150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[Pipedream]

OK, so since Junior was just hanging around bobbing his head, I asked him to help us out by checking the Phase Angle and seeing if it really meant anything to us as 150 growers. He said he had "bigger things" on his mind and I should catch up with him later.



Although before he lit up, he did ask me to remind you of this...... How many of us have numerous cheap fluorescent fixtures lighting up our basement and garage? You know, the $10 "shop-light" special from Home DePot or any other store. I've got 7 in my basement/workshop and 3 or 4 in the garage. So that's 20 to 22 40watt tubes and they are all running out of phase. (cheap fluoro's have no cap) Now if you're one of those "Green" folks that ran out and replaced all of your fixtures with electronic ballast ones, those are "in phase". Also, since 90% of us live in a home with single-phase service, and we like to wash our clothes in machines, blow warm air around our homes, and use other hi-load motors, all of them have a second coil or winding thats designed to run out of phase to develope the necessary starting torque.

So I asked Jr what all this means to us with regards to saftey and security. He said "worry about who you talk to, what you say, and where you buy your supplies, not the phase of your fixture"

One Love, PD & Jr

 

[Bulénath]

Okay I put away my crayons and feel like an adult once again, thanks to you Pipedream

I do have a question though, since you are an Electrician.

I was talking to my uncle, who is also an Electrician with a very lucrative buisness, about a quarter of the globe away. We were talking about setting up a 50 amp line to a large wooden box full of outlets, and mounting that to a bedroom wall.

So my uncle says all I have to do, is go outside and check out that little grey box next to the Elecrical meter outside, and tell him what brand it is. Then he is going to build me something that I can hook up myself easily.

But my question is, why would I need another one of those "Little Grey Boxes" ( I think that is the actual brand name?), between my 50 amp line and my large wooden box full of outlets?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

You obviously do not have the spots available, for the wires from a box full of outlets, in your existing electrical service panel.
The box could be looked at as your house. Your house has an electrical panel with the appropriate terminals, breakers, etc... The box also would need a "service lug", which is basically just an additional breaker panel, fed from the house panel.

I have to assume this is what he is offering you. A service lug.
But I would have though he would want to know the brand of the box on the other side of that outside service, which would be your incoming breaker panel. He needs to know what brand of breaker for the initial wires leading out.

 

[OahuGrown]

Is it possible to do a sog in a flood tray without any nutes from beginning of flower to harvest?

Bluenath
I called Kahala Hydro. Its really expensive. Like 300 for a 250 watt system.

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

No nutes for the flower cycle? Yeah it's possible and you could prolly find a good number of strains that will survive the drought, but realistically there is no reason to ever test this except for experimental reasons.

 

[OahuGrown]

Well im planning on doing a micro sog with like 20-30 plants and they will all be in different stages of life when growing. In the last few weeks isnt it recommended that it be no nutes and to be flushed. I wanted a small flood table for easy watering but i wont be able to do it with all different nutes being required.

 

[Bulénath]

Oahugrown,
there is no reason to have that many plants for a single 150.

Even if you have a MMJ card, you can have 3 mature and 4 immature plants, in this state.

Regardless, these lights are for micro grows and if you expand the number of plants, in the eyes of the law you are just condeming yourself to more jail time.

You only need like 4 plants tops per each 150....But the same results can be achieved with only two plants.

As for Hydro without nutes from flower to harvest, forget about it.

Hydro is purely water based and therfor there it need constant nutirents to survive. Hydro is more complicated than soil because you constantly need to check the PH, EC, PPM, and all that every day.

It is really up to you, but for your first gorw, soil will be much easier.

Flower in 1/3 each Perlite/Worm castings/ black golds organic mix....allavailable at Longs.

Veg in 1/3 each vermiculite/perlite/wormcastings. Get the verm at ACE or Star.

Use Pure Blend Pro Veg and Bloom for Veg and Flower.

Simple as that.

The End...

Sorry man im kinda drunk as fuck....

 

[OahuGrown]

ok fine... they were gonna be in water bottles. and only single cola.

I was thinking of using soil in the bottles and flooding the tray a little so the plants could get water.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

If the soil is rich, some strains would be fine with no added nutrients. Probably a land race strain, would be a good choice.

 

[Bulénath]

Yeah but you really need that micro heard of bacteria that only certain organic nutrients provide...like Pure Blend Pro for instance, which is Pure Blend with Liquid Karma basically....

Either way, soil is more care free than hydro, which is a a really great bonus for first time growers....Shit I still wouldn't feel comfertable with hydro...

You live on Oahu, we only getz some red dirt. While native plants (which are only 5% of all vegetative life you see now days in our soverign nation) thrive in red dirt, your ganja won't.

So you need something good enough.


Trust me...Go to Longs. Get perlite and wormcastings and black golds organic soil and just use Pure Blend Pro that you can even buy at Kahala.

It is super simple.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

IF we didn't worry about tasting the chemicals from ferts, we wouldn't have a reason to flush a plant. Thing is, many ferts produce a very chemical taste in the product, especially nitrogen. And depending on the nature of the nutrient, some can taste far worse than others.

I am also a fan of PBPro. And although I do not think it is a real "organic" fet per se....it does a very effective job and does not leave as bad of taste as say Shultz or Miracle Grow type of ferts. I smoked a couple that were not flushed well, that had been using PBPro, and there is not near the detection of chemical as one would expect.

Learning exactly how much to feed to the point of run-off may help you figure out how to do what you want done. Although it may not be as easy as flood and forget.
But, if you are going to be flushing, you are doing more than flood and forget anyway.

 

[vintner]

I got to agree that your plant #s sound a bit high for a 150, even for SOG. Also, it's going to be difficult to run multiple strains at the same time under such a small bulb. But, if you're still set on trying it, you can get away w/out a flush by doing a water cure. Just my

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

Hoosierdaddy, check out my THUNK:



BTW, that's a friend's plant now (pic is his closet). I gave him the plant once I realized there was no way I could fit that in my rubbermaid when my other plants swarmed all available reality.

Can you recommend some quick flowering sativas that are well suited for indoor growing?

ok fine... they were gonna be in water bottles. and only single cola.

I was thinking of using soil in the bottles and flooding the tray a little so the plants could get water.

The light "footprint" for 150s is like 3 - 4 square feet, so anything growing outside this area isn't going to receive enough light. 150s are best when used in a smaller area and as close as possible to the buds. Larger lights have a larger footprint because their intensity decreases with distance at a much slower rate and therefor can fit more plants in the sweet-spot.

So that is why you don't see too many people doing SOGs with these smaller lights.

Also, I highly recommend coco over soil. COCO COCO COCO! You can treat it just like soil, grow in a pot full of coco and hand water, but it's technically a hydro medium and has the growth rate to prove it. Coco is, hands down, the easiest way to grow marijuana. Feed it hydro nutes, I use GH flora at 9 mL/g of bloom and 6 mL/g micro (modified lucas formula), or you spend a little more or coco specific nutes. Check out the coco forum for more info.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Very nice, Cozy!
It sure is tough keeping those hazes in small grows. Clones are much easier and seem to settle in nicely. Seed plants just go friggin nuts sometimes.
I've learned that container size means everything with the most hazy.

I'm currently starting a BG project using WHL Double Gum, and I will be testing SBBX4.
I will also be running some Afghan Kush and AK47. I have enough SSH and Thunk to last me through next summer, and the only sativa hybrid I will run is MOC Carnival, and I will run at least one of those with everything I do for the next few runs. I really enjoy that weed more than any I have had in a long long time.
Pleasing taste, wonderful smell (what dope should smell like), and a very happy high. Party dope w/zero couch. Has a great rush from hard pulls.
Can you tell I like that shit?

 

[Bulénath]

Hoosierdaddy,
I forgot to thank you for answering my question earlier. I appreciate the help



Cozy,
holy fuck look at the size of that sativa! That looks like a Jamacian stativa!

Quick flowering sativas??? Heh, is there such a thing as a "real" sativa that is finishes under 90 days?


Oahugrown,
Remember that organic ferts, (even PBP), do not break down into nutrients teh plant can uptake, without bacteria. The bactertia processes all those nutrients and shit out what the plant eats.

When you use chemicals, it not only kills the bacteria, but instead of giving the soil organic compounds that need to be processed first, it just shoots them straight into thier roots. Kinda like Heroin. And since the bacteria are now dead, they become completely dependant on the chemicals to survive.

That is why U.S. soil is completely screwed after years of industrial agriculture....


Also Pure Blend Pro has things like Humic Acid.

I suggest everyone do a little Wikipeida reading on:

1) Humic Acids.

2) Fulvic Acids.

 

[Rob547]

The light "footprint" for 150s is like 3 - 4 square feet, so anything growing outside this area isn't going to receive enough light. 150s are best when used in a smaller area and as close as possible to the buds. Larger lights have a larger footprint because their intensity decreases with distance at a much slower rate and therefor can fit more plants in the sweet-spot.

Really? I do not have a large flower area with a 150 and I find that it covers much less than that maybe like 2 sq ft. Obviously its hard to actually tell where the area lit is and how big it is, but I'm in an estimated 28"x18"x36" tall area and I would not run it without 2-3 at least 42w CFLs. I've been fighting with coverage area vs intensity cause I've read that you want plants within like 4" to really make the most out of it. this is also my 1st HPS run and am doing 12-13 plants in a SOG setup so I'm not claiming to be a pro by a long shot, but just my 2 cents.

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

Hey all!

Introducing the S&P TD-125:



This thing really surprised me. I wired it up, plugged it in, and I didn't really hear much until all of the papers around me starting flying around haha. The motor is near silent, only the rushing of air sound. S&P calls it a "mixvent", a cross between an axial like a computer fan and an inline like a Dayton, but to me it just seems to be a well build axial fan in an "inline" housing. But whatever its called, its a powerful sucker.

The 125 model is rated for 192/146 cfm and it cost me less than $100. It is 5" wide, but you can see in the pic I had stretch a 4" duct line over it temporarily. It's slightly louder than the oversized computer fan I was using before, but the S&P seems to be moving three times the amount of air and has decreased temps by 5 degrees F.

What's growing under the 150w sun is a reveged Master Kush I opted not to keep as a mother but should suit me well under this screen:



BTW, today is my 21st birthday.

:friends:

Really? I do not have a large flower area with a 150 and I find that it covers much less than that maybe like 2 sq ft. Obviously its hard to actually tell where the area lit is and how big it is, but I'm in an estimated 28"x18"x36" tall area and I would not run it without 2-3 at least 42w CFLs. I've been fighting with coverage area vs intensity cause I've read that you want plants within like 4" to really make the most out of it. this is also my 1st HPS run and am doing 12-13 plants in a SOG setup so I'm not claiming to be a pro by a long shot, but just my 2 cents.

If you're going by the old saying that you should have 50 watts per square foot, then 3 sq ft is ideal for 150s. BUT this is a poor estimation. Due to intensity decreasing at an exponential rate the relation is not going to be linear, and each size light is going to behave very differently. Here is a graph showing the light intensity function (power/(4pi*r^2)) of three different popular HPS sizes. The red is a 150w, the green is 400w, and the blue is 1000w.

This graph though is not reflective of actual lumen output I don't think, but they're probably very similar. The area of the "sweet spot" would be in the distance that isn't too far away but not too close either. You can see that the 150 watt decreases at a much greater rate than the larger lights, and therefor the area of it's sweat spot will be much more limited.

I'm not knocking on these lights, just trying to show that you have to treat them different than larger lights. :friends:

 

[Bulénath]

Cozy,
Happy to hear your report on the S&P TD-125

Did it come all wired up and ready to plug in? Or did you have to wire it yourself? Not that it matters much, but just wondering.

Do you have a bathroom fan or any type of noise you can compare it to? Like a small and very common HEPA filter or something?

It really bothers the fuck outa me that S&P has NO noise rating at all!

 

[vintner]

Cozy Amnesia: Happy Birthday you young pup!

 

[growDaddy]

BTW, today is my 21st birthday.

Happy Birthday!!

today is my birthday