3 weeks in with Aptus shits blowing up around here..

[Dutch touch]

perfect! I am using the Canna A&B.... right now my medium is the cyco coco peat mix. i mix a batch of 30gallons at a time in a garbage can that has RO water transfered to it. I feed by had with a pump and hose. My plants freaked when i got them transplanted... they went from being under a T5 to under 4 1000w hps hortalux's. fed them 150ppm cal mag then added the recommended facilitor ratio cant think of what it is at the moment... and then even ratio of a and b canna to get up to 1000ppm and PH to 5.8.... one of the feedings last week, i did use the start boost since im still in veg but my plants all turned blotchy yellow like large yellow blotches with no specific pattern. I have not been aware of keeping the water at a certain temp. i would guess its at what my room temp is or a little hotter. my room temp stays at 80f and humidity is at 40%. this all seems normal to me so all i could figure was a shock. the other odd thing that i have notticed is that my mixed batch of nutrients the next morning has dropped drastically? like down to a 4.8??????? so i am guessing it is doing that in the coco? thanks for your advice as i am new to growing and wanting to start right by using the best as soon as i could afford it lol

Holy s%#t buddy you tortured the poor things

One thing to remember on small plants when it comes to anything is less is more. You can always add more nutes or light if the plants dont look happy. If you hit them hard with nutes or light you can reverse it but the damage is still done.

When it comes to the light jumping from a T5 to a 1000w will never work unless you got 14ft ceilings. You need to get a 4-600w ballast or a switchable ballast and a 4-600w bulb. You need to break them in to the new environment gently.

As for the nutes just stick with the Aptus feed schedule and the recommended dose on the NPK, Even a little less than the recommended on younger plants and see how they react.

I will help you as much as I can online and I'm sure Jack and the other guys on this thread will.

There are a million and one ways how to grow so try to just stick with what one guy tells you or you will become confused very fast.

Reduce the Canna ASAP ! feel free to inbox me with some pics so I can try to help you

Good luck

 

[locogrower]

i agree with most except it is not a problem at all going from t 5s to 1000 watters. i have done for awhile and have seen done quite alot. i give you much props dutch on everything else but i do know you can make that switch with no problems

 

[Crooked8]

i agree with most except it is not a problem at all going from t 5s to 1000 watters. i have done for awhile and have seen done quite alot. i give you much props dutch on everything else but i do know you can make that switch with no problems

I agree. I do this every run with no issues. Keeping them a little farther away for a couple days is helpful. Dutch def has good touch but i have to say i go t5 right to 1ks everytime and all my buddies do too.

 

[jackmayoffer]

i agree with most except it is not a problem at all going from t 5s to 1000 watters. i have done for awhile and have seen done quite alot. i give you much props dutch on everything else but i do know you can make that switch with no problems

I agree. I do this every run with no issues. Keeping them a little farther away for a couple days is helpful. Dutch def has good touch but i have to say i go t5 right to 1ks everytime and all my buddies do too.

I threw in a rooted cutting pretty nice size and planted it rite in the bed yesterday the room has every other light on 1000 watts hps and today the plant is droopy and yellow some strains can take it some cannot, I took a picture I will look for my camera and post it, So i would say the best advice is to slowly introduce your new cuttings to the big room always start off lights rasised as high as possible and if you can dim your ballast or only turn on 1 or 2 first day or two. then this would prevent shock. Its easier to do that then to deal with plants that have been shocked. JACK

 

[legendog]

Had to sign up and vote can't thank you enough we have copy every single thing about your rooms and feed and have never done better we have 4 rooms each room is 40 k on a flip flop. We have had the same issues with White Fire one run it will be real frosty and smell like the white next run completly differen't and more of a 40% Fire 60% white pheno its happened over and over to us. We are thinking that it is the fem seeds ?

 

[slimjoint]

Hows it going jack? love your op.
Just a quick question ive decided to make a switch over aptus,been using pbp hh/moab for a while and i cant seem to get over 1.5# even with what seemed to be perfect room conditions.(45-50rh 75-80 degrees)

I talked to aptus support on the phone and they recommended giving aptus every feeding.
is there a particular reason you feed once a week?

 

[midwestdensies]

Any company is going to tell you to use their product and at more of a rate than needed. It uses more product in turn creating them more money.

 

[slimjoint]

Any company is going to tell you to use their product and at more of a rate than needed. It uses more product in turn creating them more money.

i figured that might be their reasoning. but i wonder if the results differ i.e. less is more. or if the results are slightly better but not enough to justify using that much.

 

[GOT DANK]

sup jack??? you try Heavy 16 new Lineup??? Root and Finish??? danks jack

 

[jackmayoffer]

Thanks for the votes !! To answer a few questions I do belive the reason White Fire varies in its growing pattern is beacuse of the fem seeds no true males this type of cannabis breading is fairly new and you can't beat a true male and a proven female. As far as how often to feed Aptus 1 to 2 times a week for there boosters in flower has worked good for us. In veg start boost and fasilitor every other watering, You can use fasilitor more often but we have found alternating between sea grean and fasilitor works great. As far as Heavy 16 I have not tried there roots and finish but I'd be willing to give it a go. Have you tried it if so what where the results. At the moment I'm trying a couple different Cana base nutes , And doing a run with Aptus and with out.Jack

 

[LEDNewbie]

Any rock wool vs coco updates jack?

 

[Lesterburnum]

Damn good thread jack! I have to say, as others have, I appreciate all your feedback and tips. You have answered the same questions over and over and new questions.
I have read every page from the beginning. I have been growing for years and in soil, aero and now coco. Been in coco for 3 years and love it. Smashing at 2 per 1k. Gonna stay with my nute regime but i agree with your feeding schedule and ppm's.
I will be trying the tea and sea green and hopefully that will get me closer to the 3 mark. I only use great white now as far as bennies.
So just wanted to say good job and I appreciate your continuing feedback.

 

[locogrower]

much props as always

couple questions that i know have probably been answered but i cant find and i just switched to coco from dirt and having a little trouble dialing in.

some real quick back round first. doing sensi A & B and cal mag about .5 to .7 strength and aptus. with tea once a week and sea green once a week. was doing dirt know doing coco " switched within last month"
i have quite a few lights "warehouse for dispensary" but do to plant count here i can only do about 5 plants a light and have to veg in separate room and transplant into 10 gal pots and flip in same day do to size constraints. I just put trays in every room so i can start feeding till run off at least once to 2x a week. was not able to do in dirt without over watering. would like to do every day but the plants would be over watered if i did. i am changing my veg pot size "bigger... half gallon to 2 gallon" and than what i transplant into for flip " 7 to 10 gal " and hopefully it will fix that. not big enough root structure i believe, if it takes too long to use up and gets sick. a friend feeds every day till run off with excellent success but he is able to veg like 2x the size as me and they seem to be able to handle it with no problems.
temps are 77 to 83 and 30% to 40% humidity in flower and around 80 with 45% humidity in veg. sealed room. trying to still dial in co2. i have burners but it seems hard so far to get dialed in it says my room is always around 1500 regardless how lit or often burners are on. this is a lit puzzling to me but trying to figure out. i am orginally a hydro guy but got brought onto a new job where it was all dirt and the enviroment was crazy been dialing in last year or so. getting up to about 1.5 a light with right plants and veg time and health but i need 2 plus to get to where i need to be. and really could use some advice from someone who has done on large scale and knows what they are doing. hard to find these days. i know your method is a little diff than mine but again any help would be appreciated.

1. do you use a wetting agent with tea? is there anything else you foilar feed with or add to tea?

2. you use 6.2 for coco as well? even when not using aptus?

3.your ppms seem crazy low do you know how many mil per gallon of the A and B sensi you used during flower. did you use same when using aptus and when just base and cal mag?? i go half strength to 3 quarter and still on high side it seems. also cal mag ? i use ro water and cant seem to find the sweet spot for mil per gallon. its either not enough or to much. my ppms seem hard to keep under 1000. do you cut base in half? and cal mag?

4. what ph meter do you use? i have 4 and they all range from 5.9 to 6.4 give or take no matter how many times i calibrate. I keep getting a little purple on some of my stems which i believe to be a lockout of some sort probably due to ph.

Thank you for any help and keep grinding

hope this helps any others out too,

 

[Goldrush509]

Hey jack, big props and respect. I'm new to the forum thing so forgive any lapse is etiquette .
I was wondering what you feelings are on the under current systems(why'd you ditch em?) and your switch to a mix of vert and horizontal bulb placement.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Hey jack. Quick question about Og Biowar tea. They recommend a ph of 6.5-7.0.

Is it a big deal feeding coco a ph that high once a week? What do you do for ph? Thanks brother!

 

[DrFever]

i agree with most except it is not a problem at all going from t 5s to 1000 watters. i have done for awhile and have seen done quite alot. i give you much props dutch on everything else but i do know you can make that switch with no problems

I think people tend to transplant there cuttings from t5's then place them under 1000's ......
From transplant shock possibly to intense lighting can = disaster
i tend to transplant leave them under t'5s for couple days then place them under raised 1000's ....
Then every day lowering lights there after .. with out any hic ups

 

[YaaMon]

Jack, do you use the 6 inch or foot tall risers for your tophat dripper?

 

[Peacheater81]

What I have been doing is dimming the ballasts down to 600, and running 600w MH bulbs raised all the way up till flower.

 

[Peacheater81]

Jack, I have searched all your threads and can't figure out what emitters you are using...please help a brother out

 

[truecannabliss]

Just received a bunch of Aptus samples, gonnna have to go back and read through this awesome thread again.....thanks for all the effort sharing this.
Peace