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400w/Closet - Jock Horror - First grow.

Anima

Active member
another 2 weeks should do it for veg at the rate you are going. Maybe 3., unless you top them, or bend them down...or burn them up with ferts

Now the next question:
When do I get smokeable weed?
more math...14 days veg+75 days flower + 4 days to dry + 14 days to cure=patience
Peace
-A
 

Random99

Member
Anima said:
another 2 weeks should do it for veg at the rate you are going. Maybe 3., unless you top them, or bend them down...or burn them up with ferts

Now the next question:
When do I get smokeable weed?
more math...14 days veg+75 days flower + 4 days to dry + 14 days to cure=patience
Peace
-A

Thanks for the math in the first post. I rather than kind of answer than an exact answer without explination :p And Holy crap! 70+ days for flowering! I didn't expect that, but oh well..it'll make it that much better once I finish.

I had kind of wanted to throw in a couple extra plants but my mom said only a couple, so I want to obey her wishes as long as she allows this. :( Maybe if I explain it to her as a "I can grow a lot at one time, then not have to do it for a while after that, rather than constantly growing all throughout the year." kind of stance she'll let me.
hmm...we'll see.

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are you sure this isn't at least the spot of will show at, once i start flowering? it doesn't look like a leaf, and it seems like all the sexing things i've seen.
 

Big Brother

Member
First grow advice

First grow advice

:joint: Hi thier friend a 400 is good for about three plants indica variety, sativa you need much more light and bigger space I grew Haze in a closet and they need a grow room or outdoors by no later than June. My first grow space was a 105 sqaure closet with a grow space on one side that was short a few feet of being 10 square feet, and you need about 2800 luminness for the seedlings until the plants get above 4-6 inces tall and then you go to a 400 watt or 600 is better, the light requiremnt is 30-40 watt vege grow
and 50-60 watt per sqaure feet. Do that you indooors and not out in the enviroment you want to use granualar fertilzer (control release/slow release) this our found in 4 bound bags or boxes and added in the soil at first as a base fertukzer and add the necessary micro nutrients to the plant, secondly you will need to fertigate the plants indoors every 10-11 days, this is done with a product such as Miraclegro, the store brands you would find in Walmart and in Kmart work just as well. You will need randomly need to test the Ph of your soil. Do not start growing to early, about Late Feburary if you wish to clone and mid March if you do not. I guess you wonder about me, been growing and smoking since Junior High school back in 1969 and I have a degrees in Horticulture and Agriculture. " Mendo Mellow was 2006 it was over 5 feet tall and I could not but my arms around her. " Started Indoors in a closet" she produce a produce alittle over a half pound dried. :wave:
 

Random99

Member
Big Brother said:
:joint: Hi thier friend a 400 is good for about three plants indica variety, sativa you need much more light and bigger space I grew Haze in a closet and they need a grow room or outdoors by no later than June. My first grow space was a 105 sqaure closet with a grow space on one side that was short a few feet of being 10 square feet, and you need about 2800 luminness for the seedlings until the plants get above 4-6 inces tall and then you go to a 400 watt or 600 is better, the light requiremnt is 30-40 watt vege grow
and 50-60 watt per sqaure feet. Do that you indooors and not out in the enviroment you want to use granualar fertilzer (control release/slow release) this our found in 4 bound bags or boxes and added in the soil at first as a base fertukzer and add the necessary micro nutrients to the plant, secondly you will need to fertigate the plants indoors every 10-11 days, this is done with a product such as Miraclegro, the store brands you would find in Walmart and in Kmart work just as well. You will need randomly need to test the Ph of your soil. Do not start growing to early, about Late Feburary if you wish to clone and mid March if you do not. I guess you wonder about me, been growing and smoking since Junior High school back in 1969 and I have a degrees in Horticulture and Agriculture. " Mendo Mellow was 2006 it was over 5 feet tall and I could not but my arms around her. " Started Indoors in a closet" she produce a produce alittle over a half pound dried. :wave:

Hey! :wave:
Thanks for the advice. I'm lucky that most of my seed choices were mainly indica.
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So the main one's I should be worried about their height are...
Haze and Jock Horror

the rest will probably be managable. CRAP. Jock is my current grow!
Since I don't have a TON of height...any advice? Should I just leave her to grow normally, or is there specific things I should do, like with chicken-wire, etc? And are these things MANDATORY? what are the consequences if i don't?
 

Dr Dog

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Hey Dude, you will see two little white hairs sticking out of that spot if it is a girl, I know your anxious, they should start showing soon.
 

Random99

Member
Dr Dog said:
Hey Dude, you will see two little white hairs sticking out of that spot if it is a girl, I know your anxious, they should start showing soon.

cool thanks. and if it's a male, it'll sorta just...puff up and not have anything sticking out, right?

man that sucks. i was really hoping that it would be a 30-40 day flowering, but i've learned that few strains flower that quick pretty much. do you think it would be okay to put a couple of the AK-48 seeds in there with the Jock? Since it takes only 7-8 weeks it says.

opinion? or another strain? here's what i got to work with. what do you think will be the quickest?
Or do you think the timing for flowering /etc be too hard for one grow ballast and a first-time-grower?
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similar

similar

yeah mann i got full blown panic attacks and some really narly insomnia, i thank god everyday for putting this plant on this earth simply because of medication now days, I was put on a prozac,ativan lorazepam regiment which nearly drove me crazy, When i went back he said everyone reacts differently and i should try another drug like Cymbalta?! Which If no FUCKIN different from Prozac! Anyways if it wasn't for medicinal cannabis i'd be better then dead right now! And yes its the main reason for my perscription even tho i do also suffer from back pains and eating problems! From waht you've told me mann what do you got 2 loose? go talk with a doctor...

Grow looks awesome mann! stay positive bro!

much love +karma
 

Stoend

Member
Hey dude just checked out ya diary n i think your doing pretty good :D it must be cold where you live, i ran many fans to keep my old 400w cool, and even then it was hot. Anyways yeah look for 2 white hairs or furrs, theres many pics floating around im sure youve checked em out ;)
Must be time to start thinking about some lst or fim/tipping it? all up to you though buddy you look like you got the general idea sussed.

Btw do you have a thermometre of some sort in there? ide love to know what temps your gettin' :)

peace. :joint:
 

Dr Dog

Sharks have a week dedicated to me
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Well dude, I don't think you can go through a chart to plot your next course, I only have experience with one of those listed, and that would be the AK. You can put anything into a room as long as there are no males you should be fine.

You also can force flower you plants to determine sex, just drop the lights to 12/12 until you see sex show, then if you wish you can change the cycle back. It will slow the progress down a bit, but at least you will know.

If you have them at the height you want now just switch the lights and hope for the best, you should have about a 50/50 shot at getting females.

That 7 to 8 weeks is flowering time, it does not include veg time, which is normally 7 to 8 weeks too.
 

Random99

Member
Plant #1 - 11in tall - 26 days old





Plant #2 - 7in tall - 19 days old






Plant #3 - 9in tall - 19 days old



4 Questions
1. Why is plant #2's leaves bending downward on the end? I know it means something...I just can't remember what. Overwatering?

2. Now that plant #3 is bigger, can you tell what kind of mutation it is? Or is there nothing really specific about it?

3. THEY SMELL ALREADY! What the heck?! Is it common for it to start smelling before you start flowering? I mean...it's pretty strong already, for not having any buds on it. If it's already this much...I'm definitely going to have to build a carbon scrubber sometime soon. Fun! :D Anyway, is it normal to smell this soon?

4. Question 4 is part from question 3. Does this mean that it might be close to time to start flowering? I know everyone is saying "it is up to you, your choice." but what characteristics should I look for, before making this decision?

Again, sorry for such little questions, I understand most of this can be figured out just by waiting it out....but I don't really have any friends that are into this hobby, so that's why I'm so talkative on here...and plus, I'm anxious and fuckin love talking about this shit. and pictures are even more fun! haha
peace
:redface:
 
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Random99

Member
Dr Dog said:
Hey Dude, you will see two little white hairs sticking out of that spot if it is a girl, I know your anxious, they should start showing soon.

Is this what you're talking about, or are those more leaves forming? GIRL?!?!?!?!

edit:....................now that i look closer, i think those might just be more leaves forming. lol, wow, i feel stupid and extremely anxious. *breaths* I just want this big plant #1 to be a girl so fucking bad. It is the best out of the 3...if anything, i hope she's a chick. i can deal with the other two being males, even though i'd rather them not. heh...i guess it's just a waiting game, no point in thinking about it.


these are all of the same plant (plant #1)
ps, these pics were hard as fuck to take lol. i must have sweat 2lbs off kneeling under the light lol.
[click for fullsize]
 
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Anima

Active member
ok ill give you my $0.02

4 Questions
1. Why is plant #2's leaves bending downward on the end? I know it means something...I just can't remember what. Overwatering?
Looks like a bit of nitrogen burn maybe? I'd ease up on any ferts.
A bit too hot maybe? Get a thermometer and put the probe right at canopy level.

2. Now that plant #3 is bigger, can you tell what kind of mutation it is? Or is there nothing really specific about it?
Nope no mutation there. You got yourself a genuine indica phenotype right there. Your other 2 look more sativa (skinny leaves). The sativa phenotypes are going to tend to be the ones that stretch like bitches, take forever to flower, and have lankier buds. (there's exceptions to every rule)
The high is diffrent too. Some like it more than a typical indica stone.

3. THEY SMELL ALREADY! What the heck?! Is it common for it to start smelling before you start flowering? I mean...it's pretty strong already, for not having any buds on it. If it's already this much...I'm definitely going to have to build a carbon scrubber sometime soon. Fun! Anyway, is it normal to smell this soon?
yea I can't resist a "told ya so" moment :bashhead:
Good ones start stinkin early on. esp. without much exaust ventilation.

4. Question 4 is part from question 3. Does this mean that it might be close to time to start flowering? I know everyone is saying "it is up to you, your choice." but what characteristics should I look for, before making this decision?
You don't have to wait for any characteristics, or signs, or whatever....You are like the sun-god for these plants. You switch them to flowering, and they flower...just like that, not that tricky at all. You can do it now if you want. Then after that you will have 1 grow under your belt and you will know more what to expect. Heck you could have started these seeds at 12/12.
Sativas have a tendancy to outgrow the growspace because people underestimate the stretch, so I recommend a sooner than later approach to be safe.
Again, sorry for such little questions, I understand most of this can be figured out just by waiting it out....but I don't really have any friends that are into this hobby, so that's why I'm so talkative on here...and plus, I'm anxious and fuckin love talking about this shit. and pictures are even more fun! haha
peace
heh I like the pics too, and those are some real nice pics of a vegging plant with no signs of sex.

Hope you dont mind me mucking up you thread, but here are some pics that might clear some stuff up for you:
(click for bigness)


This first one is of some male preflowers, you can see where they will pop out from. If this was a girl there would be the white stigmas (little fuzzy white hairs) that everyone is talking about. These little fuzzy white hairs generally turn red after they die. (and thats the red hairs in pot)...at any rate this plant was a MALE.




Ok this plant is a bit further along it is a (mostly male) hermie. See those yellow banana things that are starting to stick out? if it takes you this long to figure out they are male then you will probably get some seeds.
And see those white hairs at the top? This male plant went hermie on me and started producing female parts after butchering it to about 1/8 of it's original size during flower. (didn't want THAT many seeds)...But yeah you can see the hairs indicative of a girl and the banana clumps indicative of a male, all on one little stem there, hopefully I'm not confusing you.

I have some good pics of some sativa VS indica buds I'll upload later for ya if you'd like..
-A
 

Dr Dog

Sharks have a week dedicated to me
Veteran
Pretty much what Anima says here, nice post btw Anima. I still don't see any signs of sex. I am much to lazy to find pics for you, but I am sure of you looked up a guy by the name of JJ scorpio, he is bound to have pics of what a female plant looks like, he has pics of everything.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/15217CIMG1173_Medium_.JPG
check here, courtesy of Budless
 
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Random99

Member
Okay, plant #1 is starting to heal. I feel accomplished! :jump: lol
I can't believe a TINY bit of nutes can fuck up a plant that easily! crazy stuff. live and learn

When do you guys think I should initiate flowering?

My opinion: 5 more days. Please correct me if you feel different, though.

Heights:
Plant 1: 11in.
Plant 2: 10.7in.
Plant 3: 7in.

They are getting a bit smelly, and starting to get pretty big. Here are some pics to help you with the decision:

Here's all 3 together so you can get a visual of the size:
(From left to right - Back row: Plant #1, Plant #2 Front Row: Plant #3)

click for fullsize!

Plant #1's size:


Plant #2's size:


Plant #3's size:



Ruler ...just for fun, the exact measurements are earlier in the post:



Concerns
Since Plant #3 is smaller than the other two, (mainly because it is in a smaller plant, but it is also a generally slower-grower than the other two) would flowering this early in the development process be bad? Or will it be fine? I don't want to leave Plant 1 & 2 for longer than I should (height, etc) just becasue #3 is a little behind.


Anyway, let me know when you guys think I should start flowering. I can't let them go too much longer because of height, so keep that in mind with your suggestions. Feel free to give a "date range" if that makes it easier for you, and then I'll just go by those along with my own opinion. :)

Thanks everyone! :wave:
 
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Stanky420

Member
Hey random!!! Nice looking grow you got going on!!!!!

I dont think i caught this if you mentioned it before but how tall is your grow space?

If you have limited height you may want to consider LST( Low Stress Training) and or SCROG.

There is tons of info on this site regarding those methods!!

Check out my grow there are some pics of LST's plants and my scrog trellis i built for my next grow.

Not only will this make your plants a bit shorter but will help you maximize you harvest!!

Def check it out first before you do anything to see what will work for you grow area. There all different. Im a newbie too so this is all info ive learned since i started growing this wonderful plant

Good luck and keep it green!!! Ill def be sticking around for the grow show!!!!!!


Later,
Stanky

here is a pic of my LST'd Sour Deez -- it will give you an idea what this method does!!!!
 

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