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superpedro

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Your new grow is looking really good scrubs.
Are you going for a less dense canopy this time?

I wasn't really thinking about mold when I asked about humidity.
I made a DIY AC/intake cooler once, but since it works by water evaporation and radiators, and isn't that efficient at high humidities.
Never mind :)
 

Helis

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I have to agree with pedro the new canopy is looking lovely and proper. Nice and even... Can't wait to see where this goes.
Having happy holidays with your shit-tonne I see? The canna-pills sound lovely, I've never tried the natural sort but they've been alluring for a while.

About PL-Ls, would you say any brand of 55w in the proper temperature are okay? There's a 13 USD gap between Philips PL-Ls and "Plusrite" bulbs, despite sharing the same specs.
Also how much headroom are your bulbs using? Can't be much more than 5cm I imagine... I have ~10cm (4") of laminar-flow cooled lighting headroom... How much do you think I can shave? :crazy:

Cheers! And Happy Holidays!
 

#1cheesebuds

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<- hard drugs, lol.

Anyone made canna pills? That's where the popcorn is going. I found more popcorn on the branches from when I originally cut it to dry. This is 5.2gm and should make a fair few caps. I started water curing it tonight. Gonna WC more soon for my glycerin tincture.:smokeit: Hope all is well.

yess I did make them befor. I grinded up popcone buds put all the grinds in the empty pills. filled them up nice and tight.
I loved them. woo eee.:xmasnut:

also thats a very nice closeup of that new plants buds.

:xmastree::eggnog:
 

superpedro

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I have to agree with pedro the new canopy is looking lovely and proper. Nice and even... Can't wait to see where this goes.
Having happy holidays with your shit-tonne I see? The canna-pills sound lovely, I've never tried the natural sort but they've been alluring for a while.

About PL-Ls, would you say any brand of 55w in the proper temperature are okay? There's a 13 USD gap between Philips PL-Ls and "Plusrite" bulbs, despite sharing the same specs.
Also how much headroom are your bulbs using? Can't be much more than 5cm I imagine... I have ~10cm (4") of laminar-flow cooled lighting headroom... How much do you think I can shave? :crazy:

Cheers! And Happy Holidays!

I don't know the Plusrite bulbs at all. But I can tell you a little secret about multiple bulb lamps. :)

We all love growing an inch from the flouro light source, but as soon as you have them close together the rules change.
If you imagine the light emitted from a bulb as a "cone", every time the area of a cross section is doubled, the amount of light is halved. Simple.
But if you hang your bulbs close enough to each other , and you make sure that when ever a cross section is doubled, it gets hit by light from twice the amount of bulbs. The space between lamp and plants become much less important, and you can worry about giving the buds some cooler air instead ;)
 

ScrubNinja

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Hello :) Thanks for the info Cheese, I'm looking forward to these more now. You can actually see a gnat in that pic if you look closely. :eek::

Pedro, cheers, I bought an air conditioner because it was so cheap and barely used much power, and I figured it would lower the humidity too. I got it home and then researched, and realised it was an evaporative cooler! Useless in this weather. :biglaugh: But the cooler will make a great grow chamber of course ;)

Definitely going for less but larger buds! However with only 110w it won't be too spectacular. I had to take cuts in flower so I've really done everything wrong. Now most of the cuts are dead/dying anyway :( I suspect it's too hot ambient, it's about 84f right now and it's night time! I dunno though. I sure hope I can reveg the keepers from this run.

Howdy Helis. Personally I wouldn't get the cheap ones but you'd have to look at their spectral output to make an informed decision. But on the other hand you don't neccesarily need Philips. I would take a look for some other decent brands. Osram springs to mind - they were the cheapest on ebay when I bought my 36w's, and they look decent to me. Got a 24w Osram 2700k in the vert grow and it seems to be doing what it says on the box :)

I try to have the tips of the tips about 1cm from the bulbs. Because I have big gaps this run between the bulbs, I also grow up into that space, beside the bulbs.

Speaking of which, I got the ballast wiring explained in person today so I should be good to go when the bulbs turn up. :woohoo:

It's freaky how much shit comes out of water cured buds - never ceases to amaze me.
 

ScrubNinja

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This is what happens when they grow into the bulbs:
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Not looking too bad though! I don't normally slide 'em out because I have to maneuver trained branches perilously around the fan.

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Also, I misunderstood:

Also how much headroom are your bulbs using? Can't be much more than 5cm I imagine... I have ~10cm (4") of laminar-flow cooled lighting headroom... How much do you think I can shave?

From the reflector/roof it's 3cm or so to the bottom of the bulbs. So, I aim to have the buds 4cm from the roof in other words. They're very slim like that.
 

ScrubNinja

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24w PLL - Leda Uno's

24w PLL - Leda Uno's

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+ one of my dead TWxPD males - now I have none :( but you can also see the one male that survived next to it but it's a Leda Uno :smoke:

Lets not even discuss the clones... OH WELL :smokeit:
 

grow1620

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looks like some kinda vertical orgy.

Don't get any alcohol in there or there's gonna be unplanned pregnancies all over the place.
 

ScrubNinja

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It's cool, the only living male is a eunich, and as well as that, I think the dead corpses of the other males have kinda spoiled the sexytimes vibe for Mr Uno. :biglaugh:
 

Helis

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No man should have to live without his balls.
And boy they sure do like that bulb! Get any burn issues?
Also thanks for the feedback, it looks like I'll spend the 10 USD per bulb for GE, Osram, or Sylvania, but I'll compare spectral outputs across the board this evening and see what my best bet is.

&& ...3cm! :yoinks: well that's gonna require some redesign but I'm happy to reclaim any headroom I can get. Very nice. Mucho appreciado Señor Ninja.

Also this last run I took a few cuttings just during preflower and while some rooted, none took... I understand your hardship. Sure did learn a lesson though.

Peace
Helis

We all love growing an inch from the flouro light source, but as soon as you have them close together the rules change.
If you imagine the light emitted from a bulb as a "cone", every time the area of a cross section is doubled, the amount of light is halved. Simple.
But if you hang your bulbs close enough to each other , and you make sure that when ever a cross section is doubled, it gets hit by light from twice the amount of bulbs. The space between lamp and plants become much less important, and you can worry about giving the buds some cooler air instead ;)
Also Pedro thank you for this, I understand the inverse square law but had not heard it applied in the sense of multiple bulbs. I had always thought that the additional lighting density from multiple lamps helped with getting enough light to the plants, but not in that it allowed for the canopy distance to be greater.
Either way my intent in shaving the 4" I have designated to lights is to reclaim some medium-to-bulb (plant height) distance, as I will also be losing some installing my E&F table for next round. Looks like the lights will sit in the top 2" of the cab now that I've had some time to tinker around in there.
 
yess I did make them befor. I grinded up popcone buds put all the grinds in the empty pills. filled them up nice and tight.
I loved them. woo eee.:xmasnut:

also thats a very nice closeup of that new plants buds.

:xmastree::eggnog:

all you do is put the bud in the pills? that works?



and Scrub, I'm looking for just a good all around strain. I don't know a thing about which ones are best, like I heard BOG is good, and I liked what I saw, but is he just selling the same thing other people are selling but for more money?
 

b00m

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Hey bro my Dyna x PD males dropped there load fucking everywhere then went belly up with no indication at all except that it must of been too much flowering for them so hard and quick, well I've got heaps of seeds coming along with some f2's in the making of the Dyna's and some mixes of the indica and sativa phenos from my Lot 2's, hopefully they are all viable and will create some fun crosses. Should have some new pics for everyone soon. Things are looking good @ your place bruz.

Happy Gardening All.
Peace.
:eggnog: :tree: :smokeit:
 

ScrubNinja

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Helis, I've found if you get roots, you've succeeded! It just takes longer for them to actually grow because they're reverting back to veg before the top will grow. I'll try to find some old pics with revegged cuts. They look strange for a while. A lot of the first cuttings I ever took were of flowering plants and I always got 100% for a long time. I'm currently thinking it's either the heat, or too much air exchange/need domes, but I hate domes and need the air exchange, lol.

No burning on the vert bulb! It's quite cool to touch the bulb all over, with two fans on it. Occasionally some leaves will get slightly scorched on the edge or something, but generally no bad effects. Budlets have rested on the bulb/base without burning.

M-Saur - I can't speak for cheese, but you'd want some form of oil in there to break down the thc if you wanted max effectiveness. I'll be doing a hybrid of the techniques discussed here. There is no good info on pills on ICmag that I can find. Commercial interests may be involved from what I can tell.

As far as strains, I'm not too familiar with BOG but I know he's respected. The BOG Lifesaver on SeedBoutique is about $100aud which seems fair enough, I guess. Sometimes people will sell F2s cheaper so perhaps that was what you were looking at? If you get them from a reputable place they should be the same seed, even if different price.

If money's an issue, look to Nirvana and the other cheapies (F2s) and you should get some keepers.

Hey Boom! Nice to hear from you bro. What killed mine was that I cut them back massively, then had them in only the secondhand light from the vert bulb for a coupla days, then they were wilted and it was game over. I tried repotting to a smaller pot and even stripped one back to the jiffy, but too late. Strange that yours carked it too eh! Best of luck with those seeds :yes:

Okay, that's the epic first post of the day out of the way. Now to smoke some weed! :smokeit:
 

ScrubNinja

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Aww shucks :eek:: Thanks Ommy! I try to make it entertaining :) It says I can't rep you!

Here are some old pics I found of cuts taken from an Afghan in flower. The first one shows the roots, once you got them, everything is gonna be a-ok :yes: I put mine in harsh tropical sun at that stage no probs. I trimmed off some of the buddage but they would have been several weeks into flower.

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And I believe this is one of those cuts 18 days later. First comes the mongy reveg leaves, then normal growth.

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It's a miracle... gets to me every time :)

:thanks:
 

ScrubNinja

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yummm, afghan.

Oh heckz yeah! Here is what those 3 cuts turned into. The tall lanky one I flowered in the yard and seeded:
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And the other 2 went out bush in tiny pots and weren't looked after very well.

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I think they're a nirvana afghan these ones - slow growing, but great smoke. :bandit:
 

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