2016 Outdoor Garden of Eden

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Auto supply store I bet would have it

 

[orechron]

Ideally you'd be injecting downstream of the tank. Avenger did the math already, I would go with n-pHuric because you're also getting a dose of N with it. I've used it before to treat water that was worse than yours and it was partly responsible for the best year I recorded outdoors.

CPS will carry it or there might be a JR Simplot or other ag product distributor in your area. I would make this a priority.

 

[FoothillFarming]

That did come up, at auto stores. But I was like......no. I don't want to mess up and put brake fluid. lol.

I hate to ask, but is this organic? I do have a certification to worry about.

 

[FoothillFarming]

according to AlkCalc it should take about 0.64 mL of ~35% sulfuric acid(battery electrolyte) per gallon to drop your water to 6.2pH (167ppm HCO3) or 1.2 mL per gallon to drop it to 5.8pH (88ppm HCO3). This adds 25 ppm Sulfur or 45 ppm sulfur respectively.

If you used N-Phuric 15/49 it would take 0.4 mL per gallon to get to 6.4pH and 0.75 mL to get to 5.8pH. This adds the same ppm of sulfur but also adds 23 ppm NH4 or 45 ppm NH4 for the respective target pH(6.2 and 5.8)

I think your water looks pretty good, I doubt the sodium level will cause you any concern.

I did read this, but don't fully understand what would be ideal for my situation. I would think .75ml because my ph is high?

 

[caterpillar710]

That did come up, at auto stores. But I was like......no. I don't want to mess up and put brake fluid. lol.

I hate to ask, but is this organic? I do have a certification to worry about.

Get some confidence about yourself , huge difference between brake fluid and battery acid

He gave you the amounts to get to 5.8 or 6.4 it's up to you to choose which one, you'll probably start to notice your soil pH isn't rising any more once you tie up those bicarbonates and calcium stops getting leeched from your soil

 

[caterpillar710]

USDA NAtional Organic Program allows sulfuric phosphoric and citric acids

 

[orechron]

At minimum wear gloves when handling the phosphoric or sulfuric acids if you go that route.

 

[caterpillar710]

Orech- u don't like spilling strong acids on yourself ? Don't lie

 

[Avenger]

I hate to ask, but is this organic? I do have a certification to worry about.

i do not believe sulfuric acid is allowed by the NOP, sulfurous acid produced on farm by burning elemental sulfur is allowed. I could be wrong, but that is the way i understand it.

 

[FoothillFarming]

So if I am understanding this correctly.......

I would add the recommended amount per gallon to a full reservoir. Once that water is half used, then filled again with untreated well water, the way I would dial in the correct amount of sulfuric acid would be by checking the ph of the water? If the ph is still high, then add more right?

I would keep track of the water usage as best I can to get a rough idea where I would be starting from. However, PH is what indicates how much acid I should be using?

 

[jidoka]

That did come up, at auto stores. But I was like......no. I don't want to mess up and put brake fluid. lol.

I hate to ask, but is this organic? I do have a certification to worry about.

How did you get a schedule 1 crop certified? A state thing? Pretty awesome to have that certification

 

[Avenger]

yeah, you could do it that way. That would be how I would do it for the short term.

why do you have a 3000 gallon holding tank? does your water use exceed the water supply in the short term? you use it for mixing in fertilizers?

For the long term I would do it something like i have drawn in this picture.

acid

Or you could put the injector after the tank as orechron suggested.

 

[caterpillar710]

How did you get a schedule 1 crop certified? A state thing? Pretty awesome to have that certification

He has clean green which is a third party certification

 

[caterpillar710]

Jeez foothills look at this quality help that just descended down on you from the internet !! Don't ever say you don't have people in your corner again !

 

[FoothillFarming]

How did you get a schedule 1 crop certified? A state thing? Pretty awesome to have that certification

It was a joke


I had already called around, and looked at the different products the stores had to offer. Looked up the products on the internet and found zero matches.

yeah, you could do it that way. That would be how I would do it for the short term.

why do you have a 3000 gallon holding tank? does your water use exceed the water supply in the short term? you use it for mixing in fertilizers?

For the long term I would do it something like i have drawn in this picture.

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Or you could put the injector after the tank as orechron suggested.

Great advice. I can do everything you stated.

My 3000 gallon tank is to take the strain off my well pump. I have my watering times staggered so I don't pump everything all at once. 30 min off, hour off type of thing.

When I fertilize, I have my 3000 gallon holding tank pump to water fixtures across the property. Then I have various 250 gal totes that I fertilize out of. Maybe I should just be dosing that, even if I don't fertilize fill those up?

Jeez foothills look at this quality help that just descended down on you from the internet !! Don't ever say you don't have people in your corner again !

Bro, when you're right you're right.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Sorry for the delay between posts, distributing 250 gallons of water at a time today.

Thanks for all the help everybody.

 

[Avenger]

for an OMRI approved alternative to sulfuric acid you might consider BorrePlex OA.

 

[FoothillFarming]

I gotta bunch of watering to do, but I am going to do exactly what Avenger took the time to draw up, with the exact products he took the time to list. Thank you very much, I will report back later.

 

[plantingplants]

It says sulfuric acid right on it so you'll know you're not buying brake fluid lol

I'm glad this got brought up. My pH is high probably due to bicarbs, my soil pH climbed to 7, and I have battery acid sitting next to my pool. I'm going to start pHing.

Thanks for all the knowledge everyone.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Got my acid ordered, should arrive Tue for pickup. Called Dosatron, and the model Avenger posted up might be for a different chemical. Somebody will get back to me today, before fed ex closes hopefully. When they do I will expedite shipping on that. Thanks for all the help guys.

In the mean time, I should have another 6 samples from Spectrum to post up if they get the results to me today. They received the package today, so I am guessing Monday I will get the results. Hoping today.