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100% male with feminized seeds?
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Hey Chilli, that's all I wanted. Just to explain stuff. I don't care if someone goes woke. So long as they understand that their "wife" is really their husband. Or their X to auto "male" is really a female with male modifiers in abundance.
Let's start the next row
XXY will show as male, both in genetic testing and in phenotype. A Y chromosome will silence two X chromosomes. So no feminised breeding with a male in the mix, and no confusion. Although common theory these days is triploid cannabis is sterile. So probably not a good candidate anyway.
Also I just want to burn the straw man down. I'm not calling anyone a liar, just wrong or confused.
Let's start the next row
XXY will show as male, both in genetic testing and in phenotype. A Y chromosome will silence two X chromosomes. So no feminised breeding with a male in the mix, and no confusion. Although common theory these days is triploid cannabis is sterile. So probably not a good candidate anyway.
Also I just want to burn the straw man down. I'm not calling anyone a liar, just wrong or confused.
I didn't mention a lot of things, I'm keeping my responses on track. If someone raises something else that's wrong, I'll address that too. But I'm not brining up stuff that's not relevant to the thread until it becomes relevant.
Yes, Y will silence one X that's how we have male plants. A Y will also silence 2 X's.
This is why all Hermies are female. This is why the DJ shorts this of using Hermie males, is bullshit, they don't exist.
Oh come on I'm in the mood, throw something else at me.
Yes, Y will silence one X that's how we have male plants. A Y will also silence 2 X's.
This is why all Hermies are female. This is why the DJ shorts this of using Hermie males, is bullshit, they don't exist.
Oh come on I'm in the mood, throw something else at me.
mudballs
Well-known member
"It’s a common but mistaken impression that X and Y chromosomes don’t pair and undergo crossing-over in meiosis like the autosomes do. The sex chromosomes have two pseudoautosomal regions in which the X and Y do pair up and recombine their genes. They’re called the PAR1 region with 24 genes and PAR2 with 4 genes. Genes in these regions are not inherited in strict sex-linked fashion. A female child can thus inherit a few genes from her father’s Y chromosome and can share genes with her brother through the Y. It also means a male can have some of his paternal grandmother’s genes on his Y chromosome. Deletion of the PAR1 region results in male sterility."
mudballs
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...or...i could just back out...go to my music thread, forget about expanding cannabis genetic abnormal behavior knowledge and do like you..yeah you didn't get a male from femminized seeds you're all lying, it can't physically happen, you have grown a regular male and are just confused about your life experiences
whereisbrianV.
Active member
"They identified over 10,500 differentially expressed genes, of which, around 200 are potentially responsible for male flower development on female plants"
More complicated than just x or y...
"Apart from that, the molecular mechanisms underlying dioecy are essentially unknown but, considering that this condition is fully reversible (e.g., through chemical products treatment), the hypothesis that those genic regions involved in both sexes development remain potentially functional throughout the entire life cycle cannot be excluded (Di Stilio et al., 2005; Khadka et al., 2019)."
Note the use of the term hypothesis, there are no absolutes with this subject. In time we will understand more fully but even with a fully mapped genome there will still be mystery.
More complicated than just x or y...
"Apart from that, the molecular mechanisms underlying dioecy are essentially unknown but, considering that this condition is fully reversible (e.g., through chemical products treatment), the hypothesis that those genic regions involved in both sexes development remain potentially functional throughout the entire life cycle cannot be excluded (Di Stilio et al., 2005; Khadka et al., 2019)."
Note the use of the term hypothesis, there are no absolutes with this subject. In time we will understand more fully but even with a fully mapped genome there will still be mystery.
Tynehead Tom
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I respect GMT for his contributions here. To assume that no one here wants to learn is a bit of a leap.GMT,
Teaching is self abusive and finding people that actually want to learn is rare!
In my experience and opinion many to most cannabis users only want a walk through knowledge of a couple key phrases. Once they've mastered this or that bullshit hyped cut, this is the real deal bullshit hyped blah blah and you can't be high without bringing up Terps!
Your sharing might sit dormant in a thread for years before some young gun gets curious enough to hear the truth.
Peace brother
farmerlion
That said..... I don't even know GMT personally or what education this internet user may or may not have.... so I can't assume his words are the be all end all of the discussion on this topic. That is no slight against him , it is just that if one confines themselves to the teachings or beliefs of one "teacher" ...... what have they really learned? A one dimensional education , that is what.
So carry on the discussion, just do it in laymans terms and don't bash on people who have a differing opinion or an experience that makes them question everything..... that is if "teaching" is really the goal here.
Tynehead Tom
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CharlesU Farley
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Something to keep in mind, there are an exceedingly large amount of people who just lurk and never post on this site. You're not just communicating to the three people you think are going to understand what you're trying to say, you're dealing with a _much_ larger audience.
You can never know the intelligence of the people who are reading your posts or the people who will actually understand what you're trying to say. So just say what you got to say and if they understand it, great and if they don't, oh well.
This is a very interesting discussion.
One that is totally alien to me, as I've only had one branch of one plant go hermie on me, the result a 3 day power outage and temps in the '30s. That's after 45+ years of developing cannabis and 24 of working with the same varietal.
CharlesU Farley
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mudballs
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Alien to me too...ive never looked into this
Im coming at this like what if i saw this...what if my most trusted and valued compatriot came up to me and said "dude, i just got a male from femminized seeds"...no, it's not an interesting topic...if ur the group not trying to figure it out...i guess it could be called interesting
Im coming at this like what if i saw this...what if my most trusted and valued compatriot came up to me and said "dude, i just got a male from femminized seeds"...no, it's not an interesting topic...if ur the group not trying to figure it out...i guess it could be called interesting
There are a few things to respond to here, I'll keep it brief and simple ish.
Mud, yes there is a small region where the X and the Y do undergo meiosis. Are you aware (and I'm not being condescending here, I just don't know if you know about this) that most new genes are first born in the Y chromosome?
This in practice, is genius of nature, as a single male can pollinate many females, therefore any single male in nature is disposable. The rest will make up for his absence. Hence if a new gene is particularly bad for survival in the environment that male finds itself in, no biggy, it just has far fewer offspring or outright does.
The par regions allow this/these new genes to be passed to the female to try out. Again, if they are bad for the females, the section of the population that possessed them, die or at least have fewer kids.
Once these genes are accepted, ie. the population containing them becomes the majority, after a long time, they tend to get passed down the line into another (non sex ) chromosome. This way you can get an idea of the age of the genes by their location within the genome. However while knowing and understanding this, I admit I'm at a complete loss as to what point you think that makes in your favour.
Jacobs syndrome is a human condition, try not to confuse animal biology with plant biology. It also isn't relevant to the discussion anyway, as having two Y chromosomes, still gives rise to males. If some of them were female, it may have been of interest, even if still irrelevant.
Whereisbrian, yes, thanks, I think most of us understand both sexes can be reversed using chemicals.
Tom, you are absolutely right, however hopefully those who do want to learn will use something I say, or a paper I reference, to look up the actual science, rather than the bro science. This will lead to learning. Those who can't be bothered, can simply pick a champion, and hope they did the reading, understood it, and relayed it accurately. Or they can spout their particular plant religion and hope to gain believers.
Mud, yes there is a small region where the X and the Y do undergo meiosis. Are you aware (and I'm not being condescending here, I just don't know if you know about this) that most new genes are first born in the Y chromosome?
This in practice, is genius of nature, as a single male can pollinate many females, therefore any single male in nature is disposable. The rest will make up for his absence. Hence if a new gene is particularly bad for survival in the environment that male finds itself in, no biggy, it just has far fewer offspring or outright does.
The par regions allow this/these new genes to be passed to the female to try out. Again, if they are bad for the females, the section of the population that possessed them, die or at least have fewer kids.
Once these genes are accepted, ie. the population containing them becomes the majority, after a long time, they tend to get passed down the line into another (non sex ) chromosome. This way you can get an idea of the age of the genes by their location within the genome. However while knowing and understanding this, I admit I'm at a complete loss as to what point you think that makes in your favour.
Jacobs syndrome is a human condition, try not to confuse animal biology with plant biology. It also isn't relevant to the discussion anyway, as having two Y chromosomes, still gives rise to males. If some of them were female, it may have been of interest, even if still irrelevant.
Whereisbrian, yes, thanks, I think most of us understand both sexes can be reversed using chemicals.
Tom, you are absolutely right, however hopefully those who do want to learn will use something I say, or a paper I reference, to look up the actual science, rather than the bro science. This will lead to learning. Those who can't be bothered, can simply pick a champion, and hope they did the reading, understood it, and relayed it accurately. Or they can spout their particular plant religion and hope to gain believers.
Perhaps you should read something about it before saying I'm full of shit on this topic?
THT,
I'm not bashing anyone... why are you offended by a simple truth regardless of who shines a light on it.
Pretending that everybody has an inate hunger to learn is foolish, pretending that they're offended because their only desire is to get high and couldn't care less about how it happens isn't offensive, it's simply a statement of my observations since 2007 when I started my studies.
Are you the woke offensive police? Determining what is offensive and being our judge? Being my judge? Why aren't the hundreds of hours of studied research articles all stickies?
Because most people just want to get high, know some terminology and catch phrases. That's not a bashing, that's they're preferred involvement. GMT was referring to teaching not the value of the community. My response was to my experience in teaching, not the value of the community or their personal interests.
Peace farmerlion
