150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[Bulénath]

Well, I got desperate and harvested early....

The Black Cabinets' plants are still budding strong though, and I think this winter harvest right after New Years will be amazing.

Wanted to take pics of my second Scrog harvest, but my batteries were dead and I couldn't wait to chop

Seems like my Tropical Rainbow strain gets better with age...
It is maturing genetically so each clone seems better than the last!

Anyway, I have about 20 clones that have been waiting for 2 months! Their roots are waaaaay to big to be in nothing but wet perlite, but over all, they are doing great! 100% rooting success with the Tiki Torch Wick Cloner, but it took almost a month for all of them to root. So another month went by and they are thriving withing no nutrients! Tomorow I will transplant the clones, flower an old vegging plant, make an old vegging plant a new mother, and lots of dirty work....

Happy Holidays!

 

[RediJedi]

Hello I.C.er's,

Got my 150 vapor tight hooked up to a 16 gauge power cord and it is all good. Now, I have four little Orient Express plants under it and they vegged for about two weeks. I induced flowering (changed to 12/12) yesterday and I was wondering if I could still scrog them. If so, where do I get the netting and what size? Also, is it hard to setup for the ladies?

 

[vintner]

Well, I'm sure you'll run into lots of opinions, but it's not hard at all if your gals aren't too tall (6-9 inches). Depending on your set up, it's easiest to install a screen above each plant indevidually. Just get 4 poles (plastic hangers, wooden dowels...) and jam them down into your soil, or duct tape them to the outsides of your pots. IMHO wire poltry netting is the optimum size for a scrog grow. Cut it to the proper size, dish it a bit, and use plastic twist ties to attach it to your poles about 5-6 inches above the soil, but you can make a screen out of anything. String, plastic, metal wire... Hope this helps.

 

[RediJedi]

Thank you, Vintner. It looks like I will go for the wire poultry netting and use my imagination on how to set up. Take it easy.

 

[catman]

You can still setup the screen of course RediJedi, but it all depends on your genetics. If it's going to be effective your plants have to grow into, but there should be some stretch that happens during flowering to fill the screen in. If you have enough vertical height to play with you'll be golden =] Put up some pics when you get it all setup! Best of luck

 

[Bulénath]

Modular scroggs are easy.

Get some copper wiring that is bendable, yet strong. Home De Pot will cut'em for ya before selling it.

For each of the four legs, drill two holes into your pot, and weave the leg through both holes, so it stays put. You can use some ductape too.

For the screen, I just use regular string...
Buy a ball of the stuff. It is not yarn, but regular really thin rope.






Your future problem lay in the fact that, you flowered early into veg (two weeks) and you didn't veg under the HPS to let the screen fill out.

That's the problem with scroging early.

However, remeber that your window to a beautiful healthy plant is NOW...
Your first two weeks of flower is the window. Hit her hard with the Veg formula (Nitrogen dominant) (but don't O.D. her) to support the strech.

Either way, scrog or LST or nothing, you'll get a feel for your strain. Don't forget to clone before it is too late.

Aloha.

Redijedi, you on EDIT?

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

Hey redi jedi, I too added a screen when I flipped to 12/12. I made mine all from things found around the apartment. Here it is when I first set it up:



Eight days later:


I made a rectangular frame out of metal coat hangers and attacked it to four more metal coat hangers jammed into the soil. The net is made from individual strands of 24 gauge speaker wire woven into 2" squares and everything is held together by duck tape.

After it was all assembled and ready to "insert", I placed it over the girl and pushed the legs into the soil deep enough for the net to flatten the canopy. It's now in full stretch mode and doing fine and I'm sure yours will too.

Also, blunenath, how long can you wait from flipping to 12/12 to take cuttings? I took cuttings after I think two weeks and the rooted clones showed all symptems of a "revegged" female.

 

[jasonk]

I made a rectangular frame out of metal coat hangers and attacked it to four more metal coat hangers jammed into the soil.

Haha, sorry Cozy. I laughed a bit at your typo.

I have a small white Veg cabinet, and a white flower cabinet that has a roughly 2.5 square foot flower chamber.

Which one(s) would you like dimensions on? The more specific the better I can answer your question.

The small white one please. Im heading out shopping for a panasonic whisper soon, I think I saw them at Home Depot up here in Canada. Whats the cfm rating of the one you use?

Merry Christmas everyone, hopefully buying myself some early xmas presents. Trying to get the veg cab running in January.

Be safe!

 

[Pipedream]

Cozy, you can take cuts at virtually any stage of growth, and in an emergency, even after harvest. However as you so aptly noticed, after just a week or two of 12/12 they will act like a re-vegged plant. At that point they are programmed to produce flowers, and their biological clock needs to be reset to the vegging state before they will start to root. This often adds a good week or two on to the rooting process.

Often the first new couple sets of leaves will be deformed. However, I've never had a plant that didn't straighten itself out after vegging for a while. Here's a strange gal that was started from a cutting that I took 2 months into flower. That was when I realized that my remaining seeds from this strain were no longer viable and I had to save the genetics. Even she turned out fine.

If you look closely you can see the remnants of a small bud in the center and old nitro-poor foilage on the bottom. All of the strange leaves grew from the bud site, and you can see the new and proper growing tip coming off the top. If I remember, this shot was taken a full month or more after I took the cutting.

 

[RediJedi]

Hey, thanks guys for the scrog tips. Did not realize how much room there was for improvisation. So, two inch squares are the way to go. I will remember that. I embarrassingly do not have a camera, but I will most likely at least get a cheapo for x-mas. The plants are worth viewing. I have grown before and with success in terms of keeping them healthy. But I want to begin optimizing, i.e., getting bigger yields. So, that's why I ask about scrogging. Oh, and Bulenath, if I am on EDIT then I have no idea because I do not know what that is. If it pertains to taking photos then I dunno because I never tried submitting one. I cannot wait to begin trying to submit some! Thanks all.

 

[OahuGrown]

Bluenath i found a place that sells hps over here. Its Dial Electric in town by the prison. they also sell the panasonic whisper fans.

How do you connect a fan like this:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102825

 

[Pipedream]

Just connect a standard 120vac cord and plug it in to an outlet or strip. They draw very little current so you can just pick up an extension cord at the Dollar Store and cut the receptical end off it and use the remaining piece.

 

[Bulénath]

Cozy,
I have also taken clones 2 weeks into flower with no bad results, but they do need to re-veg a little. I just figgure it is best to take them within 14 days of flower, but even beter to take them during Veg. But, clones do better with that lush green growth and green stems you get within the first few days of flower, not ones with bark, or calused. I am still experiementing with vegging under the HPS for a week, then taking clones and flowering on the same day. I fucked up with the experiment duringthis grow, in my white-flower cabinet's second scrog...
I misread the calender and instead of hitting her with Nitrogen rich PBP Veg formula for the first two weeks, she only got like 2 doses of N at best. This caused my plant to take waaay longer to ripen than normal.

PipeDream has it right on the money about the clones too.

JasonK,
Give me until lights on to measure, but I got lots of work and I am kinda sick, but will get back to you asap with the dimensions. Anyway, I use a dicontinued model 70cfm Panasonic whisper fan. I removed it from the black box casing, and hooked it up directly to a rectangular vent. Almost any of the alike models can be reomoved form its casing. But I would not recomend doing that, and if I could start over I would do things differently.
Such as, add more height to the attic so I could keep the Panasonic fan in its black box casing and add a carbon scubber to it with minimal carbon to keep the fan's internal components clean forever (not to kill smell). Also, it would make it light proof that way, unlike the way I have it hooked up, and vented out the back, not the top.
Here is the fan removed form its black metal casing...









Oahugrown,
Thanks for the heads up on that source. I will look into it!
Oh and what pipedream said too...! But that is one of the only AC current fans I have ever seen. Most PC fans are DC current and they need an AC/DC adapter rated for the same voltage and equal or higher amps.




RediJedi,
Two inch squares are okay to use, that is about the size squares I been using and it works just fine.

 

[TraneRek]

Yo Bulénath,

You said if you could do it all over again you'd make your attic taller.. I know you said you don't know the exact height right now, but approximately how tall do you think you'd make it? Also, what did you make those ventilation holes w/? Thanks.

-Rek


EDIT: Also, anyone know much about Liquid Karma? Since I'm going to use GH Flora nutrients (chemical), I heard Liquid Karma helps w/ the whole chelating thing.. I'm already going to use Black Strap, and am unsure if LK is needed. Thanks again all.

 

[OahuGrown]

Thanks Bluenath and Pipedream.
When i went there to ask about Hps lights they guy helping me said if i was growing trees. I didnt know what to say so i had to make a story that i was getting light for a parking lot and so on. Idk if i want to go back.

 

[vintner]

Merry Christmas 150w HPS Club!

 

[Bulénath]

JasonK & TraneRek,

The Smal white cabinets flower chamber is roughly 14" x 14" and 12" tall.


It has a four-way light bulb holder that I mounted to the flower chamber's cealing. Though I only use three bulbs tops, which all happen to be 19w and 6500K each. The four-way light bulb holder cost about two bucks at Wal-Mart years back.
For some reason the manufactured holes were drilled a little off, so the lights are not perfectly level. Though the CFL's rest about 7-8" from the floor, and any plant can get about 0.5" away without fear of light burn.

Right now I am only using 2 x 19w CFLs, for 8 clones in 4-5" pots each, and a large mother about 8 weeks from clone. Seems even that much light is addequate. But if I was starting from seed, I would use three 19watters. That would be to promote a more optimal enviroment and increase the chances of them going female. As for established female clones, they can take a little more abuse!

If you keep each seedling about 1" or less from these 19w bulbs, from about, let's say day 3 veg, the inter-nodes will be extremely tight and compact.
I'd say 0.3 inches per internode! The fan leaves basically rest directly on eachother. Sometimes I keep them a little further away, more like 1-2" away to promote a little streching, if it suits my needs.
















So the attic is about 10" tall. But I would have made the entire attic about 12" tall and 15" x 15", so it could easily house the Panasonic whisper fan with a carbon scrubber. The thing is, you need would need to lift the fan up about 1" so it doesn't block the cealings intake holes, while simutaneously allowing room for your Surge Protecter, wires, etc.

Oh and that is a 70CFM model they no longer make. You can do the same thing, that is removing the fan from its metal casing with the current 80cfm models if you like. But like I said earlier, it would cause the fan to get dusty and it would not make your exhaust light proof.
Though I guess the 10CFm difference between my old model and the current model would make up for the small increase in Cubic feet, going an inch wider and deeper, and about 2" higher all to fit the Panasonic with Carbon scrubber.








Here are more pix I just found, in my unorganized ICM gallery....

 

[jasonk]

Thanks Bulenath!

I only have about 24" height to work with overall, including the 2-3" for intake underneath. I doubt I'll be able to fit any style whisper fan without losing much height. What I'm planning on using is a 2 drawer night stand, 22" high, 24" wide about 18" deep. It's hard for me to tell with the pictures, but with the housing on the fan, would it be possible to mount it behind and on the outside of the box?

I like what I've heard about how quiet the whisper is. Does anyone know any other options for something in your bedroom while your sleeping quiet that would doesn't need that much height?

 

[Bulénath]

Thanks Bulenath!

I only have about 24" height to work with overall, including the 2-3" for intake underneath. I doubt I'll be able to fit any style whisper fan without losing much height. What I'm planning on using is a 2 drawer night stand, 22" high, 24" wide about 18" deep. It's hard for me to tell with the pictures, but with the housing on the fan, would it be possible to mount it behind and on the outside of the box?

I like what I've heard about how quiet the whisper is. Does anyone know any other options for something in your bedroom while your sleeping quiet that would doesn't need that much height?

I suppose you could mount the Panasonic on the roof, having the fan rest upside-down, and drawing air directly through the roof....

Actually, that would be the correct way! It is a bathroom fan after all. What I am saying is, mount it like a regular bathroom fan in your bathroom's cealing.

All you need to do is cut a very large circle or square, and place the fan over it.

As for attaching any sort of filter to such a design, you gota start thinking upside-down & start working agaisnt gravity...

 

[Bulénath]

So I measured the entire thing. Don't know why it slipped my mind.


The entire cabinet is 28-1/2" tall, that is including the bottom trim and props for the PVC which comprise 5" of the entire hieght.

The 2" PVC needs about 4-1/2 to 5" to clear the ground. 1-1/2" PVC only needs 4".