2016 Outdoor Garden of Eden

[TheOutlawTree]

I am not positive this is true or not, but would like to know- I have heard that spinosad is not safe to spray on cannabis, and that sc labs was failing cup entries last year for 'microbial' contaminates.....some coming from spinosad. This is just what I was told, dont quote me on it.

I have been adding regalia, actinovate, and B.T to my foliar sprays that include the AEA cocktail. I tried calling reps to see if those 3 are compatible and they all said I'm good to go- but I dont trust their word. It seemed those reps didnt know what they were talking about and just wanted to push product. I asked an actinovate rep if i can mix regalia, actinovate, and potassium bicarbonate and he said "Yes that will work", and when i asked if it was worth it / more effective he said "Well we never actually tried that, but I'm sure it would be fine"

 

[_tessarecting]

I dump stuff in with my foliar...entire bottle of bt...essential oil mixes at 15ml/gal...never noticed a reaction as long as I dont mix sulfur and oils like neem or canola. The small amt of coco oil in dr bronners peppermint soap I always use has never caused a problem either.

 

[maxmurder]

How are they going for you? Kev told me his gas leaks are going awesome for him. Can't wait to see what they sort

i have a couple cherryxchem,blue dreamxchem and ogxchems in kiddie pools i wasn't trying to grow huge trees like you guys -gotta keep em below a fence, just looking for some new genetics for indoor this winter.
they're doing great tho i'm sure i'll find something special.
when i got em kevin said he was blowing up the cherrychems all over to find something for the clone nursery.

 

[theJointedOne]

If you read the msds it should tell you whether stuff is able to mix with other products. Not that its always 100% correct but usually the info is correct

 

[slownickel]

I am not positive this is true or not, but would like to know- I have heard that spinosad is not safe to spray on cannabis, and that sc labs was failing cup entries last year for 'microbial' contaminates.....some coming from spinosad. This is just what I was told, dont quote me on it.

Wow, that would be spooky if they started knocking out organic insecticides.

Entrust® SC Naturalyte® Insect Control, listed by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI) for use in organic production, provides the performance organic growers have come to trust, but in a new liquid formulation. Produced through the fermentation of a naturally occurring soil bacterium, spinosad, the active ingredient in Entrust SC, provides control of insects such as worms, thrips and leafminers.

Who is the SC lab that you talked about? That should make a single phone call worth it....

 

[_tessarecting]

Sc labs are a big name in the biz but everyone knows their number$ can be augmented. Yeah I said it.

Also look at Oakland dispensaries denying anything with BT found. Why you ask? To protect the indoor market that built Oakland. Theres no other logical reason.

 

[caterpillar710]

I spray my stuff all the time with AEA stuff and have used spinosad and BT before and I always pass microbial at sc labs

 

[Avenger]

I don't know about passing the microbial sceening at SC labs, but I do know that Spinosad is not allowed for use on cannabis at this time by the states Colorado, Oregon and I believe Washington. Not certain on California, Michigan and other states.


Take that for what it is worth.

 

[slownickel]

I don't know about passing the microbial sceening at SC labs, but I do know that Spinosad is not allowed for use on cannabis at this time by the states Colorado, Oregon and I believe Washington. Not certain on California, Michigan and other states.

Is this because it is not labelled? Give it up, more info please.

Who is the CDA?

 

[Avenger]

yes, it is mostly label language semantics, or lawyer speak if you will. the underlined text in my previous post is a link to more info from the state of colorado.

I assume that once the label language is finessed, that Spinosad products will be approved for use on cannabis. As there is currently a spinosad product labeled for use on tobacco and another that is labeled for use on most any food crop.

 

[jidoka]

In CO it is label wording. One can petition for approval. It is a fucked system that allows round up on food but no spinosad on cannabis

 

[slownickel]

Tori Gillott is an administrative assistant at the state of Colorados' Pesticide Product Registration program.

This means she is telling folk what is REGISTERED FOR USE.

What does that mean? That it says on the label that you can use it for the cannabis.

That does not mean you can't use it, just that it is not registered.

This is the same crap as Global Gap in Europe, major pain in the ass.

I would call the SC lab and ask them if they can even find anything left after the application of spinosad or not.

Usually there is an exemption for the registration of a crop for a specific insecticide if the insecticide is organic.

Avenger, is one of those products on her list a spinosad molecule? I don't know those names and labels.

 

[slownickel]

JIDOKA,

Petition who? I would imagine you would have to go to whomever on the label, Dow, etc.. which in many cases they will do happily if they foresee a good market. Someone has to spend the money on the efficacy tests to demonstrate what kills what and at what stages on cannabis.

I have done it here in Peru for the registration of cipermethrine (sp?).

Can't play the game if you don't follow the rules.

 

[Avenger]

Government knows best.


Conserve SC is a Spinosad A and D formulation, at ~11% by weight.

 

[slownickel]

Avenger,

That Spinosad being a conventional agricultural formulation is what would require it to have to have a usage label.

But I am pretty sure that if a product for food use AND has an organic label, it is exempt.

Any of those other products on that administrative assistants list have an organic label?

This might be the loophole that you all might want to inquire about.

 

[jidoka]

Wettable sulfer is not allowed either

 

[Avenger]

it has nothing to do with an OMRI or other organic approved label. For instance Regalia is on the example list of prohibited pesticides and it has OMRI approval and is permitted by the NOP.

It has to do with them enforcing what the labels instruct the user to do. Any use that does not meet the labels instructions, is prohibited. So since no labels list cannabis as a crop in the label, no EPA registerred pesticide product is allowed for use on cannabis. The only end around move is FIFRA 25b exemption and labels with the vaguest crop recommendations or instructions.

the following quotes are from:
Factual and policy issues related to the use of pesticides on Cannabis

The use of pesticides in Colorado is regulated under the Pesticide Applicators’ Act,
sections 35-10-101 – 128, C.R.S. (PAA). Pesticide regulation is based on the labeling of
the pesticide product, the language of which is enforceable under the PAA. Because
cannabis is not a specifically listed crop on any label currently registered with CDA,
products with broad label statements that do not prohibit use on cannabis are currently the
only ones that may be used legally on cannabis in Colorado.

Both the PAA and the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA)
require that all pesticides be applied in strict accordance with the label directions for the
particular product. As part of the directions for use, pesticide labels specify the particular
crops and/or sites to which they can be applied. Depending on the particular pesticide, the
crops/sites listed on the label can be expressed very specifically (e.g., “wheat”), or more
generally (e.g., “grain crops”). While a pesticide with a label that specifies “wheat” can
only be applied to wheat, a pesticide that lists “grain crops” on the label can be applied to
wheat, barley, oats, rye, etc. In determining which pesticides, if any, may be used legally
on cannabis, CDA initially consulted with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA) as to whether there might be any general crop groups, such as herbs, spices or
vegetable gardens, into which cannabis might fit (note: there are no registered pesticides
that specifically list cannabis as a crop on the label). The current position of EPA is that
cannabis is not an herb, a spice or a vegetable. However, EPA agrees that, depending on
actual label language, it is not a violation of a pesticide label under the PAA or FIFRA to
use the product on cannabis if it has certain, very generally worded descriptions of
crops/sites on the label, and the product’s active ingredient is exempted from the
requirement of a tolerance

 

[EastBayGrower]

Also look at Oakland dispensaries denying anything with BT found. Why you ask? To protect the indoor market that built Oakland. Theres no other logical reason.

I said the same thing last year! too true, glad others are wising up...

 

[FoothillFarming]

I spray my stuff all the time with AEA stuff and have used spinosad and BT before and I always pass microbial at sc labs

Never at the same time, but last year I sprayed both spinosad, BT and AEA up to the day of harvest pretty much and tested negative at two different labs. This includes Harborside in Oakland and the lab they use. I sprayed pretty heavy, due to a russet outbreak.

Unless they have changed the testing procedures, I don't think these product will show up in testing.

 

[caterpillar710]

People who fail microbial wanna blame something instead of look at the processing and handling line and accepting that they don't actually have a clean grow and figure out what they need to do to have one