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2015 on the Chernozem - Panama, Zamaldelica, Thai, Nepal Jam, Sweet Tooth, Stardawg
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This year's autumn started bad with lots of rains in September, which affected the earlier flowering plants, but then the weather improved and the sativas had a good time ripening. If the Thai wasn't so sensitive to the few mornings with frosts in the end of October, it would have swelled well in the warm November, but it didn't - no new flowers appeared after the frosts. Still, not bad at all - any amount of pure tropical flowers is great 
Yesterday, the 22nd of November, I harvested the Thai because of coming rains. Here are some photos of the last moments of the plant shined by the last sun rays before the sun sets behind the hills.
Yesterday, the 22nd of November, I harvested the Thai because of coming rains. Here are some photos of the last moments of the plant shined by the last sun rays before the sun sets behind the hills.
Thank you for the nice words, people
Yet another successful harvest, and honestly, I feel grateful that I have been smoking only good sativa weed for the last few years. These tropical strains are really life-enhancing.
Irotas, I cannot be objective about NepalJam's effects as I smoke these longer-flowering sativas from morning till night, and compared to them, it's somewhat fuzzy and stony. I say stony but it doesn't tire or develop tolerance like an indica. Soft smoke with enough potency. When high on it, I have the feeling that there's a thin veil between me and the surrounding world and everything behind the veil is somewhat blurred. I can't focus well on external objects but there's an inner clarity and freshness of the mind. An effect that is very meditating, or sometimes simply happy and relaxed.
Yet another successful harvest, and honestly, I feel grateful that I have been smoking only good sativa weed for the last few years. These tropical strains are really life-enhancing.
Irotas, I cannot be objective about NepalJam's effects as I smoke these longer-flowering sativas from morning till night, and compared to them, it's somewhat fuzzy and stony. I say stony but it doesn't tire or develop tolerance like an indica. Soft smoke with enough potency. When high on it, I have the feeling that there's a thin veil between me and the surrounding world and everything behind the veil is somewhat blurred. I can't focus well on external objects but there's an inner clarity and freshness of the mind. An effect that is very meditating, or sometimes simply happy and relaxed.
and many thanks for that report
disappointing but useful
it's so hard to find that pure sativa feel, was looking over the nepaljam
indoor microgrower, looked like it could be the '1' for me
but feared it was more of a hybrid beast
Awesome thread
Hi there, people!
It's been about 5 months after harvest, so the jars are entering the "nicely-cured" stage. I didn't want to give earlier impressions because I saw that, with cure, I've been changing my mind on a few of the plants, and so didn't want to give reports that will have to correct later.
Panama #4 (left), Panama #5 (center), Stardawg (right)
Stardawg
I'll start with the Stardawg, which is the buds I changed my mind the most.
This pheno is delicious! It's the best indica I've smoked the last 10 years and I understand what the "kush" hype in the US is about. I have smoked quite a few dutch indicas the last years, some of them more powerful than the Stardawg, but I haven't tried such a tasty one combined with such a complex effect (that comes only after cure). The indicas of late are very strong, but bland and boring. This one feels oldschool with a interesting, quite mental and social effect. Together with being happy, pleasant and relaxing. I would say, a top-quality hybrid effect.
I guess if I'd harvested it later, it'd be more of a "knock-out" indica type of effect. But harvested at this stage it's very appealing to a sativa guy like me. I like the effect more than the effect of the "sativa" hybrid SSSDH. It also has a better smoking experience - the SSSDH has unique pungent fresh smell, but the Stardawg has better flavor when smoking.
Smell: Coffee, hash and subtle smell of fuel and rotten blackberries in the background. Breaking a small bud to roll a joint stinks all the apartment, and carrying the joint in my pocket means I cannot enter small rooms with people, heh.
Taste: Thick flavorfull smoke, smooth on the throat but slightly expanding, with this suffocating after-effect of strong weed and hash (aka coated lungs). Great exhale flavor. Remaining taste is fine, though a bit woody compared to the flavor.
Effect: Strong but always comfortable. Relaxing, happy and quite motivating for an indica. Head is full of ideas - definitely not a boring stone. Quite social for its strength. No heavy comedown.
I confess I was surprised that I could like an indica so much - I thought the memories of great coffee-and-hash-smelling indicas were just that - sentimental memories of the first strong bags of weed that I've smoked. It feels very nice to know I have a stash of such dankness after so many years.
The great experience with Stardawg motivated me to try Cannabiogen's Peyote Purple (Bubba Kush descendant) this year. Its description seems similar to what I like in Stardawg.
It's been about 5 months after harvest, so the jars are entering the "nicely-cured" stage. I didn't want to give earlier impressions because I saw that, with cure, I've been changing my mind on a few of the plants, and so didn't want to give reports that will have to correct later.
Panama #4 (left), Panama #5 (center), Stardawg (right)
Stardawg
I'll start with the Stardawg, which is the buds I changed my mind the most.
This pheno is delicious! It's the best indica I've smoked the last 10 years and I understand what the "kush" hype in the US is about. I have smoked quite a few dutch indicas the last years, some of them more powerful than the Stardawg, but I haven't tried such a tasty one combined with such a complex effect (that comes only after cure). The indicas of late are very strong, but bland and boring. This one feels oldschool with a interesting, quite mental and social effect. Together with being happy, pleasant and relaxing. I would say, a top-quality hybrid effect.
I guess if I'd harvested it later, it'd be more of a "knock-out" indica type of effect. But harvested at this stage it's very appealing to a sativa guy like me. I like the effect more than the effect of the "sativa" hybrid SSSDH. It also has a better smoking experience - the SSSDH has unique pungent fresh smell, but the Stardawg has better flavor when smoking.
Smell: Coffee, hash and subtle smell of fuel and rotten blackberries in the background. Breaking a small bud to roll a joint stinks all the apartment, and carrying the joint in my pocket means I cannot enter small rooms with people, heh.
Taste: Thick flavorfull smoke, smooth on the throat but slightly expanding, with this suffocating after-effect of strong weed and hash (aka coated lungs). Great exhale flavor. Remaining taste is fine, though a bit woody compared to the flavor.
Effect: Strong but always comfortable. Relaxing, happy and quite motivating for an indica. Head is full of ideas - definitely not a boring stone. Quite social for its strength. No heavy comedown.
I confess I was surprised that I could like an indica so much - I thought the memories of great coffee-and-hash-smelling indicas were just that - sentimental memories of the first strong bags of weed that I've smoked. It feels very nice to know I have a stash of such dankness after so many years.
The great experience with Stardawg motivated me to try Cannabiogen's Peyote Purple (Bubba Kush descendant) this year. Its description seems similar to what I like in Stardawg.
Panama #5
I've smoked about 10 different Panama phenos and this one is the one I like the most.
There are more energetic and clean green phenos, but this one has a very comfortable high with a special "magical" feeling. It's hard to give a better description of this "magic" - I just feel an awareness of something significant beyond my senses, somehow sparkling in the scene around me. This weed is all about the feeling. It's funny how this special "grail" feature is coupled with a dense relaxed dreamy type of high where you are not very interested in the surroundings. A very rich emotional experience.
Smell: This plant was selected among the more sativa-looking among 37 females mainly because of its gentle-but-complex perfumey aroma. The bouquet is mainly of flowers and lavender. The most mature buds have this turning into a pleasant fuelly smell. The buds of this plant can stand next to the pungent hybrids SSSDH and Stardawg in attractiveness of the smell, not that they can stink a whole apartment as easily.
Taste: As smooth smoke as only an American sativa can get. Smoke is so smooth and non-expanding that it feels as if you are inhaling just slightly-warm air. Exhale is flavorful, though a bit woody (normal for a sativa). Sweet and creamy hazy aftertaste.
Effect: Relaxed and dreamy. Very comfortable. Though dense, it doesn't feel heavy at all, actually you feel fresh and energetic as if you are running joyfully in some grasslands under the sunshine, and then you realize you are just dreaming on the sofa. But internally, it feels very fresh, sparkling and emotional.
Panama is a strain that is hard to define as a "sativa" or "indica" in effect. In some aspects (relaxation, denseness) it feels more indica than the Stardawg, but in the same time it is so easy on the body and without a comedown that you wonder how is this possible.
I've smoked about 10 different Panama phenos and this one is the one I like the most.
There are more energetic and clean green phenos, but this one has a very comfortable high with a special "magical" feeling. It's hard to give a better description of this "magic" - I just feel an awareness of something significant beyond my senses, somehow sparkling in the scene around me. This weed is all about the feeling. It's funny how this special "grail" feature is coupled with a dense relaxed dreamy type of high where you are not very interested in the surroundings. A very rich emotional experience.
Smell: This plant was selected among the more sativa-looking among 37 females mainly because of its gentle-but-complex perfumey aroma. The bouquet is mainly of flowers and lavender. The most mature buds have this turning into a pleasant fuelly smell. The buds of this plant can stand next to the pungent hybrids SSSDH and Stardawg in attractiveness of the smell, not that they can stink a whole apartment as easily.
Taste: As smooth smoke as only an American sativa can get. Smoke is so smooth and non-expanding that it feels as if you are inhaling just slightly-warm air. Exhale is flavorful, though a bit woody (normal for a sativa). Sweet and creamy hazy aftertaste.
Effect: Relaxed and dreamy. Very comfortable. Though dense, it doesn't feel heavy at all, actually you feel fresh and energetic as if you are running joyfully in some grasslands under the sunshine, and then you realize you are just dreaming on the sofa. But internally, it feels very fresh, sparkling and emotional.
Panama is a strain that is hard to define as a "sativa" or "indica" in effect. In some aspects (relaxation, denseness) it feels more indica than the Stardawg, but in the same time it is so easy on the body and without a comedown that you wonder how is this possible.
Yoss33,
Great smoke reports. I love the meticulous and thorough flow of your grow threads, not to mention the photography.
Thanks for confirming your opinion of the worthiness of some of the Kush related strains. Without intending to, I have come to have collected a significant number of these strains as tools to breed more northern latitude commercial varieties, Headband; Blue Dream, Tahoe OG, etc..
Looking forward to the next thread. Do you have starts going? Please post a link on this thread.
Best,
ThaiBliss
Great smoke reports. I love the meticulous and thorough flow of your grow threads, not to mention the photography.
Thanks for confirming your opinion of the worthiness of some of the Kush related strains. Without intending to, I have come to have collected a significant number of these strains as tools to breed more northern latitude commercial varieties, Headband; Blue Dream, Tahoe OG, etc..
Looking forward to the next thread. Do you have starts going? Please post a link on this thread.
Best,
ThaiBliss
Panama #4
I first tried this plant when my friend harvested the mother of my clone. Grown indoors under LEDs, its effect was clean and happy, of medium potency, straight from the start.
When I harvested my clone grown outdoors, at first it had a very heavy muddy high which cured to a weak and peaceful high after 2-3 weeks. With the months going on, this weak and unimpressive high developed into a stronger, very clear and tranquil high. It's not relaxing as Panama #5, it's neutral physically. But it calms the thoughts process almost as much as an opiate. You stay fresh, everything's clear and focused, but your head feels empty and tranquil. Very faint thoughts in the background.
This tranquil effect is very potent - when smoking a mix of 30% Panama #4 and 70% Zamaldelica, the 30%s are enough to tame and almost eliminate Zamaldelica's strong speedy psychoactivity. There must be a cannabinoid (CBD?) involved that blocks the psychoactive effect of THC.
Smell: Weak herbal, grassy and strawberries. Not impressive, and too grassy.
Taste: Smooth and non-expanding smoke as every Panama, maybe not as smooth as Panama #5. Strong but kind of rude woody flavor upon exhale. Nice, but again not "refined" woody, sour and sweet taste.
High: Energetic, alert, fresh, pleasant feelings in the body combined with mental tranquility and calm dreamy thoughts in the background. Tranquility is the most distinctive effect in the mix - it's not stupefying or dense/dirty, just very peaceful and empty, opiate-like. There is some tingling sensation that I'm not quite pleased with something - I have this feeling with CBD-rich strains. The effect becomes nicer (more pleasant yet more sharp) when more is smoked at once, or when smoking more throughout the day - then the effect builds up and in the evening will be quite psychedelic.
I hope with more curing the effect will become better, considering how it improved for 5 months.
I first tried this plant when my friend harvested the mother of my clone. Grown indoors under LEDs, its effect was clean and happy, of medium potency, straight from the start.
When I harvested my clone grown outdoors, at first it had a very heavy muddy high which cured to a weak and peaceful high after 2-3 weeks. With the months going on, this weak and unimpressive high developed into a stronger, very clear and tranquil high. It's not relaxing as Panama #5, it's neutral physically. But it calms the thoughts process almost as much as an opiate. You stay fresh, everything's clear and focused, but your head feels empty and tranquil. Very faint thoughts in the background.
This tranquil effect is very potent - when smoking a mix of 30% Panama #4 and 70% Zamaldelica, the 30%s are enough to tame and almost eliminate Zamaldelica's strong speedy psychoactivity. There must be a cannabinoid (CBD?) involved that blocks the psychoactive effect of THC.
Smell: Weak herbal, grassy and strawberries. Not impressive, and too grassy.
Taste: Smooth and non-expanding smoke as every Panama, maybe not as smooth as Panama #5. Strong but kind of rude woody flavor upon exhale. Nice, but again not "refined" woody, sour and sweet taste.
High: Energetic, alert, fresh, pleasant feelings in the body combined with mental tranquility and calm dreamy thoughts in the background. Tranquility is the most distinctive effect in the mix - it's not stupefying or dense/dirty, just very peaceful and empty, opiate-like. There is some tingling sensation that I'm not quite pleased with something - I have this feeling with CBD-rich strains. The effect becomes nicer (more pleasant yet more sharp) when more is smoked at once, or when smoking more throughout the day - then the effect builds up and in the evening will be quite psychedelic.
I hope with more curing the effect will become better, considering how it improved for 5 months.
Thanks, man! I have this season's seeds just sprouted, it's Jarilla de Sinaloa, Guatemala and Peyote Purple
I'll start a thread in a week or 2 and post a link.
Sweet Tooth #3
Good weed with attractive looks, chunky and frosty. Pleasant all-around high, not very psychoactive. You can smoke lots of it without fear of being overwhelmed or wasted. After-taste is truely sweet.
Smell: Pine resin and some sweet fruit. Classic smell, but not very pungent.
Taste: Semi-dense and smooth smoke. Not really impressing until 30 seconds after you exhale. It somehow takes time for the truly sweet taste to build up (or convert from inactive to active sweet state) but when it does, it'll be as sweet as weed can taste.
High: Pleasant social all-around high of medium potency. Not tiring. Good for the day, as well as the evening.
Good weed with attractive looks, chunky and frosty. Pleasant all-around high, not very psychoactive. You can smoke lots of it without fear of being overwhelmed or wasted. After-taste is truely sweet.
Smell: Pine resin and some sweet fruit. Classic smell, but not very pungent.
Taste: Semi-dense and smooth smoke. Not really impressing until 30 seconds after you exhale. It somehow takes time for the truly sweet taste to build up (or convert from inactive to active sweet state) but when it does, it'll be as sweet as weed can taste.
High: Pleasant social all-around high of medium potency. Not tiring. Good for the day, as well as the evening.
Zamaldelica
I like the clean focused power of my pheno. It's a very good daily high that can be as strong as I like it without wasting me. It not only does not "waste" me, but after a whole day of smoking Zamaldelica, in the evening I feel I'm overstimulated and I have to smoke some indica to relax and be able to go to sleep. On the other hand, I sometimes like to smoke a little right before going to bed and it causes very vivid dreams in the last hour of sleep in the morning.
I like to mix Zamaldelica with something more relaxing for a more rounded effect. I mix with Panama for a Haze-hybrid kind of high (that is still more clear than any Haze hybrid), or with Stardawg for a powerful and dense stone that is still warm and pleasant.
Smell: Green (grassy) sharp smell + sweet and pleasant kitchen herbs in the background. The more mature buds have the sharp element diminished (to none).
Taste: Usual sativa woody but sweet flavor. If more is smoked, the mouth gets coated with tasty chocolate film.
High: Clear, speedy and mental. Can get as powerful as needed. When more is smoked, it gets pleasantly rushy. How emotional and positive the effect is depends on the current condition of the smoker. When I'm tired mentally, the effect is more heavy. When I'm tired physically, the effect is pleasant as I feel the buzzing energy flowing and refreshing my body. Best consumed when in good mood and full of energy - then it's a great euphoric rush.
I harvested relatively early (on the 20th of October or so), and yet the top (i.e. the most mature) buds, like the pictured above, have lost the sharp speediness, the fire that is the character of this strain. They are more mellow, not intense, and I smoke larger quanitities of them (i.e. they feel weaker). Their smell is softer, not as "sharp" as with the best buds.
Here's more details of the above bud, it definitely doesn't look "too mature", but the peak in effect is passed:
And here's another bud that is something like 5-10 days behind in maturation, that smells "sharp" and is pure fire in effect:
All photos are of 6-months cured buds, as fresh they looked, well, fresher...
I like the clean focused power of my pheno. It's a very good daily high that can be as strong as I like it without wasting me. It not only does not "waste" me, but after a whole day of smoking Zamaldelica, in the evening I feel I'm overstimulated and I have to smoke some indica to relax and be able to go to sleep. On the other hand, I sometimes like to smoke a little right before going to bed and it causes very vivid dreams in the last hour of sleep in the morning.
I like to mix Zamaldelica with something more relaxing for a more rounded effect. I mix with Panama for a Haze-hybrid kind of high (that is still more clear than any Haze hybrid), or with Stardawg for a powerful and dense stone that is still warm and pleasant.
Smell: Green (grassy) sharp smell + sweet and pleasant kitchen herbs in the background. The more mature buds have the sharp element diminished (to none).
Taste: Usual sativa woody but sweet flavor. If more is smoked, the mouth gets coated with tasty chocolate film.
High: Clear, speedy and mental. Can get as powerful as needed. When more is smoked, it gets pleasantly rushy. How emotional and positive the effect is depends on the current condition of the smoker. When I'm tired mentally, the effect is more heavy. When I'm tired physically, the effect is pleasant as I feel the buzzing energy flowing and refreshing my body. Best consumed when in good mood and full of energy - then it's a great euphoric rush.
I harvested relatively early (on the 20th of October or so), and yet the top (i.e. the most mature) buds, like the pictured above, have lost the sharp speediness, the fire that is the character of this strain. They are more mellow, not intense, and I smoke larger quanitities of them (i.e. they feel weaker). Their smell is softer, not as "sharp" as with the best buds.
Here's more details of the above bud, it definitely doesn't look "too mature", but the peak in effect is passed:
And here's another bud that is something like 5-10 days behind in maturation, that smells "sharp" and is pure fire in effect:
All photos are of 6-months cured buds, as fresh they looked, well, fresher...
For those interested, you are welcome to join my 2016 grow at https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=325494!
Nice review, yoss!
I didn't like the Malawi effect in the Guawi or Golden Tiger, but you have me reconsidering!
I'll be over for a visit in the new thread!
I didn't like the Malawi effect in the Guawi or Golden Tiger, but you have me reconsidering!
I'll be over for a visit in the new thread!
Thanks, man!
I also didn't like the Malawi influence in some Zamaldelica phenos (too "strong" and paralizing), but there are great phenos and the chances of finding one are not too low - I would say at least 1 out of 4 (in the release grown here - the first one).
It's interesting that the Zamal phenos are the quickest to flower, yet are more pure "sativa" in effect than the Malawi phenos (big fat leaves). So, instead of looking for the longest flowering Thai phenos (big thin leaves) to get a quality sativa effect, better look for the small thin leaves that are the first to show preflowers and preflower steadily. At least, that's my observation based on 6 female plants.
I also didn't like the Malawi influence in some Zamaldelica phenos (too "strong" and paralizing), but there are great phenos and the chances of finding one are not too low - I would say at least 1 out of 4 (in the release grown here - the first one).
It's interesting that the Zamal phenos are the quickest to flower, yet are more pure "sativa" in effect than the Malawi phenos (big fat leaves). So, instead of looking for the longest flowering Thai phenos (big thin leaves) to get a quality sativa effect, better look for the small thin leaves that are the first to show preflowers and preflower steadily. At least, that's my observation based on 6 female plants.
