12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow

[Guest]

Here is a Nirvana Swazi I grew 12/12 from seed in a 2 litre pot under a 250w HPS. She took exactly 90 days to harvest and was just over 2 feet tall. Really tasty smoke, spicy, but not that potent, nice for daytime smoking and the taste makes me want to grow this strain again.

 

[Hal]

Thats a beautifulllllll plant ya got there Hempy. Is that a pure sativa? If not, what percentage sativa/indica is she?

 

[chosen]

I tried a Swazi awhile back too. I didn't have a good result indoors. Outdoors it wasn't too bad.

Nice looking plant...
I love seeds by Nirvana. The price on their seeds is amazing....

 

[Guest]

lookin real great Brithish_Empire !

sativa loves 12/12

:smile:

 

[weed_life]

thats a nice 12/12 plant if you did a sog with a fair few of thoose youd have a nice crop at the end.

can anyone of the experts tell me if growing a pure india 12/12 from seed will work i want to grow sensiseeds hindu kush and afghani#1..but im worried they might end up too small.

 

[Hal]

There is a good chance they will end up small, but you don't really know how small until you grow them. One of the reasons for doing this thread was to compile stats on how each strain performs under this light schedule.

The sativa/indica or indica/sativa hybrids are pretty sure to not get too tall or too short, but it is the pure indicas and pure sativas that are more of a question.

There is also the question on your definition of small. What do you consider to be small? I guess one important thing most of us are looking for when we grow a plant is how will the yield be? Does it matter to us if a plant is 15" tall, compared to a plant that is 30" tall, if we harvest the same amount off each plant?

 

[weed_life]

yeah yeild is the main thing id hope they would be at least 15" with at least 15g's of bud...id like to just try it and see but iv invested a fair bit into my new set up and want a nice harvest..i just dont want to end up with some stupidly small likt 5" thing wid 3 grams of bud on it

 

[milkman0923]

anyone have any tips for a good cure????

 

[Hal]

Hey Weed...

Well, to give ya an example, I grew 4 plants, Nirvana's northern lights, which are a hybrid but are known to stay quite compact in a typical grow with a veg cycle. I grew them under about 12 CFL's (23 watts each, 1600 lumens each) for a total of 276 watts. The plants ended up being 12", 16", 17", and 23" in height. Each plant yielded over an ounce of dried bud, even the 12" shorty (her kola was so dense though that it ended up getting mold in it).

The garden I had previous to my current grow was with Nirvana's Bubblelicious. That one didn't turn out as well...the plants got stretchy, and didn't yield nearly as well, but I still got about 2.5 ounces dried total, which averages out to about 14 grams per plant.

I would guess that most indicas would do good with the 12/12 schedule, but not AS GOOD as a hybrid.

 

[Guest]

Here's another of my recent 12/12 from seed plants, this one is NLX. As you can see, the low light penetration of a 250w lamp mans you get very little bud development on the lower sites, but that head bud is lovely dense and frsoty. In future when flowering under a 250w I will keep my plants short and prune into several colas to avoid this problem. Lost the fan leaves in the last 10 days and sligth nute issues due to PK13-14.

 

[milkman0923]

FROM NOW ON ALL POST WILL BE IN CAPS...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, HIT THE IGNORE BUTTON...I AM WEEKS AWAY FROM FLOWERING MY 12/12 BABIES...ANY TIPS ON CURING WOULD BE GREAT. SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, I USE CAPS FOR WORK AND I ALSO HAVE BAD EYES SO ALL POST WILL BE IN CAPS...SMOKE A BOWL AND RELAX....

 

[Hal]

After a 7 day cure on the Fruitbowl that I recently chopped, I did a taste test tonight. I am very very happy!

2 one-hitter bong hits. Smoke was very smooth...and no lung expansion, no coughing. I can't comment on the taste tonight, I didn't bother to clean my bong, and it is kinda on the dirty side.

The buzz is a bit of a creeper, and is definitely felt in the body, but ya get this really interesting tingle in your brain, and even though you feel good and stoned, there is an alert quality to this buzz that isn't expected.

And it will only get better as it continues to cure....

 

[Deft]

FROM NOW ON ALL POST WILL BE IN CAPS...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, HIT THE IGNORE BUTTON...I AM WEEKS AWAY FROM FLOWERING MY 12/12 BABIES...ANY TIPS ON CURING WOULD BE GREAT. SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, I USE CAPS FOR WORK AND I ALSO HAVE BAD EYES SO ALL POST WILL BE IN CAPS...SMOKE A BOWL AND RELAX....

Just turn up the size in your browser, no need to do all caps!

 

[guest123]

12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow




photo: courtesy of Atmosphere


This thread is devoted to an excellent method of growing our favorite plant. “12/12 From Seed” is a proven way to grow pot, and produces yields up to 1 gram of dried bud per 1 watt of electricity consumed (eg: a 400 watt HPS light is able to produce a harvest of 400 grams). It is a very good choice for growers who have a limited amount of space to set up their gardens. The cannabis grown this way is potent, sticky, and yes…stinky. Most pot plants suffer no ill effects from being grown under this light regimen.

Typically, in traditional method, the cannabis cultivator will start their plants with a lighting regimen that provides anywhere from 18 to 24 hours of light a day, called the ‘vegetation’ phase, to make the plant grow as large as possible, increasing the amount of ‘budding sites’ on the plant. Once the plant has grown large, it is forced into flowering by switching the lighting regimen to 12 hours on/12 hours off. This results in plants that produce copious yields, but take up considerable space.

“12/12 From Seed” eliminates the vegetation phase. As soon as the seed sprouts through the surface it is given a light regimen of 12 hours on/12 hours off. Plants grown this way do not grow as tall as they would if given a vegetation phase. The shape of the plants is also different, losing much of their natural ‘bush’ quality. Our plants tend to be shaped like a “pole,” with the main bud formation happening along the main stem of the plant. This allows the grower to fit more plants per square foot/meter. It also makes possible gardens in spaces that growing larger, bush-like plants would be impossible. The shorter height of these plants also works in concert with the limited penetration distance that exists with any/all forms of indoor lighting.

hey hal how are u ....
love some of the grows on the thread ,, looking good , but mind if i just share a few things ive learnt from growing on short days ??
i realise my grows are outdoors ,, and not exactly 12 12 ,,, in fact the shortest day is 11 hrs , the longest 13 ...
i see many folks grow what i call lolly pop buds ,, thats really not necessary k,,, im sure better can be done ,, perhaps choosing the right strain and or making your garden healthier , faster growing .. etc
anyhow heres a few pix ofmy garden ,, pix would be taken around when days are not far over 12 12 ,, perhaps up to 12.5 daylight hours per day ...
maybe the fact my days are slightly increasing makes a difference , but they are only increasing slighty and slowly ...
anyhow heres a couple of pix ,, youll notice they are bushy , and big , and some will yeild a pound of bud ...

 

[Guest]

Hi wally, nice to see ya.

Hal, I love Fruitbowl, been one of my staples for a couple of years, just flowered my mother out. Made a few crosses with her too. Here are some shots of her at 60 days:

As for taste, there are two main phenos, one tastes of pink grapeefruit, the opther is a more berry flavour, both are extremely fruity, delicious, as tasty as anything I have smoked.

 

[Hal]

Garden of Eden...

Garden of Eden...

Hey Wally,

Sweeet, sweeet, sweet, garden you have! Yeah, those bushes would seem to argue against 12/12 from seed giving you plants that form primarily just a main kola. Does that happen with most of the strains that you grow?

In my somewhat limited experience growing in the 12/12 from seed method, most of the strains that I have grown (albeit only 4 so far...) have grown in the "pole" shape, only the Bubblelicious got kinda branchy on me. Most of the plants I have seen on this thread also grow in the "pole" shape.

One of the things that we are hoping to figure out on this thread are which strains actually do limit their growth patterns. Your experience, while not exactly mimicking what we do indoors, is an interesting addendum. I wonder why yours bush out so vigorously?

Hey Hempire...

Glad to hear someone on this board has developed an attraction to Fruitbowl! I can't wait to smoke some after another 2 weeks of curing...in a sparkly clean bong. From what I experienced smoking 2 hits last night, I have to say it might be my favorite that I have grown so far, a tad more enjoyable than my previous favorite, northern lights. I started to diddle with my guitar (I'm just a beginner..) and noticed that the auditory sense seems to be enhanced with Fruitbowl...my guitar had a crisp clarity that rang with a special essence that I have never noticed before. Kinda wish I had clipped off enough for a 3rd hit!

Out of curiosity...how long did you let your Fruitbowl go before chopping? I chopped mine at 61 days...

 

[Guest]

Hi Hal

Yup, ruitbowl is super delcious, and petty potent too with a more heady effect, I like it a lot. It's 60% sativa, and the high shows that influence.

I took mine at 60 days, run many clones and they take 60 too, like clockwork. Any longer and they don't get anymore potent, just less of a heady effecy and a bit more stony. Very easy to grow, yields good, great strain imo.

Here's some more shots of Fruitbowls:

And some charas I made from her, very fruity piece of hash and very potent:

 

[Guest]

For comparison, here is an F1 El Nino x Fruitbowl lady, she is Fruitbowl dom but was a very nice smoke, nice and heady.

And here are the parents, El Nino male on the left, Fruitbowl lady on the right:

 

[Hal]

Hempire....

That you have grown, and still do, and have much to say about this strain is rather mind-blowing to me....and in a great way, too. I have done a lot of searching for information on this strain, e.g. grow/smoke reports, etc. and have not found very much at all. And now to find a source of information in the form of a regular visitor to this thread is fucking cool.

For instance, I was under the impression that it was an indica dominant hybrid, and was expecting a much more couchlocky effect. When I felt that energetic tingle in my brain, I was so pleasantly surprised. Now that you post that it is a sativa dominant strain, that tingle makes sense.

This Fruitbowl girl got accidently pollenated by a rogue hermaphrodite of the Nirvana's northern lights variety...I have found about 20 seeds. I can't wait to grow some of them out, just to see what I get. I have never, in my short growing history, generated any seeds, so this will be a first.

By any chance, have you grown and smoked another Sunshine Seeds variety called Haze Skunk? I think its mostly Western Winds from Sagamartha X Skunk #1 from Sensi Seeds. I am harvesting a couple of those in this general time frame, and also haven't been able to find much information about the strain.

 

[Guest]

Fruitbowl is an F5 of Purple Maui x Sweettooth #3, stabilised and suitable for outcrossing. 60% sativa, 40% indica. It's rather unknown but everyone who has grown it loves it. I have seen grows where hte guy got 400g out of a Fruitbowl plant in a cabinet in soil.

I have grown Hazeskunk a few times, find it rather finicky and very sensitive to nutes. It is Western Winds a Skunk #1 and tends to be Hazy, the Skunk pheno is less common. Takes 10-12 weeks and is a decent yielder. Smoke is good although nothing memorable. Its one of those strains that you need to grow a few times and get dialled in to unlock its potential. Same guy who had that monster fruitbowl also had some amazing Hazsekunks, but it took him a couple of runs to dial them in.