You done a great job with them bro so thanks for doing us proudI've grown 3 lines from OJD and i can say there are no signs whatsoever of crosstalk in his projects...very impressive
I can't believe that after all the hours so many of us have spent explaining this, that there are still people who think you can get males from female only crosses. Not possible folks. Been over it a hundred times, so many threads, read some stuff, learn, if you have a box of ping pong balls, there aren't any tennis balls in there. Stop telling people you're finding tennis balls when you open a box that only has ping pong balls in it. Either it doesn't or you didn't. Whether you know it or not, you are not being honest.
We aren't talking gender here, woke folks fuck off, this is sex, biological sex, there are rules and your feelings don't change the rules.
oh oh ......."they “..good oneThey used to say Feminized seeds are 99.9% Female
I think [the awesome]Wesos/Huesos originally made it....big respectThis is how the famous strain Peyote Purple from Cannabiogen came about.
Hi.Hi, I am posting this message because I have just come across a real male with feminized seeds by surprise and I would like to know if it is viable to be used to make seeds, what would happen? Will I have regular seeds or will they be feminized? Because two females give exclusively female offspring but the 1% chance of having a male remains very rare... and is it special? I have trouble understanding how with female chromosomes I can have a male, is it a pure male? It’s such a shame, I’m giving all my hope to this plant, it’s magnificent and growing super fast, I really wanted to keep it for its spectacular growth.
(it's a real male and not a hermaphrodite, no pistil, only male organs for pre-flowers)
Yeah I get that, and to be fair paradise seeds dont do regs and are professional enough to use HEPA filters on their intake so I guess there is a possibility to produce malesI only make 1 project in each property and don't run Male projects at same time as Regular projects so mine there was zero possibility of being stray pollen
Excuse for not reading the whole thread before posting.I've had several Males from growing Feminized seeds last 15 years.
Like people say maybe a hermie if tested on paper but zero pistils at all when fully flowered and made Regular seeds when pollinated other clones that turned out very good seeds.
They used to say Feminized seeds are 99.9% Female
You will get male pollen which will get you reg seedsHi, I am posting this message because I have just come across a real male with feminized seeds by surprise and I would like to know if it is viable to be used to make seeds, what would happen? Will I have regular seeds or will they be feminized? Because two females give exclusively female offspring but the 1% chance of having a male remains very rare... and is it special? I have trouble understanding how with female chromosomes I can have a male, is it a pure male? It’s such a shame, I’m giving all my hope to this plant, it’s magnificent and growing super fast, I really wanted to keep it for its spectacular growth.
(it's a real male and not a hermaphrodite, no pistil, only male organs for pre-flowers)
Oh dear what a mess.
It seems that telling people the truth, when they believe in myths, will never be something you get thanked for. We have gone over these topics time and again, and my posts in this thread alone, should have been enough for anyone to look these facts up themselves.
Still, I'll try a couple of thought experiments.
1. Do you go to people whose cat is pregnant, and ask them " if she has any puppies, I'll take one". That's because puppies don't come from cats. Cats don't have dog DNA. Yes dogs evolved, but not from cats, and not in one leap. Such a thing would be considered silly, yet females don't have male DNA. Why is it then, people think you can get males from female only DNA?
Tom and I used to refer to the "maleness" qualities of some X to autosome plants. That's to distinguish them from actual males. You see as I said, the s.e.asian lines have no true males in them, they have modified (to varying degrees) females. When these genes get recombined, all sorts of phenotypical expressions can be witnessed. Including the pollen producers. Now if you are woke and call these things males, then you are wrong, they aren't, they are females with sufficient male modifiers to produce pollen. These can be obtained from female only crosses containing a heavy amount of s.e. Asian genes.
Active Y lines have no way of even doing that.
Now ploidy levels. While there are rumoured to be people working on producing triploid cannabis, so you can't breed it at home, in hemp, they realised that growing tetraploid lines produced more fibre, and so that practice caught on some time ago. This leaves studies on sexual expression of hemp, non comparable with those of diploid cannabis.
I just want to point out that this isn't a pissing match. It's not about experience or position in the industry, it's about scientific truth. Bare that in mind when trying to pick a champion to route for here, I'm not picking a fight with people, I'm pointing out that some ideas are wrong, and need replacing.
That is not the case , some people don't have room to run Regular seeds that's why they are very popular .Excuse for not reading the whole thread before posting.
I have been looking years ago if someone used one of those scarce "males" that appear from feminized seeds to make more seeds and see later how is the sex expression in the oncoming offspring.
I realize too @WHIPEDMEAT posted the Ivan Bocsa interview.
I really dislike the feminized seed thing. It deprives people and even the plant itself the possibility to make more seeds (of course unless you are willing to clone one and spray with a STS solution, which is not my case, or dealing with intersexed plants). From my piont of view fem seeds, specially added to autoflowering trait is only a development of the industry to avoid people making their own seeds by themselves and make much more profit. I think it is only one more addition and one step more after the F1 seed market.
This is actually the we... dream of many (luckily not all) seed companies (and of course not only Cannabis):
Genetic use restriction technology - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
So we need knowledge to overcome them.
I have been looking years ago if someone used one of those scarce "males" that appear from feminized seeds to make more seeds and see later how is the sex expression in the oncoming offspring.
So back to the no Males from Feminized seeds , these extremely rare Males found in Feminized seed ( only my Males , i can't talk for others) show not 1 pistil and produce Male/Female seeds.
When making seeds with a hermaphrodite the resulting seeds are always Feminized ? , so how can these show Regular seeds ? , I'm asking as I don't know the science , also science there is always new breakthroughs and updated data , maybe we not learned the reason this happens yet ?
All I know Is there were Males found myself from my own seeds , after growing 1000's normal Feminized phenos and this extremely rare Male shows up, and offspring produced Regular Male/Female seeds.
I can guarantee you contact any legitimate and truth telling large company who been making Feminized seeds for years and who has grown 1000's of his/her seeds over the years they will find very rare what appears to be a Male ( zero pistils at all)
Really? What did I say to give you the impression that your plant should be a Hermie?.
So while I get the message guys like GMT are trying to lay down...... I don't believe that there are absolutes the way they are being presented. I have also read from peer reviewed sources that such males "are" possible in Cannabis so there are two sides to this argument and not enough real science or growing has been done to actually provide us with a definite answer.
Regardless..... it doesn't matter what I think I know or don't know.... the plants tell the story and this OGKB 2.0/Scoutbreath/Cookieboi line "should" be throwing intersex if what GMT claims is 100% true. The fact that it won't , even though I have put the line thru hell stress testing..... is why I chose to work and preserve it.