2016 Outdoor Garden of Eden

[FoothillFarming]

It's insulting to the people who take time to post to help you when you say you don't have other growers to consult with because that's exactly what this forum provides you the opportunity to do. Don't be such a defeatist or pessimist... It's like with the soil tests. Don't be your worst enemy.

Look up dramm fogg-it if you want to turn your wand in to a fogger

I spray rejuvenate through a diaphragm pump all the time works great I just flush with clean water.

Did you try TSP to clean the pump and motor? That's really good to clean up organic messes

Well hard work is relative. One or two even three passes with a 4 gal backpack sprayer isn't bad because you can fill up 3 5 gal buckets mix them all at once and keep them bubbling, or not even bubble it and just stir it really well and pour...

But we are up to 120-140 gallons to spray everything right now so literally 30 rounds with a backpack sprayer at 32lbs of water weight plus the backpack sprayer weight... OSHA says NO WAY! And that's a major concern if licensing is in your future

You know your right, I underestimate the help I receive online. Does make me sound like a bitch.

Licensing is my future, or at least I hope. My crop is pretty large these days, nothing like yours it sounds. I really need help streamlining the processes, and becoming more professional. I have made great progress over the last 3 years here in the hills. However, guys like you are growing at an exponential rate. I need to turn it up a notch or ten. Commercial ag land in my near future, just need to know what to do with it now. (obviously I am not clueless, but have a long way to go)

How do you deliver your water? UTV? Truck? Drone, lol?

 

[caterpillar710]

You know your right, I underestimate the help I receive online. Does make me sound like a bitch. you said it not me!! I don't know about like a bitch but definitely makes it seem like you don't appreciate it but the first step is seeing another perspective and if you're willing to then that's some progress and that's all a guy can ask for

Licensing is my future, or at least I hope. My crop is pretty large these days, nothing like yours it sounds.

Large is relative. Are you on track to produce at least a half ton? That's what I would start considering large

I really need help streamlining the processes, and becoming more professional. I have made great progress over the last 3 years here in the hills. However, guys like you are growing at an exponential rate. I need to turn it up a notch or ten. Commercial ag land in my near future, just need to know what to do with it now. (obviously I am not clueless, but have a long way to go) well luckily that's why there are top of the class agronomists and field managers consulting in the Ag world ... People need help even pros

How do you deliver your water? UTV? Truck? Drone, lol?

I can't wait to have a drone with GPS way points foliar feeding my green houses but for now we just have a orchard spray cart you can check them out at sprayerdepot dot com we just made a home made version

Always have fun in the garden

 

[LostTribe]

Any visible trichomes yet on the c99?

 

[FoothillFarming]

@Caterpillar710

For sure not large. I was hoping for a quarter ton at best, but by the looks of things, I squandered that.

Any visible trichomes yet on the c99?

Not really, just starting. For being a quick flower, she sure is taking her time. I took some half booty pictures yesterday. Been short on time, I will try to post up here in my internet is cooperating today.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Here are my soil results with the N's inserted. My N is low to very low. So I will foliar in that as well for a couple weeks. Also doing a soil drench or two with powdered fish protein.

 

[jidoka]

You could have organic N in there.
.no? Using logan my no3, nh3 is also very low but my organic N is good

 

[FoothillFarming]

I didn't take that great of pictures, and in the middle of the day so lot of pics were bleached out.

Cindy2

Cindy3

Cindy4

Silver Mountain (ssh cross)

Sour Banana Sherbet

 

[FoothillFarming]

Snow wookie up front, Helen Back on the right.

Took this a little off center, didn't want the name on the ladder showing. That is a 6' ladder, next to my AOG in a 800 gallon pot.

AOG 1000 gallon

I know the thread has slowed down, but thank you everybody for following along. I hope to get some bud shots of my light dep up soon. Some interesting flavors in there.

 

[FoothillFarming]

You could have organic N in there.
.no? Using logan my no3, nh3 is also very low but my organic N is good

Good question. The plants in the 800 or 1000 gallon pots are nice and green. (pics don't really show that, they got bleached) Everything else in 400's or less are having a hard time. I would think the larger pot allows for the organic N to develope. However the smaller pots are root bound as a mother, and possibly choking off N. I have been foliar spraying fish 12-1-1 for a couple weeks now. PPD.

 

[NorCalLurker]

^when the roots start getting super thick in there, they just absorb all the food really quick. give em a nice top feed or 2 they'll kick back and darken up. it also seems like the cover crops start taking up root space in there. schrew's garden seems to be restricting growth in the same way to me. I don't get super scientific with it, or do soil tests, but i have a pretty damn good eye for what plants need by now. throw some psg pellets and bio live on there and guarantee they'll look better. maybe till it in with the cover crop?

 

[caterpillar710]

^when the roots start getting super thick in there, they just absorb all the food really quick. give em a nice top feed or 2 they'll kick back and darken up. it also seems like the cover crops start taking up root space in there. schrew's garden seems to be restricting growth in the same way to me. I don't get super scientific with it, or do soil tests, but i have a pretty damn good eye for what plants need by now. throw some psg pellets and bio live on there and guarantee they'll look better. maybe till it in with the cover crop?

I hate to call it out so bluntly but this is just plain bad advice

 

[NorCalLurker]

ok whats your advice?

 

[NorCalLurker]

i think people over think shit, my plants are way bigger in smaller pots and perfectly dark green. keeping it simple

 

[NorCalLurker]

but i would love to hear some "expert advice"...

 

[caterpillar710]

His issue chemically is too much na and Mg he needs to do something to knock those off the cation sites and replace with Ca , elemental sulfur and gypsum will get him there.

Randomly throwing stuff may work for yu but isn't good to recommend to someone who may be having issues especiallynifnyoundont actually know why you do what you do

 

[NorCalLurker]

they just look a little light green, like when the smaller pots get root bound and suck down all the nitrogen, they need a lil boost. I'm not just throwing random shit on, I know what they like, even if i don't know every scientific function of them. and hey, psg has N, cal, and sulfur so it might be perfect for him. All just suggestions though, he can take it seriously or not. I have much respect for FF and have learned a lot from this thread, but I'm just saying he might be over thinking things a little bit

 

[caterpillar710]

But they aren't in a plant available form and it won't knock off mg and Na fast enough

 

[slownickel]

He needs to add K to dominate that Na. If he doesn't, it won't be pretty.

Gypsum is a no brainer. From what Footsy said, there are so many roots, that he had a hard time taking a soil sample.

A lot of the yellowing is heavy translocation and the plant is pulling nutrition from its' older leaves, cannibalism if you will.

He has nearly no nitrates and barely enough ammonia to maintain growth.

The plants are starving but there is no space to fertilize due to the lack of calcium. Common problem all over the planet. Fertilization without getting calcium up is a disaster. These pages are a testimony to this re-occuring problem.

The result is many growers use an ungodly amount of water to wash their medium/soils.

If it were me? Gypsum and wash through, then feed. Too many folks sitting at the table with little to eat, and what is there is salted down with more Na than K (look at Base distributions above, not ppms).

Caterpillar, when you going to post your soil analysis?

NorCal, you using soil analysis?

 

[jidoka]

Don't you have to recalculate na and k based on aa8.2? The entire cec is overstated by m3

 

[BAKED_BEANZ]

He needs to add K to dominate that Na. If he doesn't, it won't be pretty.

Gypsum is a no brainer. From what Footsy said, there are so many roots, that he had a hard time taking a soil sample.

A lot of the yellowing is heavy translocation and the plant is pulling nutrition from its' older leaves, cannibalism if you will.

He has nearly no nitrates and barely enough ammonia to maintain growth.

The plants are starving but there is no space to fertilize due to the lack of calcium. Common problem all over the planet. Fertilization without getting calcium up is a disaster. These pages are a testimony to this re-occuring problem.

The result is many growers use an ungodly amount of water to wash their medium/soils.

If it were me? Gypsum and wash through, then feed. Too many folks sitting at the table with little to eat, and what is there is salted down with more Na than K (look at Base distributions above, not ppms).

Caterpillar, when you going to post your soil analysis?

NorCal, you using soil analysis?

totally agree with this ,
you need to stay on your game with large plants , they need a lot of available nutrients . another reason why i like smaller plants , they are a lot more forgiving and less demanding . ( well i find )
with all the soil talk round here , i,m actually very surprised to see any deficiency....... theres 20 pages of soil talk . lol

no offence to you either foothill , i,m loving those light deps your pumping out , running through all the strains is very exciting

@slownickel
@caterpiller710
i,d enjoy seeing some of your grows fella,s ...... offering all this advice , your grows must be unreal. we could all learn a lot following a thread of yours . do either of you guys plan to share your grows with us ?( this is not sarcasm either , its genuine interest )