipulation on my (hopefully) female AK47xSD...(they hate high PH)


Now is the time to take some cuttings!-If you plan on keeping a mom... And I also suggest a bit of LST to increase your yeild.
I wish you better luck than I've had lately with the m/f ratio
-A

 

[Baked]

nice stuff

 

[Random99]

They are looking good.
Prepare for the STREEEEEEEEEEETCH!
They are going to go like rockets once you flip that light..

Also when you are watering it is important that you really saturate it good, let at least a half gallon flow out of the bottom...and test your PH man!!...go to your local fish store and ask for a PH test kit and some PH up and down ..you can probably find a whole kit with everything you need for less than you think and it will work wonders for ya. you want the stuff going in to be about 6.4 (this is just a safe starting point) and the stuff coming out to be less than 7, but not less than 6.4. If if keeps turning blue, just keep flushing it. Some strains are really picky, and others could care less so YMMV, but really every strain has it's own optimum enviroment.
come check out my new thread I think I'll put up some before and after pics of my ph manipulation on my (hopefully) female AK47xSD...(they hate high PH)


Now is the time to take some cuttings!-If you plan on keeping a mom... And I also suggest a bit of LST to increase your yeild.
I wish you better luck than I've had lately with the m/f ratio
-A

Thanks hehe :smile: I'm excited for them to get big! I also switched it to the HPS bulb

And yeah I'll go get a PH kit within the next few days, I've just been putting it off. But if it's not expensive then there's no reason not to, I just gotta drag myself down there one day and yeah i'll check out the thread in the next couple days too, thanks.

The lower leaves are pretty much dead, I gave up on trying to save them. But it's not spreading. But all 3 plants, the lower leaves are pretty much all yellow and dieing....everything above them is fine, and they seem to be doing well on a day to day basis. Should I cut the lower leaves off with a razor? (is there a specific way to do it?) 'Cause they're pretty much just hanging off the plant completely dead, almost about to fall off.

How much longer do I have to take cuttings? I'm not positive I'll be able to grow immediately after this, so I'm going to have to check about that. But if it is a possibility I will definitely want to take clones...when's the latest?

Honestly, the most I want to do is cloning. I probably shouldn't of even attempted to use the fox farm nutes this time. I need to grow once just normal so I see how everything works...and then I can improve from there. So next time I'll try scrog or LST.

What happens if they get so tall that the light's heat is too much, and I can't raise it anymore? Would I just tie it so it's bending sideways?

Thanks again

 

[Anima]

What happens if they get so tall that the light's heat is too much, and I can't raise it anymore? Would I just tie it so it's bending sideways?

yea just tie em down, that's what LST is essentially. If you do it right now it will encourage more flowering sites...
and don't worry too much about the very bottom leaves, unless you keep them in PERFECT conditions you are bound to lose a few. Thats the start of N def.
Getting that PH in order will probably free up some nutes for your plants, and I wouldn't bin the nutes just yet, you are just getting to the point where you are going to need them...just remember to go real easy on them, sativas aren't nute hogs...
Good luck!!
-A
Oh BTW I got those pics I was talking about up in my new thread..

 

[Random99]

Dude Anima you weren't joking! They've almost stretched half a foot...ALREADY.

I'm positive they would gain too much height and hit the lights if I didn't start LST now, so I started.

Can you tell me if I did alright? I know the holes and stuff are fine...but I'm asking about placment/curve/etc.

Here's on top:

Should the 'new curves' be facing TOWARD the light or away from it?

Side view:


Closeup on Plant 1:


Closeup on Plant 2:


Closeup on Plant 3:



I'm mainly doing this for height issues...but are you sure it should also increase my yield?


What exactly should I be trying to do with the LST? Just like...making the stem into a zig zag rather than straight up? When should I put a string on for the next 'curve'?

thanks bud

 

[Random99]

Also...do I only do it on the main stem and not the branches? or both?

 

[Anima]

LOLers yea, I wasn't joking..if you ever grow a more indica strain the stretch will be about half as much..
Otherwise, you are lookin good...you can tie down both the main stem, and the branches...
if I were you I'd bend that top down some more if you think the plants can take it. Growth is going to be the greatest at the top of the plant height-wise, and if the top just happens to consist of a bunch of side branches, you will be increasing your potential yeild. (I just tied down a plant that I had going outside after I brought it in, you can go check my thread to see how I do it..) and as far as further tieing down, I wouln't bend anything so it covers up budsites, just keep snaking the top around in horizontal S-curves. try to keep the main top as high as all of your other tops, and it will grow pretty uniform.
And it doesn't really matter where you bend it, as long as you keep it from getting burned up..
go check through joeshmoe's garden thread too, I think he bends it until there is a crease in the stem, and by the time he finishes, there is a big knot ball thing where he did it, and he draws faces on them....pretty cool...
Any odor problems yet? I've never grown out Jock Horror, and I don't really know if it's a real stinker...but anyways just to be safe-Prepare for the STINK!

 

[Anima]

Also, That string looks a bit thin...I try to use a bit thicker to keep from cutting into the plants...you could put a little piece of something between the string and the plant to help try to keep it from cutting in..just make sure it isn't going to get loose, and start a fire..
and also you want to keep from strangling it because it is going to get quite a bit thicker..so make sure it's got some slack in the loop going around the plant...

 

[Random99]

LST is fun! Hehe. I bent down some more of my biggest one but I'm going to wait a little longer to bend the other two. Maybe I'll wait til I see if they're girls or not...that way I'm not wasting my time sweating under the light

And I put a small stick in between the plant and the string so that i'm not crushing the "hairs" or balls.

Speaking of sex. You know how, wherever there is the sex of the plant, there's the four hairs?

Does the 'balls' or 'extra two hairs' come out of those four hair things now? Or do the balls form to the side of it?

I ask because there is a small "ball" looking thing on all four corners of the biggest one....and it could either be new branch growth or balls...and I need to be prepared on where to look Should be within the next week or so that I see sex, right?


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the smell...hmm, it's very DEEP if you know what I mean. Citrusy and almost sweet smelling, but I'll be able to give a more accurate description once buds start forming. The smell is actually still manageable...but anyone who walks into the closet after it has been closed for a long time will definitely notice a decent smell. But I'm sure I have at least another week or two weeks before I need my carbon scrubber built and running.

 

[Random99]

Here's some pics from this morning of the sex. guesses? *crosses fingers*

This is of Plant #1 (biggest and oldest):





Plant #2:




Plant #3 doesn't have any signs as far as I can tell...too young still. but I figured I'd see if you can see anything in the first two

 

[Anima]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...
Plant #1 = MALE
Plant #2 = Probable MALE
See those balls? if it was a female they would be teardrop shaped, and have little white hairs sticking out of them..
Don't feel bad, the males tend to show themselves first, and be slightly faster growers..your third one will probably be your girl...
Heres a pic I took just for you:
(it's just a bit closer than you have been getting)

This FEMALE preflower is a couple weeks old hence the pinkish color of the hairs, but when they first form the hairs will be white as snow, you can't miss em.
Don't get discouraged man! The best is yet to come!

 

[Random99]

are you positive about number 1?

okay. now...is the thc a TON less than a female? or just a little? or is that just a myth? i'm sure you've grown and smoked both, can you give me an honest compare? i'll cross my fingers that plant 2 and 3 may be female, but incase they aren't, i still need bud so im probably gonna keep them just for this time because of my current growing enviorment, i wouldn't wanna start over right now. :\ but yeah ill keep my hopes up about 2 and 3.

 

[Anima]

Yeah sorry man, but from those pics (good shots BTW) #1 is going to be male, you can probably bet stonedgrunt55's boots on it.
The shots on #2 weren't too clear, but just the fact that they are showing up at the same (early) time as #1, means that it's probably a male...

My pic helps right? do you need a diffrent aspect ratio or something? (trying to be helpful)

I'd think twice about letting them go.
and yeah a male is TON less potent than a female, besides if you do let it go and openly bust a nut everywhere, your probably going to have seeded bud for (possibly, esp if you have carpet) years to come. These plants pollinate using wind power (they dont need bees or anything) that means that the pollen is microscopic, and the plant releases millions, probably more like billions, or a freaking googol for a huge dude, of pollen particles that will remain viable for about 2 years (years longer if you live in a cool/dry climate...or temp controlled room) Unless you want seeds, you should seriously reconsider if you want these plants to live another 7-14 days, because, by then, they will start to do their thing.
All it takes is 1 pollen particle to land on the white hair of the female (pistil) and you will have a seed that probably took about 50x more energy to grow, as opposed to just dying a virgin, and having more cannibiniods.

 

[Random99]

Nah I don't think I need a different pic, that one will do. What I could use...is could you point out exactly where the balls are? Are they the things NEXT to those four long hairs pointing up? Or are the balls INSIDE those four long hairs?


..........and........ Here's some more pics of a 3's sex. I spent some time to get closer for you on all 3. Sorry, I just wanna be sure and I don't trust myself to know yet. Oh and if you can't tell about #3 yet, don't worry about guessing....i'll just wait until it's more formed.




Plant #1: (see how it's fuzzy? you can really see it in this first pic. are the balls just hairy (lmao), or has it already started spreading pollen? :\)


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Plant #2: *crosses fingers, but I'm ready for the worst*


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Plant #3:


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I feel like a first-time-pregnant wife. I just need to be sure!

Thanks for the help as usual


Also thanks for the advice about the males. I'm considering it, thanks. It's just...I'm currently being "allowed" to grow...and I don't think I'll be "allowed" a second time, so this might constitute as my first. I dunno. I have to discuss it and see if they'll be understanding. now do you get why i'm so conflicted with the amount of plants/etc? I can't wait til I get my own place....which, if I'm not allowed to grow here, should be soon.

 

[Guest]

you should get rid of 1 and 2 soon. 3 is a female so congrats and good luck with her.

 

[Random99]

you should get rid of 1 and 2 soon. 3 is a female so congrats and good luck with her.

Thanks man That's great news! 1 female! At least I have one, that's all I wanted in the first place. Kinda sucks that it's my SMALLEST plant, but oh well!

Any idea if Plant #1 has already started pollinating, since it's all...open and fuzzy? I really really hope not.



I'll wait for a second person to confirm the sexes before I cut the other 2 down, just to be safe.

 

[Guest]

yea, when those little balls start opening it usually means they're starting to release pollen. Since they're not that big yet though you shouldn't have a problem as long as you chop soon. If you want to make sure you can wipe down the grow room with a wet rag. i've heard that this method neutralizes the pollen but i've never tried it myself.

 

[Random99]

yea, when those little balls start opening it usually means they're starting to release pollen. Since they're not that big yet though you shouldn't have a problem as long as you chop soon. If you want to make sure you can wipe down the grow room with a wet rag. i've heard that this method neutralizes the pollen but i've never tried it myself.

Damn damn damn! I REALLY hope that Plant #3 hasn't already been pollinated. I do NOT want my ONE girl pregnant! That would really suck. *crosses fingers as usual*

Today is a sad day ...when I cut them, they started leaking out water like blood. I was like "OMG I AM KILLING THEM" and got all emotional. But I'm all good.

yea, when those little balls start opening it usually means they're starting to release pollen. Since they're not that big yet though you shouldn't have a problem as long as you chop soon. If you want to make sure you can wipe down the grow room with a wet rag. i've heard that this method neutralizes the pollen but i've never tried it myself.

hey anima do you think i need to wipe down my room since the balls had opened up or do you think i'll be fine?

 

[Guest]

always emotional that first time cutting 'em down, i felt the same way.

when you chopped, did you get any powdery substance on your hands?

I think you caught it early enough that no damage was done. worst case you get a small number of seeds and you can grow those out. Just a note, those seeds would be the F2 generation and would be less stable (show more diversity in phenotypes) but would still produce some dank bud.

 

[Anima]

ok those "four hair-like tings" (actually there is 2 per leaf) at the base of the leaf stem are called "stipules" both male and female plants have them, and they have nothing to do with the sexual anatomy of the plant. They exist only to protect the very young leaf in formation.
The sex parts are found sprouting up just on the interior side of them.
and unless any of those balls opened up you should be good....
and yeah...#3 is definitly a girl...treat her right.