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2024 US Presidential Election
xtsho
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Only thing that is certain is that I'm an American citizen with a functioning brain and critical thinking skills. I'm able to articulate in great detail.
You on the other hand fling nothing but one line zingers you plagiarized from some right wing lunatic.
xtsho
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Regarding the hostage release:
j d. vance says this:
“But we have to ask ourselves: Why are they coming home? And I think it’s because bad guys all over the world recognize Donald Trump’s about to be back in office, so they’re cleaning house.”
He concluded: “That’s a good thing, and I think it’s a testament to Donald Trump’s strength.”
trump says this:
“I got back many hostages, and gave the opposing Country NOTHING,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Thursday evening. “To do so is bad precedent for the future.”
Reality is this:
"Trump was complicit in the return of an Iranian scientist in 2019, three Taliban prisoners from Afghanistan, an Iranian-American doctor, and almost 300 Houthi rebels from Oman all in 2020 in exchange for the release of Americans"
The far right's playbook is to make stuff up or just flat out lie. They're not fooling anyone except the diehard maga that live in an echo chamber.
So they're now calling Russia the bad guy after supporting them over Ukraine. When I look at maga I see pretzels.
j d. vance says this:
“But we have to ask ourselves: Why are they coming home? And I think it’s because bad guys all over the world recognize Donald Trump’s about to be back in office, so they’re cleaning house.”
He concluded: “That’s a good thing, and I think it’s a testament to Donald Trump’s strength.”
trump says this:
“I got back many hostages, and gave the opposing Country NOTHING,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Thursday evening. “To do so is bad precedent for the future.”
Reality is this:
"Trump was complicit in the return of an Iranian scientist in 2019, three Taliban prisoners from Afghanistan, an Iranian-American doctor, and almost 300 Houthi rebels from Oman all in 2020 in exchange for the release of Americans"
The far right's playbook is to make stuff up or just flat out lie. They're not fooling anyone except the diehard maga that live in an echo chamber.
So they're now calling Russia the bad guy after supporting them over Ukraine. When I look at maga I see pretzels.
moose eater
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xtsho
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That guy nailed it. I especially like the line "Jesus shares more values with a socialist Hippie than he does a rich man from New York."
moose eater
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I'd meant to say this is a very nice-looking vessel you posted. Not just the paint, but the lines/structure.
The inset motor/transom (Though many now run inboards), high sides and raised bow give it the appearance of what has been the seine skiffs, used by salmon seiners to take out the net and circle it back to the primary boat, encircling the salmon.
Most of these seine skiffs are now made from heavy aluminum hulls, though.
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moose eater
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My friend, whose marine canvas freighter we used on some other lakes that go way back in my time in the Yukon for our successful lake trout outing, recently remade his transom on that boat, using what looked like 2" thick oak.
The older style wood/marine canvas/etc. boats indeed require a lot more maintenance. He and another friend, who also built a very similar marine canvas-skinned Canadian freighter-type boat, both have had to recanvas their boats, though I'm not sure how many times they've done so in the last 40+ years. There've also been the remaking of the transom, refitting gunwales and bow plates, rub boards on the outside of the hull, etc.
For a good while the alternative school in the village there, both fondly and critically referred to as 'The Hippie School' depending on who you're speaking with, made cedar strip and fiberglass double-end canoes, with the deluxe model having a brass bow plate, moose babiche seats woven from raw moose hide, and a contoured center thwart of oak made into a yoke shape for carrying by one person underneath the thing, with the boat inverted.
I can't remember for sure now, but I think our deluxe cedar strip canoe, often with alternating red, yellow and brown/blonde cedar 1" x 1/8" strips and glassed, with the deluxe accouterments listed above, went for somewhere between $1,500 and $2,000 Canadian Currency back then. These days a deluxe canoe of that sort might go for upwards of $5,000 in really nice shape. Maybe more.
The images below, like those posted earlier as examples of double-end dories of various types, are not mine, but borrowed as representative examples.
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I had a 37 foot double ender on Sechelt inlet in the 70s - running a Chrysler Royal flat head straight 8. A monster motor. She cruised at 8 knots with a top of 13. Cedar/cypress over oak with a wheelhouse cabin. Built in the 30s and served as fishing rig and logging tug. There were some boats around made from pure yellow cedar in the 20s, not even painted and in way better shape than mine.
moose eater
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Cedar's an amazing wood.
When I worked briefly in 1979 for the US Forest Circus, when we were out in muskegs working, dropping trees, etc., we had chainsaw mini-mills, and the cedar was sturdy/durable enough in the water, and plentiful enough back then, they had us rip 3-inch planks with the mini-mill of various cedars, including yellow, and literally lay them across the muskeg's more wet areas to walk across.
Like bathing in hundred-dollar bills.
Small commercial mill outfits would also set up on numerous logging roads, on Prince of Walles Island and elsewhere, and make cedar shakes on site. Not so much of that anymore.
oh wow man! those looks great! and it sounds like they were very well made by the kids
im not going to get into the state of education in the us right now, but a lot of kids would do well in programs like that
/haha just noticed the side arm on the babe! she is ready to play
to many far-right "Christians", Jesus was a woke softie. they miss the hell-fire and brimstone nutjobs consigning folks to hell for dancing or something...
moose eater
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Most of the students there after the place was 'made' into a residential alternative school were at least 15 and many 16 to 19 years old, some of whom had difficulty succeeding in more conventional settings.
Parent members worked for a stipend of about $200/month CAD and room and board. We also had volunteer workers, who worked for a bit less. It was an act of, and dedication to love and a project of the heart and 'vision'.
Ironically, the place (the alternative school) was dreamt up by a very wise man, Bishop John Frame, who believed that young people had what they needed to navigate the complexities of life and make something worthy of themselves, provided less rigid but meaningful guidance.
We had a full wood shop in the basement, in a large building as the 'center' of the campus, occupying what had originally been the Choutlah Creek Residential School, where there had been lots of bad memories for many of the (Tlingit and Northern Tutchone Bands) elders from their childhoods there.
There were also homes near the main building and a hand-hewn dovetail-notched log cabin up on the hill at the base of Nares Mountain, where I stayed for a time.
Though we got along well with the Village folks, including the elders, when we'd throw a big feed, cabaret/stage event/ball game, etc., many of the local Village First Nations elders wouldn't attend due to memories of the place when it was a more rigid Anglican-run Indian Residential School that had often been quite oppressive/repressive toward the culture they were attempting to annihilate in the name of integration/assimilation and making all young Indians into good white men and respectable Canadian citizens in the eyes of some fairly narrow religious zealots... speaking of reasons not to integrate or merge religious views and governments...
The closing of the school, a place of surrogate family for many for a good while, most of a decade, occurred with a closing celebration on June 29, 1979, and we PARTIED like we never had done so there before.
It had been written into the creation of the Carcross Community Education Centre that when/if the demand for such a place waned (and personally, I don't really believe it had when it closed; the need was still there), the place would shut down voluntarily.
It had always been a burden to maintain and fund the place, especially the larger main building, on pennies, barely maintaining black ink in the books and sometimes not even doing that.
On June 29, 1979, we drank, smoked a bit of weed and hash (off-grounds, technically), maybe ate some peyote buttons, and remembered. There were live (ad lib and structured, both), cabaret performances, champagne, lots of good homemade foods, and the last deluxe cedar strip canoe to come off our 'line' was dedicated and gifted to Bishop John Frame, with a brass bow plate that was inscribed with, "To the Man with the Boat That Just Couldn't Float".
Choutla School: the Indian Residential School at Carcross, Yukon
Photos and historic newspaper articles related to the school, opened by the Anglican Church in 1903 as an Indian residental school.
www.explorenorth.com
15 ‘potential’ gravesites found near former Yukon residential school - BC | Globalnews.ca
15 potential graves were found near the site of former Chooutla Residential School in Carcross, Yukon. The potential gravesites were found using ground-penetrating radar.
globalnews.ca
The original Choutlah Creek Indian Residential School and its well-intended sins...
'The Hippie School': A positive transition for an old building that had held too many nightmares, now (1972-ish) turned into a better dream.
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greyfader
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Most of the students there after the place was 'made' into a residential alternative school were at least 15 and many 16 to 19 years old, some of whom had difficulty succeeding in more conventional settings.
Parent members worked for a stipend of about $200/month CAD and room and board. We also had volunteer workers, who worked for a bit less. It was an act of, and dedication to love and a project of the heart and 'vision'.
Ironically, the place (the alternative school) was dreamt up by a very wise man, Bishop John Frame, who believed that young people had what they needed to navigate the complexities of life and make something worthy of themselves, provided less rigid but meaningful guidance.
We had a full wood shop in the basement, in a large building as the 'center' of the campus, occupying what had originally been the Choutlah Creek Residential School, where there had been lots of bad memories for many of the (Tlingit and Northern Tutchone Bands) elders from their childhoods there.
There were also homes near the main building and a hand-hewn dovetail-notched log cabin up on the hill at the base of Nares Mountain, where I stayed for a time.
Though we got along well with the Village folks, including the elders, when we'd throw a big feed, cabaret/stage event/ball game, etc., many of the local Village First Nations elders wouldn't attend due to memories of the place when it was a more rigid Anglican-run Indian Residential School that had often been quite oppressive/repressive toward the culture they were attempting to annihilate in the name of integration/assimilation and making all young Indians into good white men and respectable Canadian citizens in the eyes of some fairly narrow religious zealots... speaking of reasons not to integrate or merge religious views and governments...
The closing of the school, a place of surrogate family for many for a good while, most of a decade, occurred with a closing celebration on June 29, 1979, and we PARTIED like we never had done so there before.
It had been written into the creation of the Carcross Community Education Centre that when/if the demand for such a place waned (and personally, I don't really believe it had when it closed; the need was still there), the place would shut down voluntarily.
It had always been a burden to maintain and fund the place, especially the larger main building, on pennies, barely maintaining black ink in the books and sometimes not even doing that.
On June 29, 1979, we drank, smoked a bit of weed and hash (off-grounds, technically), maybe ate some peyote buttons, and remembered. There were live (ad lib and structured, both), cabaret performances, champagne, lots of good homemade foods, and the last deluxe cedar strip canoe to come off our 'line' was dedicated and gifted to Bishop John Frame, with a brass bow plate that was inscribed with, "To the Man with the Boat That Just Couldn't Float".
Choutla School: the Indian Residential School at Carcross, Yukon
Photos and historic newspaper articles related to the school, opened by the Anglican Church in 1903 as an Indian residental school.www.explorenorth.com
15 ‘potential’ gravesites found near former Yukon residential school - BC | Globalnews.ca
15 potential graves were found near the site of former Chooutla Residential School in Carcross, Yukon. The potential gravesites were found using ground-penetrating radar.
The original Choutlah Creek Indian Residential School and its well-intended sins...
'The Hippie School': A positive transition for an old building that had held too many nightmares, now (1972-ish) turned into a better dream.
cool pieces of history. these old boats and the ways of making them represent more than just the boat itself.
every one of them has a piece of history attached that shouldn't be lost.
speaking of boats, the ukrainans just sank a russian submarine, the "rostov-on-don" that was previously damaged by a missile in sept 2023.
and destroyed four s-400 missile sites that cost the russians 500 million each.
greyfader
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i'm sure you all have heard about the horrible knife attack on children in the uk that left 3 dead and 10 wounded.
the perpetrator is a 17 year old. he is a natural born citizen of the uk.
the far right immediately put out a misinformation campaign saying that he was a migrant. probably because he is black. this, in turn, has sparked violent protests.
another case of white christian nationalist spreading hate for propaganda purposes.
racist, misogynistic, fascists spreading hate and violence in the name of jesus.
how unchristian is that behavior?
the perpetrator is a 17 year old. he is a natural born citizen of the uk.
the far right immediately put out a misinformation campaign saying that he was a migrant. probably because he is black. this, in turn, has sparked violent protests.
another case of white christian nationalist spreading hate for propaganda purposes.
racist, misogynistic, fascists spreading hate and violence in the name of jesus.
how unchristian is that behavior?
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Most of the students there after the place was 'made' into a residential alternative school were at least 15 and many 16 to 19 years old, some of whom had difficulty succeeding in more conventional settings.
Parent members worked for a stipend of about $200/month CAD and room and board. We also had volunteer workers, who worked for a bit less. It was an act of, and dedication to love and a project of the heart and 'vision'.
Ironically, the place (the alternative school) was dreamt up by a very wise man, Bishop John Frame, who believed that young people had what they needed to navigate the complexities of life and make something worthy of themselves, provided less rigid but meaningful guidance.
We had a full wood shop in the basement, in a large building as the 'center' of the campus, occupying what had originally been the Choutlah Creek Residential School, where there had been lots of bad memories for many of the (Tlingit and Northern Tutchone Bands) elders from their childhoods there.
There were also homes near the main building and a hand-hewn dovetail-notched log cabin up on the hill at the base of Nares Mountain, where I stayed for a time.
Though we got along well with the Village folks, including the elders, when we'd throw a big feed, cabaret/stage event/ball game, etc., many of the local Village First Nations elders wouldn't attend due to memories of the place when it was a more rigid Anglican-run Indian Residential School that had often been quite oppressive/repressive toward the culture they were attempting to annihilate in the name of integration/assimilation and making all young Indians into good white men and respectable Canadian citizens in the eyes of some fairly narrow religious zealots... speaking of reasons not to integrate or merge religious views and governments...
The closing of the school, a place of surrogate family for many for a good while, most of a decade, occurred with a closing celebration on June 29, 1979, and we PARTIED like we never had done so there before.
It had been written into the creation of the Carcross Community Education Centre that when/if the demand for such a place waned (and personally, I don't really believe it had when it closed; the need was still there), the place would shut down voluntarily.
It had always been a burden to maintain and fund the place, especially the larger main building, on pennies, barely maintaining black ink in the books and sometimes not even doing that.
On June 29, 1979, we drank, smoked a bit of weed and hash (off-grounds, technically), maybe ate some peyote buttons, and remembered. There were live (ad lib and structured, both), cabaret performances, champagne, lots of good homemade foods, and the last deluxe cedar strip canoe to come off our 'line' was dedicated and gifted to Bishop John Frame, with a brass bow plate that was inscribed with, "To the Man with the Boat That Just Couldn't Float".
Choutla School: the Indian Residential School at Carcross, Yukon
Photos and historic newspaper articles related to the school, opened by the Anglican Church in 1903 as an Indian residental school.www.explorenorth.com
15 ‘potential’ gravesites found near former Yukon residential school - BC | Globalnews.ca
15 potential graves were found near the site of former Chooutla Residential School in Carcross, Yukon. The potential gravesites were found using ground-penetrating radar.
The original Choutlah Creek Indian Residential School and its well-intended sins...
'The Hippie School': A positive transition for an old building that had held too many nightmares, now (1972-ish) turned into a better dream.
Cool. I was involved in a somewhat related venture (lateish 70s) in helping (teaching) to establish a school which would be run by indigenous peoples of the west coast. It is still running in a huge longhouse structure at 5th and Scotia in Vancouver. We started out in a room above a shop on East Hastings.
moose eater
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Each and every handmade boat will have the imperfections or character put into them by the builder, like fingerprints, in theory all unique.
moose eater
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Very nice.
There's more heart in reviewing some of those clips than I expected sometimes. It seems that back in the day, the dreams, whether collective or more individual, were more readily turned to reality, at least for a while.
Some of the more graphic stories that can be found, re. crimes committed against Indian students at some of the Indian residential schools, some of them very young at their ages of trauma, surpass the definitions of 'twisted' or 'cruel'.
An elder from Carcross came to a reunion numerous years ago, and addressed the reunion. He said they'd seen the coming of the hippies to the old residential school as having been a positive thing.
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moose eater
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East Hastings? Near Blunt Bros. Cafe'? And the old Urban Organix Seeds, upstairs, above Blunt Bros.?
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No; out near Nanaimo and Hastings. I can't even remember the nondescript store downstairs.
i've seen on here several folks that dislike Harris because as a district atty she put folks in jail. (most hate was over pot "crimes") but nobody mentions that she and her office helped defend Harborside when Melinda Haag etc tried to shut them down/steal their money etc. i'll give credit when it's due.
